Jindal

[kapeman]

Am I the only one who was startled by how poor a speaker he is? I had never heard him before- and man, if he is the republicans great new hope....they really are in serious trouble ( not that that bothers me)

[pokerchick66]

Well, it was obvious he was using a teleprompter and it did come across as stilted. He started off a little shaky, I thought, but finished up okay. He is a much better politician and speaker than that.

[Belle]

President Obama would be tough to follow for most everyone.

But this introduction is too funny

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/msnbc-cuts-to-jindal-with_n_169697.html

I hear that he is quite bright but it didn't show last night. Regurgitation without any ideas.

[pokerchick66]

President Obama would be tough to follow for most everyone.

But this introduction is too funny

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/msnbc-cuts-to-jindal-with_n_169697.html

I hear that he is quite bright but it didn't show last night. Regurgitation without any ideas.

Yea, saw that clip on Drudge and I expect nothing less from Chrissy Matthews and crew. ;)

And you're right . . .Jindal is very bright.

[Belle]

My 13 year old daughter said he was speaking like an elementary school teacher to his class. Seems he wasn't comfortable period...like he didn't write it.

[Lostcajun]

I think he was totally out of his element. I think his speech was written/ programmed by the RNC and he wasn't allowed to be himself. Every time I've seen him he's actually quite funny, animated and easy going. Not last night. Most of these speeches from either party are extremely canned and dull. The parties out to pick people and let them be themselves rather than robots.

[pokerchick66]

I think he was totally out of his element. I think his speech was written/ programmed by the RNC and he wasn't allowed to be himself. Every time I've seen him he's actually quite funny, animated and easy going. Not last night. Most of these speeches from either party are extremely canned and dull. The parties out to pick people and let them be themselves rather than robots.

Totally agree.

[rosetree]

I think he was totally out of his element. I think his speech was written/ programmed by the RNC and he wasn't allowed to be himself. Every time I've seen him he's actually quite funny, animated and easy going. Not last night. Most of these speeches from either party are extremely canned and dull. The parties out to pick people and let them be themselves rather than robots.

Agree also....If you saw him during the last hurricane season, he was intelligent, matter of fact, reassuring....all things that his predecessor was not. He is always the smartest kid in the room, sometimes even too smart.
I hope that the RNC doesn't f him up before he can do good work here!

[chrisjoseph]

The Republicans are hoping that he can be the cream of their crop....but the Republicans only know one way of winning: to tear down the other guy. It worked for Bush, because he ran against weak candidates. It didn't work for McCain, because after 8 years of Bush disasters, the Republicans lost credibility and their attempted tearing apart of Obama didn't work. I don't know much about Jindal, but for him to success in that Party, he'll have to drink the Kool-Aid.

[PaulC]

Am I the only one who was startled by how poor a speaker he is? I had never heard him before- and man, if he is the republicans great new hope....they really are in serious trouble ( not that that bothers me)

let's jus' say,.. as in jus' sayin',.. that if you google but two words together,.. "jindal" and "creepy",.. you get 15,800 hits....

15,801 now i guess...

reverse the two words and it's 21,400 hits....

jus' sayin'................

his performance was terrible,.. his message stale,.. as are almost all the tired tunes played by his national party of "nopes",.. dopes,.. whateva'..... why in the world would jindal go on about taxes when the recent election already settled that issue for now,.. and obama had just announced last night,.. very clearly,.. that only the very wealthiest are in line to see increases...

by the way,.. many republican govs are absolutely thrilled to get the money from the stimulus package,.. every last cent of it..... our florida republican gov. crist asked our repub. state congressman to vote for the bill,.. they didn't,.. but ya' think they won't accept the money for their districts??...

sad state of affairs for the national repub party.... that party is ova' and done for now......

long past time to start repairin' the many ills of the bush/cheney mess... if the repubs aren't goin' to pitch in and help,.. then hopefully they will be smart enough to at least get out of the way... the time to act train is leavin' the station with or without them.......

[pokerchick66]

The Republicans are hoping that he can be the cream of their crop....but the Republicans only know one way of winning: to tear down the other guy. It worked for Bush, because he ran against weak candidates. It didn't work for McCain, because after 8 years of Bush disasters, the Republicans lost credibility and their attempted tearing apart of Obama didn't work. I don't know much about Jindal, but for him to success in that Party, he'll have to drink the Kool-Aid.

Oh, come on, both parties do it! Neither is blameless. In fact, I've never seen so much tearing down the other guy and president bashing as I have with the Democrats.

[pokerchick66]

let's jus' say,.. as in jus' sayin',.. that if you google but two words together,.. "jindal" and "creepy",.. you get 15,800 hits....

15,801 now i guess...

reverse the two words and it's 21,400 hits....

jus' sayin'................


Hey Paul, if you google "Jindal" and "bright", you get 116,000 hits. Furthermore, if you google "Obama" and "inexperienced", you get a whopping 852,000. Jus' sayin'. ;)

long past time to start repairin' the many ills of the bush/cheney mess... if the repubs aren't goin' to pitch in and help,.. then hopefully they will be smart enough to at least get out of the way...

The Republicans tried to pitch in and help, but the bipartisan Democrats totally excluded the Republicans on the "stimulus" bill. Damascas Rose gets all the credit for that; she wrote it that porkulus spending bill all by herself. Of course, Harry got his choo choo. After all, they "won", right? Gotta love that bipartisanship.

[Frosty]

Oh, come on, both parties do it! Neither is blameless. In fact, I've never seen so much tearing down the other guy and president bashing as I have with the Democrats.

We do quickly forget the "not my President" that began the day Bush took office. I'll fully support any President until they demonstrate they are bad for the people of the country. I was a big backer of Obama but we can't forget the reason Democrats fell out of favor in the first place. Now, it is the Republicans out of favor. Which will be the first to clean house and rise above the party shit that most of America is sick of. People who put party first are un-American.

[Orleansnj]

Jindal was clearly uncomfortable. I have seen him speak on tv several times when in New Orleans and while I do not agree with many of his social positions - i do think the man is very intelligent and comfortable speaking his mind.

I think that the others who have written earlier may very well be correct: this was scripted for him. He was not his speech rhythm or content based upon what I have seen in the past....but he did what was expected of him.

[PaulC]

Oh, come on, both parties do it! Neither is blameless. In fact, I've never seen so much tearing down the other guy and president bashing as I have with the Democrats.

please,.. dirty games and non stop attacks were perfected by atwater and rove....

were you sleepin' during the whole of the clinton years as the right wing could barely contain their glee as they played their non stop witch hunt/inquisition games?...

rush,.. the criminal hypocrite druggie,.. attacked each and every day for eight long years... newt, livingstone, and the rest of the sexual pervert, neo con hypocrites attacked for "crimes" they too had hidden away in their shameful closets....

when you're not doin' your right wing cheerleadin',.. you're a joy to read and be around pokie,.. but your understandin' of politics is rather questionable.....

that sadly said,.. i'll still hug ya' tight if and when i get the chance...

[PaulC]

Hey Paul, if you google "Jindal" and "bright", you get 116,000 hits. Furthermore, if you google "Obama" and "inexperienced", you get a whopping 852,000. Jus' sayin'. ;)

The Republicans tried to pitch in and help, but the bipartisan Democrats totally excluded the Republicans on the "stimulus" bill. Damascas Rose gets all the credit for that; she wrote it that porkulus spending bill all by herself. Of course, Harry got his choo choo. After all, they "won", right? Gotta love that bipartisanship.

as for your google comments,..

now that we have all "experienced" jindal turn at playin' a very creepy version of mr. rogers,.. spinnin' fairy tales,.. that will change........

The repubs have become the party of "nopes" and "dopes",.. offerin' nothing but more tired attempts at institutin' their false promises of trickle down nonsense.......

bush ran as the great uniter,.. and after losin' the popular vote,.. and stealin' florida,.. he set about settin' a record for vacation days in his 1st seven months as written warnings that aq had plans to use commercial aircraft as weapons sat untended to on his desk... that dude set plenty of records while in office,.. non worth repeatin' by anybody in the future,.. as the only unitin' he did was turn the world against us....

[PaulC]

We do quickly forget the "not my President" that began the day Bush took office. I'll fully support any President until they demonstrate they are bad for the people of the country. I was a big backer of Obama but we can't forget the reason Democrats fell out of favor in the first place. Now, it is the Republicans out of favor. Which will be the first to clean house and rise above the party shit that most of America is sick of. People who put party first are un-American.

that's because he literally "took" office,.. and plenty of dems were flat out tired of eight long years of republican attacks against the clintons.... dem forces have never, ever come anywhere near approachin' the non stop nastiness of right wing radio land....

if junior hadn't a gone immediately all cocky and john wayne "i'm the decider" on us,.. even after losing the popular vote,.. and if he had maybe made the first attempt to keep his promise to unite he may have done just fine...

he didn't,... and he didn't.............:(

[duende]

Jindal's speech seemed awkward to me out here on the West Coast, as well, and a little brusque. Most people I talk to about politics, and it's a small group, are still reeling from the weird interplay between the president's election (requiring a huge upsurge in what we would've characterized earlier as liberal Democrat voting) and the ultimate defeat of Prop 8 (where that same group of minority, disenfranchised, voters showed a suprising conservative morality streak). The old politico roles have been blurred a bit and nobody seems to be comfortable standing on any issue other than economics at present. Which is a very long-winded way to say how funny I thought the Uncle Sam guy on the Mardi Gras Bourbo-cam was yesterday with his "Of course it hurts - we got screwed by an elephant!" sign.

[CEfromLA]

Was it just me or did anyone else think he sounded EXACTLY like Kenneth, the NBC page on 30 Rock?

YouTube it and listen with that in mind. It's spot on!

[Frosty]

that's because he literally "took" office,.. and plenty of dems were flat out tired of eight long years of republican attacks against the clintons.... dem forces have never, ever come anywhere near approachin' the non stop nastiness of right wing radio land....

if junior hadn't a gone immediately all cocky and john wayne "i'm the decider" on us,.. even after losing the popular vote,.. and if he had maybe made the first attempt to keep his promise to unite he may have done just fine...

he didn't,... and he didn't.............:(

As quickly as we point out right wing radio, let us not forget Bobby Rush saying we should seat a corrupt Roland Burris in the Senate so as not to "lynch" him. I'm happy as Hell to see Obama in office but I'm not going for this idea that one of Illinois' Senate seats now appears to have a sign saying "blacks only".

I'm not too thrilled with the stimulus bill either, just as I wasn't with the one put forth under Bush.

[pokerchick66]

when you're not doin' your right wing cheerleadin',.. you're a joy to read and be around pokie,.. but your understandin' of politics is rather questionable.....

that sadly said,.. i'll still hug ya' tight if and when i get the chance...

lol, my understanding of politics is just fine. You just disagree with them; we see things differently. That's okay; I disagree with yours, too. I also find when some Democrats get called on their game, they tend to resort to personal attacks when they can't win the argument. I always try to disagree without getting personal but when they do, I will respond in kind. That said, you're a joy to be around as well and I will ALWAYS hug you when I see you.


were you sleepin' during the whole of the clinton years as the right wing could barely contain their glee as they played their non stop witch hunt/inquisition games?...

Were you sleepin' during the McCain campaign when the left wing and the left wing media could barely contain their venom as they played their nonstop witch hunt/inqusiotion games and slanderous lies against Sarah Palin?

please,.. dirty games and non stop attacks were perfected by atwater and rove....

rush,.. the criminal hypocrite druggie,.. attacked each and every day for eight long years... newt, livingstone, and the rest of the sexual pervert, neo con hypocrites attacked for "crimes" they too had hidden away in their shameful closets....

If you're gonna get started on the Rove, Atwater, Rush line of attack, don't forget to include psychotic Keith Olbermann, Al Franken, Captain Kook George Soros and his kook fringe organization Moveon.org, not to mention DailyKos, HuffPo, slate.com, salon.com, counterpunch, mediamatters and smirkingchimp. There's also Dingy Harry, Pelosi, Barney Franks, and John Kerry and that's just off the top of my head.

And if you wanna talk about hypocrites, there's Cold Cash Jefferson, Barney Franks (admitted to having paid Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution), Gary Condit, Eliot Spitzer (who can forget him?), Gerry Studs (Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page), Marion Barry, Sandy Berger, and the whole DNC in 1996 for fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. Yes, the Democratic Party is so pristine and snowy white.

There's hypocrisy, dirty tricks and non-stop attacks in both parties. Let's get off our high horse about one party being better than the other.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

We do quickly forget the "not my President" that began the day Bush took office. I'll fully support any President until they demonstrate they are bad for the people of the country. I was a big backer of Obama but we can't forget the reason Democrats fell out of favor in the first place. Now, it is the Republicans out of favor. Which will be the first to clean house and rise above the party shit that most of America is sick of. People who put party first are un-American.

I knew there was a good reason that I like you. ;)

Thanks for saying that out loud (or in print, as the case may be).

[Lostcajun]

The Republicans are hoping that he can be the cream of their crop....but the Republicans only know one way of winning: to tear down the other guy. It worked for Bush, because he ran against weak candidates. It didn't work for McCain, because after 8 years of Bush disasters, the Republicans lost credibility and their attempted tearing apart of Obama didn't work. I don't know much about Jindal, but for him to success in that Party, he'll have to drink the Kool-Aid.

I think it would be fair to say that both parties enthusiastically practice the art of personal destruction rather equally.

Clinton (Mr. & Mrs) are brutal politicians as are most of those (both parties) who ran this time around.

My hope for Jindal is that he will be himself and be honest about who he is and resist party bs. I feel the same about Obama. I know this is unrealistic, but hey, I'm not going to stop being an idealist.

[sophisticated sissy]

Uh, is it still Oct.31, 2008, or is my watch just running fast?

[Lostcajun]

You are SO right sissy!!!!!!!!!!! I can hear the Jazzfest music in my heart right about now...and I CAN wait for the next election cycle. Politicians tend to make everyone angry....

[Frosty]

I knew there was a good reason that I like you. ;)

Thanks for saying that out loud (or in print, as the case may be).

Even a monkey can type a novel if he sits at the keyboard long enough.

[pokerchick66]

Even a monkey can type a novel if he sits at the keyboard long enough.

I liked your post, too. :)

[Orleansnj]

here is a local perspective on Governor Jindal's response last evening - from Clancy DuBos - writing for Gambit

http://bestofneworleans.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A51254#comments

[Lostcajun]

As quickly as we point out right wing radio, let us not forget Bobby Rush saying we should seat a corrupt Roland Burris in the Senate so as not to "lynch" him. I'm happy as Hell to see Obama in office but I'm not going for this idea that one of Illinois' Senate seats now appears to have a sign saying "blacks only".

I'm not too thrilled with the stimulus bill either, just as I wasn't with the one put forth under Bush.

Yes, it seems a lot of these "leaders" say one thing (according to their party) and then kinda just do the same thing, patting each other on the backs when they are out of camera shot.

Gotta say, Obama's speech was very well written and well delivered.

[Belle]

My hope for Jindal is that he will be himself and be honest about who he is and resist party bs.


Seems he flunked that one last night.

He shudda told them to back off of the party line. The umbrella of the GOP is not big enough even for this independent. Seems Jindal lacks backbone cause they just lowered the standard with that speech. If the Repugs continue to be the party of no, embracing the way right...I don't think they will get anywhere real soon.

And for Palin knocking...she and they got what was deserved and dished out.;)

[Jim]

Jindal is a right wing nut. Do a google search and check out his account of participating in an exorcism. Makes my head spin.

[McGregor]

the left wing media could barely contain their venom as they played their nonstop witch hunt/inqusiotion games and slanderous lies against Sarah Palin?

When you make as many bone headed statements as she did, it's not a witch hunt. It's target practice.

[pokerchick66]

When you make as many bone headed statements as she did, it's not a witch hunt. It's target practice.

They were attacking her before she made any of her boneheaded statements because they perceived her a threat. The polls rocketed McCain ahead of Obama because of her. Within two days of her opening speech they were viciously spreading lies about her family that turned out to be not true.

And speaking of boneheaded statements, at least she knew how many states America has and she didn't see dead people on Memorial Day.

[almarco]

They were attacking her before she made any of her boneheaded statements because they perceived her a threat. The polls rocketed McCain ahead of Obama because of her. Within two days of her opening speech they were viciously spreading lies about her family that turned out to be not true.

And speaking of boneheaded statements, at least she knew how many states America has and she didn't see dead people on Memorial Day.

I see dead people ...all the time , said the morgue attendant.

[sophisticated sissy]

Jindal is a right wing nut. Do a google search and check out his account of participating in an exorcism. Makes my head spin.

He is within his rights to practice and participate in whatever religious rites he finds rewarding, IMO. However, I do have trouble with his regurgitation of outright lies:


It's important to note that Jindal repeated two fairly common Republican lies about the stimulus package. Here's the relevant portion:

[The stimulus includes] $8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a magnetic levitation line from Las Vegas to Disneyland, and $140 million for something called "volcano monitoring".


The truth is that the stimulus bill does not allocate any high speed rail money for specific projects. In fact, any stimulus money for high speed rail would be allocated by Obama transportation secretary Ray Lahood—a Republican.


Mr. Jindal lost a few credibility points with me right there. Of course, he is the person who just tried to tell the nation that the problem with the government's response to Hurricane Katrina was that bureaucrats demanded that people have proof of insurance and registration. As we know, it wasn't.

[McGregor]

They were attacking her before she made any of her boneheaded statements because they perceived her a threat. The polls rocketed McCain ahead of Obama because of her. Within two days of her opening speech they were viciously spreading lies about her family that turned out to be not true.


Nothing would make me happier than to see her on the ticket again, believe me.

[sophisticated sissy]

What does palin have to do with a discussion about Gov. Jindal's speech?

[McGregor]

What does palin have to do with a discussion about Gov. Jindal's speech?

Jindal/Palin in '12

:p

[Frosty]

He is within his rights to practice and participate in whatever religious rites he finds rewarding, IMO. However, I do have trouble with his regurgitation of outright lies:


It's important to note that Jindal repeated two fairly common Republican lies about the stimulus package. Here's the relevant portion:

[The stimulus includes] $8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a magnetic levitation line from Las Vegas to Disneyland, and $140 million for something called "volcano monitoring".


The truth is that the stimulus bill does not allocate any high speed rail money for specific projects. In fact, any stimulus money for high speed rail would be allocated by Obama transportation secretary Ray Lahood—a Republican.


Mr. Jindal lost a few credibility points with me right there. Of course, he is the person who just tried to tell the nation that the problem with the government's response to Hurricane Katrina was that bureaucrats demanded that people have proof of insurance and registration. As we know, it wasn't.

Kinda like the Dem's lies to kill Bush's plan to turn Social Security into an account based program where people would keep their own money in a retirement account. The Dems won and we still pay money into a program which has zero obligation to pay us a single penny. Yet, we kept hearing lies about gambling with our money. So, the market sucks now and $1,000 invested in Bush's program would now be worth $500 dollars instead of the $0 the current plan is obligated to pay us.

[Jim]

He is within his rights to practice and participate in whatever religious rites he finds rewarding, IMO. However, I do have trouble with his regurgitation of outright lies:


It's important to note that Jindal repeated two fairly common Republican lies about the stimulus package. Here's the relevant portion:

[The stimulus includes] $8 billion for high-speed rail projects, such as a magnetic levitation line from Las Vegas to Disneyland, and $140 million for something called "volcano monitoring".


The truth is that the stimulus bill does not allocate any high speed rail money for specific projects. In fact, any stimulus money for high speed rail would be allocated by Obama transportation secretary Ray Lahood—a Republican.


Mr. Jindal lost a few credibility points with me right there. Of course, he is the person who just tried to tell the nation that the problem with the government's response to Hurricane Katrina was that bureaucrats demanded that people have proof of insurance and registration. As we know, it wasn't.

I agree that it's his right to practice any religious rites he so chooses-I'm just practicing my right to say it's wacky. And I really don't want anyone representing me in any government position who actually believes in the practice of exorcism.

[sophisticated sissy]

Jindal/Palin in '12

:p


Good luck with that. :)

If everyone was at Mardi Gras, when did people actually have time to listen to either speech?:confused:

[sophisticated sissy]

So, the market sucks now and $1,000 invested in Bush's program would now be worth $500 dollars instead of the $0 the current plan is obligated to pay us.


I don't think so, sweetie.
Where do you think that money would have ended up being invested if the Bush program had succeeded? I'm glad that at least he didn't get his finger in that pie. Any time you hear a Republican talking about "reaching across the aisle" (oh, how long has it been since we've heard that expression?), you better keep your hands on your wallet! :D

[pokerchick66]

And for Palin knocking...she and they got what was deserved and dished out.;)


I disagree. No one deserves to have their family slandered and lied about and that goes for Obama's family, too. Even Obama spoke out against this. Also there were lots of other lies and vicious rumors spread about her as well that even Factcheck.org debunked:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

[pokerchick66]

Good luck with that. :)

If everyone was at Mardi Gras, when did people actually have time to listen to either speech?:confused:

I don't know about the others, but I watched this morning on the internet. :)

[Frosty]

I liked your post, too. :)

It's not often two women tell me that in the same day.

[Frosty]

I don't think so, sweetie.
Where do you think that money would have ended up being invested if the Bush program had succeeded? I'm glad that at least he didn't get his finger in that pie. Any time you hear a Republican talking about "reaching across the aisle" (oh, how long has it been since we've heard that expression?), you better keep your hands on your wallet! :D

Under Social Security there is NOTHING in your wallet. Nor is there an account that has any obligation to you. Where would that money have been invested? Where you chose to invest it. Cash, bonds, stocks. It would be YOUR money with an obilgation to pay you it's current market value when you reached retirment age. Like I say 50% ROI beats 0% ROI. And that is in the worst economy in 75 years. The Dems spread incredible lies about the program. Just as the Republicans spread lies about Socialism and taxes when they significantly increase the deficit. It's the people that lose out.

[Jim]

Under Social Security there is NOTHING in your wallet. Nor is there an account that has any obligation to you. Where would that money have been invested? Where you chose to invest it. Cash, bonds, stocks. It would be YOUR money with an obilgation to pay you it's current market value when you reached retirment age. Like I say 50% ROI beats 0% ROI. And that is in the worst economy in 75 years. The Dems spread incredible lies about the program. Just as the Republicans spread lies about Socialism and taxes when they significantly increase the deficit. It's the people that lose out.

Show me one person who hasn't collected their Social Security in the last fifty years. Social Security has been putting money in people's wallets for years.

[sophisticated sissy]

The election was almost 4 months ago.

I don't understand the need to rehash this when we have more important things on the agenda, nor do I understand the need to defend palin's treatment. She brought everything on herself.

How can you expect questions not to be asked about your family when they are paraded in front of every major news outlet's cameras at an event such as the RNC? Were they mere props? (BTW, those are rhetorical questions.)

If any laws were broken in the way she was treated, I'm certain she would have filed a lawsuit by now.

[sophisticated sissy]

Show me one person who hasn't collected their Social Security in the last fifty years. Social Security has been putting money in people's wallets for years.

That's right, Jim! :)

[Frosty]

Show me one person who hasn't collected their Social Security in the last fifty years. Social Security has been putting money in people's wallets for years.

Sure, they collect. Less than they put in, and only because it is paid for by their children. The power to tax is a powerful one. Show me one person who has an ROI of greater than 0% in the past 50 years. Show me one person who has not collected on their 401K for the last 50 years. Oh, when they die, since that money is theirs, it goes to their estate. Social Security? One is a tax on your children to pay you, the other simply holds your money and gives it to you at retirement. If there is any question on the value of the two programs, simply look at their treatment on a balance sheet. Only one is an asset for the worker. Only one is a liability for the account manager.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

And as a self-employed person who gets to pay BOTH halves of my SS, I'm real happy about a potential 0% ROI.


Not!

[Fred (Texas JF Fanatic)]

Enjoy Live Music!

[i wanna be in NOLA]

That, I do, Fred!

[Fred (Texas JF Fanatic)]

And I quote you quoting Sonny.............

The Delta moon is a lantern over you
Like a porch light hung in forever - Sonny Landreth

:)

[Belle]

I disagree. No one deserves to have their family slandered and lied about and that goes for Obama's family, too. Even Obama spoke out against this. Also there were lots of other lies and vicious rumors spread about her as well that even Factcheck.org debunked:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

I was an elected official and understand the scrutiny and all the skeletons that surface. Being a woman is especially tough and she was not tough no matter the sound bites.

She was and is naive as to what it takes on the National level, did not process the skills needed for the job...period. Bad choice from day one and a desperate one at that.

Palin is yesterdays news and will continue to be so until she grows up, understands the issues and quits wining about the double standard.

The day she was picked is when I knew I had no ties to the GOP period. I still voted for one Republican in November because he tells the truth, owns up when wrong and never pretends to know it all. She didn't, can't and will not.

[Lit]

I was an elected official and understand the scrutiny and all the skeletons that surface. Being a woman is especially tough and she was not tough no matter the sound bites.

She was and is naive as to what it takes on the National level, did not process the skills needed for the job...period. Bad choice from day one and a desperate one at that.

Palin is yesterdays news and will continue to be so until she grows up, understands the issues and quits wining about the double standard.

The day she was picked is when I knew I had no ties to the GOP period. I still voted for one Republican in November because he tells the truth, owns up when wrong and never pretends to know it all. She didn't, can't and will not.

Yeah, but did you ever shoot and gut a moose?

[i wanna be in NOLA]

And I quote you quoting Sonny.............

The Delta moon is a lantern over you
Like a porch light hung in forever - Sonny Landreth

:)

True. I wish I got to sleep under it's glow more often than I do. But in the meantime, I'm an equal opportunity two-party system basher. You'll never see me take a political side publicly (and I agree that this forum isn't the best place for political discussions), but seeing someone bash the two-party system is music to my ears.

Oh, and speaking of live music, I finally get to see Joe Bonamassa live next weekend.

Sorry for the digression, but this thread has already jumped from Jindal to Palin to Rush to Barney to SS in 6 pages. I figure one more ainna gonna hurt anything.

[csoul]

lol, my understanding of politics is just fine. You just disagree with them; we see things differently. That's okay; I disagree with yours, too. I also find when some Democrats get called on their game, they tend to resort to personal attacks when they can't win the argument. I always try to disagree without getting personal but when they do, I will respond in kind. That said, you're a joy to be around as well and I will ALWAYS hug you when I see you.




Were you sleepin' during the McCain campaign when the left wing and the left wing media could barely contain their venom as they played their nonstop witch hunt/inqusiotion games and slanderous lies against Sarah Palin?



If you're gonna get started on the Rove, Atwater, Rush line of attack, don't forget to include psychotic Keith Olbermann, Al Franken, Captain Kook George Soros and his kook fringe organization Moveon.org, not to mention DailyKos, HuffPo, slate.com, salon.com, counterpunch, mediamatters and smirkingchimp. There's also Dingy Harry, Pelosi, Barney Franks, and John Kerry and that's just off the top of my head.

And if you wanna talk about hypocrites, there's Cold Cash Jefferson, Barney Franks (admitted to having paid Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution), Gary Condit, Eliot Spitzer (who can forget him?), Gerry Studs (Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page), Marion Barry, Sandy Berger, and the whole DNC in 1996 for fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. Yes, the Democratic Party is so pristine and snowy white.

There's hypocrisy, dirty tricks and non-stop attacks in both parties. Let's get off our high horse about one party being better than the other.


OMG, PC!
I vehemently disagree with your politics, but I love you more 'n my luggage!
Love the way you stand your ground and give it right back!
Can't wait to see ya' in May!

[pokerchick66]

OMG, PC!
I vehemently disagree with your politics, but I love you more 'n my luggage!
Love the way you stand your ground and give it right back!
Can't wait to see ya' in May!

lol, thank you. Can't wait to see you either, baby. :D

[jerseygirl67]

evening. I generally try not to type in these...but here goes...just some ramblings.

So, I thought the Germans invented the automobile and Ford the assembly line? Am I wrong? Just askin'.

And Jindal sounded stilted. BUT, of course, Obama is an amazing speaker, and had a live audience. He's a tough act to follow. but from what I've read about Jindal, he has been doing some good things. Is this true Nola-ites?

regardless of what party is in power, ultimately, it is about control. yes, I am cynical and do not think that EITHER party truly gives a rat's a$$ about the average person.

And, dangit, I like my capitalist society! If I wanted socialism (or socialism-lite), I'd move to another country. If you can't afford college, then WORK, take out loans, save, start at community college (I did). And no, I don't want to pay into healthcare and the school systems for illegal immigrants, I think English should be the national language, I think that regardless of who commits a crime (white collar, big business, celebrities) should pay for it...no get out of jail free cards. I believe in a woman's right to choose, the right to bear arms (even though I hate guns), and a flat tax across the board. The $250K threshold for the new taxation that our new Pres has proposed is going to hurt alot of small businesses who are just covering their expenses. Yes, they technically make that much (maybe a little more), but when all is said and done, they are not rich, don't have fancy houses and cars and are struggling also.

Whew. Sorry for the rant. I respect everyone's right to their opinion (and will be happy to have a drink with ANYONE and EVERYONE on this bored). that is what is one the great things about this country...the right to have and to express them.

[DougNSharon]

Not to add more heat on this thread, but did anyone else feel a little uneasy about da guv's take on Thing '05?

Seems like he was saying you can't trust the feds to get the big stuff right, so instead we should count on......

The people?

Don't we need the people's collective interest organized through the federal government to do stuff like protect/repair the wetlands, rebuild the levees, phase out Mr. Go, etc.?

Personally, I wish we could do it all through Social Aid and Pleasure Clubs, but that's just me :) Not holding my breath!

[mangoon]

please,.. dirty games and non stop attacks were perfected by atwater and rove....

were you sleepin' during the whole of the clinton years as the right wing could barely contain their glee as they played their non stop witch hunt/inquisition games?...

rush,.. the criminal hypocrite druggie,.. attacked each and every day for eight long years... newt, livingstone, and the rest of the sexual pervert, neo con hypocrites attacked for "crimes" they too had hidden away in their shameful closets....

when you're not doin' your right wing cheerleadin',.. you're a joy to read and be around pokie,.. but your understandin' of politics is rather questionable.....

that sadly said,.. i'll still hug ya' tight if and when i get the chance...


You are 100% right about that righty bastard Rush. Im going to go home and put on some Kieth Olbermann, Tim Russert, Chris Matthews, Alan Colmes, or some Bill Maher so I can get some fair and unbiased non political party leaning or bashing talk. ;)

[jerseygirl67]

OMG, PC!
I vehemently disagree with your politics, but I love you more 'n my luggage!
Love the way you stand your ground and give it right back!
Can't wait to see ya' in May!

I love this line: but I love you more 'n my luggage!

I just saw that movie the other day!!!!

[csoul]

I love this line: but I love you more 'n my luggage!

I just saw that movie the other day!!!!

classic quote from a classic movie. One of my favorite flix and it has dozens of classic one liners.

[Doubledown]

I think Bobby Jindal was a little stiff at first then relaxed a little , give the guy a break he is my age, is it true that Louisiana is the only state to add jobs last month? and from what we seen @ Mardi Gras there will be more jobs in the future , it was a hell of a free show (parades).

[pokerchick66]

classic quote from a classic movie. One of my favorite flix and it has dozens of classic one liners.

Which movie?

[mightyradgumbo]

I agree that Gov. Jindal is a great speaker, but make no mistake about it kids. He has already drank the Republican kool-aid. He is a republican through and through, for better or worse. It is clear that he was reading off a teleprompter, poorly reading on top of it. If you are reading the teleprompter you should read the type beforehand so you are familiar with the

I take issue with his statement about President Obama's statement about a financial crisis that might not be reversible. That was taken out of context as this is the quote "“We should have an open and honest discussion about this recovery plan in the days ahead, but I urge Congress to move as quickly as possible on behalf of the American people,” Obama said in a speech at George Mason University in Virginia. “For every day we wait or point fingers or drag our feet, more Americans will lose their jobs. More families will lose their savings. More dreams will be deferred and denied. And our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.”

While I agree that we should be positive to get through tough times, we need to realize that inaction could lead to a permenant depression of the economy. Now is it his plan the right one? I believe it is but that is just my opionion.

It to interesting see Republicans (some on this bored that I am great friends with) dissing OUR president when they took offense to the dissing that the previous one received. Politics is a game not for the faint at heart. I have seen nasty attacks on every campaign I have worked for and while it is not right to go after the family generally, if the party(or candidate) uses the family to gain an edge then I say all bets are off especially because I have never seen a pitbull OR a hockey mom with lipstick on (at least not at early AM skates)

/gumbo stepping off his soapbox

[csoul]

Which movie?

come on. your kidding, right? That's "Steel Magnolias". (Which Mr. Souls HATES because I made him watch it so many times)

[pokerchick66]

come on. your kidding, right? That's "Steel Magnolias". (Which Mr. Souls HATES because I made him watch it so many times)

I LOVE that movie but I don't remember that line.

[sophisticated sissy]

I agree that Gov. Jindal is a great speaker, but make no mistake about it kids. He has already drank the Republican kool-aid. He is a republican through and through, for better or worse. It is clear that he was reading off a teleprompter, poorly reading on top of it. If you are reading the teleprompter you should read the type beforehand so you are familiar with the

(oooh,oooh! I got this one; I got this one! TEXT!!! Right?) :D :p


/gumbo stepping off his soapbox

I love it when you get up on the soapbox, Gumbo!

[csoul]

I LOVE that movie but I don't remember that line.

I think it is when Wheezer and Clairee are in the cemetary after the emotional Sally Field scene.

[mightyradgumbo]

I love it when you get up on the soapbox, Gumbo!

Thanks, Sissy..yes text :D

[jerseygirl67]

come on. your kidding, right? That's "Steel Magnolias". (Which Mr. Souls HATES because I made him watch it so many times)

"I'm not insane (Molin), I've just been in a very bad mood for 40 years"

"Miss Truvy, I promise that my personal tragedy will not interfere with my ability to do good hair"

"Well, you know what they say: if you don't have anything nice to say about anybody, come sit by me"

"You are too twisted for color TV!"

[jerseygirl67]

Thanks, Sissy..yes text :D

You get on that box whenever you want! But ya gotta do a little dance while up there ;)

[csoul]

"I'm not insane (Molin), I've just been in a very bad mood for 40 years"

"Miss Truvy, I promise that my personal tragedy will not interfere with my ability to do good hair"

"Well, you know what they say: if you don't have anything nice to say about anybody, come sit by me"

"You are too twisted for color TV!"

"I swear, the older you get, the sillier you get"
"Well, the older you get, the uglier you get"

and my favorite:
"She's playing hard to get!" "At her age, she should be playing beat the clock"

(Sorry for the drift, folks.....it's an obsession)

[sophisticated sissy]

Thanks, Sissy..yes text :D

Is your cell # the same as last JF or did you get a new one when you migrated?

Let's try to get together for a brew, okay? If not a show, too!
DTB @ HW was awesome last year. Don't know if I told you, but I didn't bail on you. At least, it wasn't my intention. I tried to get back up front after I came out of the 'loo, but they had let another surge of people in.

Hell, it got so crowded, I couldn't even make it over to the bar! It was okay, though, because I ran into the Ohios in the back and we just chilled by the door. I think I might've even run into Rossvegas, too. :)

[mightyradgumbo]

You get on that box whenever you want! But ya gotta do a little dance while up there ;)

As a political science major I have learned to dance on soapboxes very well ;) I need a gym before I dance on any more right now, either that one that is reinforced.

[mightyradgumbo]

Is your cell # the same as last JF or did you get a new one when you migrated?

Let's try to get together for a brew, okay? If not a show, too!
DTB @ HW was awesome last year. Don't know if I told you, but I didn't bail on you. At least, it wasn't my intention. I tried to get back up front after I came out of the 'loo, but they had let another surge of people in.

Hell, it got so crowded, I couldn't even make it over to the bar! It was okay, though, because I ran into the Ohios in the back and we just chilled by the door. I think I might've even run into Rossvegas, too. :)

I got a new one . Yes we discussed the no bail issue. Totally understand. That was a pretty insane evening. I ran into friends from Boston that night who were in town. I didn't even know they were in for fest.

[swag]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/funkkjunkie2/th_8b63992f.jpg (http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/funkkjunkie2/?action=view&current=8b63992f.pbr)

[stynger]

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/funkkjunkie2/th_8b63992f.jpg (http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/funkkjunkie2/?action=view&current=8b63992f.pbr)

That's my favorite post on this thread so far.

[Lit]

That's my favorite post on this thread so far.

I'm torn between that one and all the Steel Magnolias quotes.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

I got a new one ###-###-####. Yes we discussed the no bail issue. Totally understand. That was a pretty insane evening. I ran into friends from Boston that night who were in town. I didn't even know they were in for fest.

:eek: I know a few bathroom walls that I could write that on! Did you really just put your real phone number on the internet? I'm tellin' your mom!

[rosetree]

:eek: I know a few bathroom walls that I could write that on! Did you really just put your real phone number on the internet? I'm tellin' your mom!

So both you and MRG need to delete the # in your posts.
Dan, Dan, Dan...is your brain still fuzzy from yesterday??? :p

[festbabe]

I love reading just the second half of a long thread about politics.

[mightyradgumbo]

:eek: I know a few bathroom walls that I could write that on! Did you really just put your real phone number on the internet? I'm tellin' your mom!

It is prolly on a lot of them already ;) Not sure what I was thinking on dat one. Thanks Y'all.

[sophisticated sissy]

I got it, Gumbo, and wrote it down.
On the bathroom wall. ;) :D

[ohio]

I got it, Gumbo, and wrote it down.
On the bathroom wall. ;) :D
I saw it- it was at the bar down on Route 28. Now why was I in the ladies room????

[frangooch]

I think Bobby Jindal was a little stiff at first then relaxed a little , give the guy a break he is my age, is it true that Louisiana is the only state to add jobs last month? and from what we seen @ Mardi Gras there will be more jobs in the future , it was a hell of a free show (parades).


Why give Jindal any kind of break? Because he's from Louisiana? He's overmatched. He's a stiff. He's a talking head for what's left of the Repub intelligentsia, or whatever they're calling Rush/Bill/Sean these days. You had your 8 years, y'all. Thanks for all your good work. Now beat it.

[windowman]

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1205690212&ref=name#/s.php?sid=7bc9998a5e91c30594f5d81bf20e7191&init=q&sf=r&k=400000000010&n=-1&q=bobby%20jindal%20is%20kenneth%20the%20page

[Phatpapa]

:eek:

I actually have some of the "original" lawn darts if ya'll want to borrow them

[Moon]

I know nothing about the man other than he's been called the best hope for the Repubs here and on other boards. I do know this much however, he's the Guvna of Loosianna. If history is any indication, he'll be indicted for something before he can run for President.

[Belle]

Show me one person who hasn't collected their Social Security in the last fifty years. Social Security has been putting money in people's wallets for years.

I would do better on my own investing that paying the government to spend it before I might or might not get a share of my pay in.

[Belle]

If history is any indication, he'll be indicted for something before he can run for President.

There is a precedent on that one. Lets hope not but I have little faith in the majority of them.

[kapeman]

and full circle back to Jindal- from todays NYTimes-
for those enamored of Jindal please note that it is fellow conservatives who
comment on the general consensus that he did himself no favors with his speech

Governor Jindal, Rising G.O.P. Star, Plummets After Speech

Published: February 25, 2009
Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana has been a rising star in the Republican Party, but his stock took a hit as he was roundly panned for his televised response to President Obama’s first speech to Congress on Tuesday night.

Conservative commentators were among the harshest critics, calling Mr. Jindal’s delivery animatronic, his prose “cheesy” and his message — that federal spending is not the answer to the nation’s economic problems — uninspired.

Mr. Jindal, 37, the son of Indian immigrants, has been regarded as a potential presidential candidate in 2012 who would bring diversity and youth to a post-Obama Republican Party.

But the speech raised questions.

“This was the moment for him to seize the mantle with new ideas, new direction, and lay the groundwork for himself as a creative new thinker,” said Thomas Schaller, a political scientist at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County. “He just used old platitudes and party clichés.”

Laura Ingraham, the talk radio host; David Brooks, the New York Times columnist; and Juan Williams of Fox News were among Mr. Jindal’s unimpressed reviewers in television commentary, while Rush Limbaugh defended the governor on his radio show. Several commentators noted that response speeches, in which a designated member of the opposition party delivers a short, canned speech with no live audience, have often been a recipe for failure.

“He went in there with high expectations, probably too high for any politician,” said David Johnson, a Republican political strategist. “Republicans are looking for a voice to lead them out of the wilderness.”

Still, Mr. Johnson said, “it was a flop.”

Asked about the comments, Mr. Jindal’s chief of staff, Timmy Teepell, said that the governor was responding to Mr. Obama, whom he called one of the most gifted speakers in generations. “I think the governor did a great job,” Mr. Teepell said.

In his speech, Mr. Jindal said Republicans would work with Mr. Obama in areas where they agreed with him, and he offered a kind of apology for his party.

“You elected Republicans to champion limited government, fiscal discipline and personal responsibility,” Mr. Jindal said. “Instead, Republicans went along with earmarks and big government spending in Washington. Republicans lost your trust, and rightly so.”

He also promoted his own record of tax and spending cuts and ethics reform in Louisiana.

Mr. Jindal’s first star turn was supposed to come at the Republican National Convention last summer, but he canceled his appearance after Hurricane Gustav hit Louisiana. On Tuesday, he told viewers of his immigrant parentage and his father’s awe of American ingenuity.

“It seemed like part of the speech he was giving was the speech that he was to give at the convention,” said John Maginnis, author of the LaPolitics Weekly newsletter. “And that wasn’t really appropriate for the Republican response.”

Mr. Maginnis said Mr. Jindal could be a very effective communicator when responding to questions or speaking at informal town-hall-style events. “But a prime-time, stand-up-and-deliver speech — he’s yet to master that one,” he said.

Mr. Johnson faulted Mr. Jindal for telling a story about Harry Lee, the sheriff of Jefferson Parish during Hurricane Katrina and who has been repeatedly accused of racial profiling, and for bringing up Hurricane Katrina at all, which Mr. Jindal cited as an example of the failure of big government.

“The one thing Republicans want to forget,” Mr. Johnson said, “is Katrina.”

[Amy Winette]

I'm with LostCajun in hoping that all of the politicians can stay true to themselves, the only way they'll be worth a darn . . .

Ugh, Palin, can't we leave her as yesterday's news? Let's talk about the octuplet mom instead!!

[Phatpapa]

I'm with LostCajun in hoping that all of the politicians can stay true to themselves, the only way they'll be worth a darn . . .

Ugh, Palin, can't we leave her as yesterday's news? Let's talk about the octuplet mom instead!!

Yea, who was just offered a cool million to do a porn and then a whole years worth of free diapers not to do it by another porn film maker.

What a waste of flesh, IMO

[rosetree]

Yea, who was just offered a cool million to do a porn and then a whole years worth of free diapers not to do it by another porn film maker.

What a waste of flesh, IMO

That "clown car" gets me pissed off every time I see her!:mad:

[pokerchick66]

That "clown car" gets me pissed off every time I see her!:mad:

Clown car?

[rosetree]

Clown car?

You know, the one that they have at the circus where the clowns just keep coming out.....

[pokerchick66]

You know, the one that they have at the circus where the clowns just keep coming out.....

lol, I'm confused. What does that have to do with Sarah Palin?

[almarco]

Clown car?

Yugo?

[Amy Winette]

Yea, who was just offered a cool million to do a porn and then a whole years worth of free diapers not to do it by another porn film maker.

What a waste of flesh, IMO

OMG, I hadn't heard that but wow, I'm sure there are sickos out there who would pay for that porn video just for the novelty. I'd put my money towards not seeing it, Mom of 14 kids in porn video, HOT (not)!!

[Amy Winette]

lol, I'm confused. What does that have to do with Sarah Palin?

Her 5 kids have nothing on the octuplet mom's 14 ;) I had suggested we move from yesterday's yesterday news (Palin) to today's yesterday's news (octuplet mom). I hope they can both fade away soon . . .

[pokerchick66]

Her 5 kids have nothing on the octuplet mom's 14 ;) I had suggested we move from yesterday's yesterday news (Palin) to today's yesterday's news (octuplet mom). I hope they can both fade away soon . . .

ohhhhh, okay, Rosie was talking about the psycho octuplet mom. Gotcha! lol, too many Abitas at my party. :p

[rosetree]

lol, I'm confused. What does that have to do with Sarah Palin?

Sorry to confuse you PC.... I was talking about the psycho-breeder

[pokerchick66]

Sorry to confuse you PC.... I was talking about the psycho-breeder

The picture of her stomach totally grossed me out. Poor kids; can't pick your parents.

[mightyradgumbo]

I saw it- it was at the bar down on Route 28. Now why was I in the ladies room????

Thank you for clarifying that Bry. :D

[swag]

Yeah, Palin porn (http://www.tmz.com/2008/10/09/get-a-load-of-this-whos-nailin-paylin-script/) is so last year.

[Zydekitten]

Sorry to confuse you PC.... I was talking about the psycho-breeder
Ugh - she just makes me upset . . . I like "clown car" for her though, I think that describes it well.

[papafrog]

new orleans culture is so strong and unique because historically politicians
on the state and local level have been ineffective, incompetent, selfserving
crooks,etc.......people are left alone to "do what ya wanna"....
i lived in wash. d.c for quite awhile....originally intended to get involved
in politics, i lived a few blocks from the capitol, and was totally turned off to politics...the only quasi political figure i believe in back in the 70s was Ralph Nader....

[Delta]

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's restaurant is offering a new "Suleman Special" which includes 8 eggs and no sausage, and the guy sitting next to you pays for it.

[MaloGator]

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's restaurant is offering a new "Suleman Special" which includes 8 eggs and no sausage, and the guy sitting next to you pays for it.

:D

[PaulC]

from a reasoned conservative voice, david brooks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X27UIt0RuMw&eurl=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/jindal-response-nihilism_n_169806.html&feature=player_embedded :eek:

and for a good laugh,.. by way of jimmy fallon and kennth the page,.. and of course,.. with many thanks to mr. jindal: http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/the-governor-and-the-page/ :D :D

and then this much too funny truth from the 25th of feb:

"After offering-up the latest GOP lie that $8 billion of the stimulus was line-itemed for "a ‘magnetic levitation’ line from Las Vegas to Disneyland" in last night's widely-panned speech, you'll never guess where Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) travels today:

After giving one of the biggest speeches in his time as a politician, Gov. Bobby Jindal is heading to Disney World.

Jindal's office says the governor and his family leave for the Orlando vacation resort today.

A perfect punctuation mark to the idiocy of last night's GOP response."

[BigDag]

http://www.rjmatson.com/frames_R.htm

[pokerchick66]

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's restaurant is offering a new "Suleman Special" which includes 8 eggs and no sausage, and the guy sitting next to you pays for it.

Bwahahahaha!

[Phatpapa]

LOL TFF

Good one, Delta

[stynger]

Jindal on 60 minutes in two minutes for those interested.

[PaulC]

Jindal on 60 minutes in two minutes for those interested.

hmmmmm,.. those "liberal commies" at 60 minutes just made jindal look mighty good...


edit......

i only caught the last five minutes,.. don't know if they touched on this:

Jindal Admits Katrina Story Was False
By Zachary Roth - February 27, 2009, 12:39PM

Looks like the game is up.

Remember that story Bobby Jindal told in his big speech Tuesday night -- about how during Katrina, he stood shoulder-to-shoulder with a local sheriff who was battling government red tape to try to rescue stranded victims?

Turns out it wasn't actually, you know, true.

In the last few days, first Daily Kos, and then TPMmuckraker, raised serious questions about the story, based in part on the fact that no news reports we could find place Jindal in the affected area at the specific time at issue.

Jindal had described being in the office of Sheriff Harry Lee "during Katrina," and hearing him yelling into the phone at a government bureaucrat who was refusing to let him send volunteer boats out to rescue stranded storm victims, because they didn't have the necessary permits. Jindal said he told Lee, "that's ridiculous," prompting Lee to tell the bureaucrat that the rescue effort would go ahead and he or she could arrest both Lee and Jindal

But now, a Jindal spokeswoman has admitted to Politico that in reality, Jindal overheard Lee talking about the episode to someone else by phone "days later." The spokeswoman said she thought Lee, who died in 2007, was being interviewed about the incident at the time.

This is no minor difference. Jindal's presence in Lee's office during the crisis itself was a key element of the story's intended appeal, putting him at the center of the action during the maelstrom. Just as important, Jindal implied that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. But it turns out Jindal wasn't there at the key moment, and played no role in making the rescue happen.

There's a larger point here, though. The central anecdote of the GOP's prime-time response to President Obama's speech, intended to illustrate the threat of excessive government regulation, turns out to have been made up.

Maybe it's time to rethink the premise.

Late Update: Politico's Ben Smith has updated his post with the following:

UPDATE: I'd initially misunderstood Sellers to be saying Jindal and Lee didn't meet while rescue efforts were still underway. In fact, she said, the conversation took place in the aftermath of the storm, but after the boat incident.

"Bobby and I walked into harry lee's office - he's yelling on the phone about a decision he's already made," Jindal chief of staff Timmy Teepell recalled. "He's saying this is a decision I made, and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me."

Teepell said the exchange took place in the week following Katrina, when Jindal visited Jefferson Parish multiple times.

"He was boots on the ground all the time," he said.

This doesn't seem to bear on the key question. As we said, the key elements of Jindal's story were that he was in Lee's office during the crisis itself, and that his support for the sheriff helped ensure the rescue went ahead. Neither of those things was true, it now seems.

Late Late Update: Hilariously, Jindal's office keeps going back to Politico to try to straighten out its story, but it's only digging itself in deeper.

[Frosty]

OMG, I hadn't heard that but wow, I'm sure there are sickos out there who would pay for that porn video just for the novelty. I'd put my money towards not seeing it, Mom of 14 kids in porn video, HOT (not)!!

She looks like a platypus.

[Doubledown]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4836972n Piyush "Bobby" Jindal on 60 Min.

[pokerchick66]

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4836972n Piyush "Bobby" Jindal on 60 Min.


Great piece! Thanks, DD. :)

[sophisticated sissy]

The Bobby Jindal we saw deliver last week's speech is not the one we admire. A Rhodes Scholar, he is extremely intelligent. I don't think he needs to assume the average-Joe mantle to appeal to voters.

I hope his "handlers" back off and give him the chance to show who he really is. While it may have been a minor setback, I don't think last week's speech signals in any way the end of his career on the national level.

Remember Bill Clinton's long-winded, epic speech delivered at the DNC in 1988? Whew ... I thought it would never end. It was worse than being in church on a Sunday morning with a scalding hangover!

Jindal just needs to be who he is, not try to "dumb down" to appeal to the voters. He's so bright. What a shame it is that he and President Obama are not on the same team. I could be wrong, but I don't expect him to make a serious bid for the White House before 2016. I wish him great success in his political career.

[pokerchick66]

Remember Bill Clinton's long-winded, epic speech delivered at the DNC in 1988? Whew ... I thought it would never end. It was worse than being in church on a Sunday morning with a scalding hangover!


ROFLMAO! :D

Nice post, Crepes. :)

[dank_bass]

I would do better on my own investing that paying the government to spend it before I might or might not get a share of my pay in.

So the govt (at all levels) has proven itself to be the least efficient orginization of any kind. Yet so many people have no problem handing over their tax dollars to let them take care of things we can take care of ourself. Perhaps the stimulus bill should put money directly in the hands of the taxpayers, and not let the govt distribute it. The stimulus bill is garbage, im not bashing anyone here, just calling a spade a spade

[sophisticated sissy]

ROFLMAO! :D

Nice post, Crepes. :)

Then you must know what I mean! One time, I was at my grandmother's church with my daughter. She was about 6 at the time.
The minister was up in the pulpit and he was on a roll that morning. He paused and reached for a glass of water. Before he began again, my daughter said," OH,NO! THERE HE GOES AGAIN!"

Everyone turned around in their pews and looked at us. But, they were all smiling. :)

[pokerchick66]

Then you must know what I mean! One time, I was at my grandmother's church with my daughter. She was about 6 at the time.
The minister was up in the pulpit and he was on a roll that morning. He paused and reached for a glass of water. Before he began again, my daughter said," OH,NO! THERE HE GOES AGAIN!"

Everyone turned around in their pews and looked at us. But, they were all smiling. :)

Cute story. How is the squirrel?

No, can't say I've ever been to church with a hangover; don't think I could've made it, lol. But you're analogy was too funny . . . conveyed your point perfectly! :D

[LAdave]

The Bobby Jindal we saw deliver last week's speech is not the one we admire. A Rhodes Scholar, he is extremely intelligent. I don't think he needs to assume the average-Joe mantle to appeal to voters.

I totally agree, but his mannerisms and "follksiness" was not what turned me off. It was the total lack of integrity. It is pretty hard to talk about how band the federal government is, and the utter depravity of government spending, when you spent the days post-Katrina begging for billions of dollars in federal money. I don't fault him for that, as that is exactly what he should have done.

But it is less than honest to decry government spending when you have just been a major recipient of the same.

[kapeman]

The Ecstacy and the Agony by Frank Rich NYTimes Sun Mar 1

As he stood before Congress on Tuesday night, the new president was armed with new job approval percentages in the 60s. After his speech, the numbers hit the stratosphere: CBS News found that support for his economic plans spiked from 63 percent to 80. Had more viewers hung on for the Republican response from Bobby Jindal, the unintentionally farcical governor of Louisiana, Obama might have aced a near-perfect score.

His address was riveting because it delivered on the vision he had promised a battered populace during the campaign: Government must step in boldly when free markets run amok and when national crises fester unaddressed for decades. For all the echoes of F.D.R.’s first fireside chat, he also evoked his own memorably adult speech on race. Once again he walked us through a lucid step-by-step mini-lecture on “how we arrived” at an impasse that’s threatening America’s ability to move forward.

Obama’s race speech may have saved his campaign. His first Congressional address won’t rescue the economy. But it brings him to a significant early crossroads in his presidency — one full of perils as well as great opportunities. To get the full political picture, look beyond Obama’s popularity in last week’s polls to the two groups of Americans whose approval numbers are in the toilet. There is good news for Obama in these findings, but there’s also a stark indication of the unchecked populist rage that could still overrun his ambitious plans.

The first group in national disfavor is the G.O.P. In the latest New York Times/CBS News survey, 63 percent said that Congressional Republicans opposed the stimulus package mostly for political reasons; only 17 percent felt that the Republicans should stick with their own policies rather than cooperate with Obama and the Democrats. The second group of national villains is corporate recipients of taxpayer money: only 39 percent approve of a further bailout for banks, and only 22 percent want more money going to Detroit’s Big Three.

The good news for Obama is that he needn’t worry about the Republicans. They’re committing suicide. The morning-after conservative rationalization of Jindal’s flop was that his adenoidal delivery, not his words, did him in, and that media coaching could banish his resemblance to Kenneth the Page of “30 Rock.” That’s denial. For Jindal no less than Obama, form followed content.

The Louisiana governor, alternately smug and jejune, articulated precisely the ideology — those G.O.P. “policies” in the Times/CBS poll — that Americans reject: the conviction that government is useless and has no role in an emergency. Given that the most mismanaged federal operation in modern memory was inflicted by a Republican White House on Jindal’s own state, you’d think he’d change the subject altogether.

But like all zealots, Jindal is oblivious to how nonzealots see him. Pleading “principle,” he has actually turned down some $100 million in stimulus money for Louisiana. And, as he proudly explained on “Meet the Press” last weekend, he can’t wait to be judged on “the results” of his heroic frugality.

Good luck with that. He’s rejecting aid for a state that ranks fourth in children living below the poverty line and 46th in high school graduation rates, while struggling with a projected budget shortfall of more than $1.7 billion.

If you’re baffled why the G.O.P. would thrust Jindal into prime time, the answer is desperation. Eager to update its image without changing its antediluvian (or antebellum) substance, the party is trying to lock down its white country-club blowhards. The only other nonwhite face on tap, alas, is the unguided missile Michael Steele, its new national chairman. Steele has of late been busy promising to revive his party with an “off-the-hook” hip-hop P.R. campaign, presumably with the perennially tan House leader John Boehner leading the posse.

At least the G.O.P.’s newfound racial sensitivity saved it from choosing the white Southern governor often bracketed with Jindal as a rising “star,” Mark Sanford of South Carolina. That would have been an even bigger fiasco, for Sanford is from the same state as Ty’Sheoma Bethea, the junior high school student who sat in Michelle Obama’s box on Tuesday night and whose impassioned letter to Congress was quoted by the president.

In her plea, the teenager begged for aid to her substandard rural school. Without basic tools, she poignantly wrote, she and her peers cannot “prove to the world” that they too might succeed at becoming “lawyers, doctors, congressmen like yourself and one day president.”

Her school is in Dillon, where the Federal Reserve chairman, Ben Bernanke, grew up. The school’s auditorium, now condemned, was the site of Bernanke’s high school graduation. Dillon is now so destitute that Bernanke’s middle-class childhood home was just auctioned off in a foreclosure sale. Unemployment is at 14.2 percent.

Governor Sanford’s response to such hardship — his state over all has the nation’s third-highest unemployment rate — was not merely a threat to turn down federal funds but a trip to Washington to actively lobby against the stimulus bill. He accused the three Republican senators who voted for it of sabotaging “the future of our civilization.” In his mind the future of civilization has little to do with the future of students like Ty’Sheoma Bethea.

What such G.O.P. “stars” as Sanford and Jindal have in common, besides their callous neo-Hoover ideology, are their phony efforts to portray themselves as populist heroes. Their role model is W., that brush-clearing “rancher” by way of Andover, Yale and Harvard. Listening to Jindal talk Tuesday night about his immigrant father’s inability to pay for an obstetrician, you’d never guess that at the time his father was an engineer and his mother an L.S.U. doctoral candidate in nuclear physics. Sanford’s first political ad in 2002 told of how growing up on his “family’s farm” taught him “about hard work and responsibility.” That “farm,” the Charlotte Observer reported, was a historic plantation appraised at $1.5 million in the early 1980s. From that hardscrabble background, he struggled on to an internship at Goldman Sachs.

G.O.P. pseudopopulism ran riot last week as right-wing troops rallied around their latest Joe the Plumber: Rick Santelli, the ranting CNBC foe of Obama’s mortgage rescue program. Ann Coulter proposed a Santelli run for president, and Twitterers organized national “tea parties” to fuel his taxpayers’ revolt. Even with a boost from NBC, whose networks seized a promotional opening by incessantly recycling the Santelli “controversy,” the bonfire fizzled. It did so because — as last week’s polls also revealed — the mortgage bailout, with a 60-plus percent approval rating, is nearly as popular as Obama.

The Santelli revolution’s flameout was just another confirmation that hard-core Republican radicals are now the G.O.P.’s problem, not the president’s. Rahm Emanuel has it right when he says the administration must try bipartisanship, but it doesn’t have to succeed. Voters give Obama credit for trying, and he can even claim success with many Republican governors, from Schwarzenegger to Crist. Now he can move on and let his childish adversaries fight among themselves, with Rush Limbaugh as the arbitrating babysitter. (Last week he gave Jindal a thumb’s up.)

But that good news for Obama is countered by the bad. The genuine populist rage in the country — aimed at greedy C.E.O.’s, not at the busted homeowners mocked as “losers” by Santelli — cannot be ignored or finessed. Though Obama was crystal clear on Tuesday that there can be “no real recovery unless we clean up the credit crisis,” it was telling that he got fuzzy when he came to what he might do about it. He waited two days to drop that shoe in his budget: a potential $750 billion in banking “asset purchases” on top of the previous $700 billion bailout.

Therein lies the Catch-22 that could bring the recovery down. As Obama said, we can’t move forward without a functioning financial system. But voters of both parties will demand that their congressmen reject another costly rescue of it. Americans still don’t understand why many Wall Street malefactors remain in place or why the administration’s dithering banking policy lacks the boldness and clarity of Obama’s rhetoric.

Nor can a further bailout be easily sold by a Treasury secretary, Timothy Geithner, whose lax oversight of the guilty banks while at the New York Fed remains a subject of journalistic inquiry. In a damning 5,600-word article from Bloomberg last week, he is portrayed as a second banana, a timid protégé of the old boys who got us into this disaster. Everyone testifies to Geithner’s brilliance, but Jindal, a Rhodes scholar, was similarly hyped. Like the Louisiana governor, the Treasury secretary is a weak public speaker not because he lacks brains or vocal training but because his message doesn’t fly.

Among the highlights of Obama’s triumphant speech was his own populist jeremiad about the “fancy drapes” and private jets of Wall Street. But talk is not action. Two days later, as ABC News reported, the president of taxpayer-supported Bank of America took a private jet to New York to stonewall Andrew Cuomo’s inquest into $3.6 billion of suspect bonuses.

Handing more public money to the reckless banks that invented this culture and stuck us with the wreckage is the new third rail of American politics. If Obama doesn’t forge a better plan, neither his immense popularity nor even political foes as laughable as Jindal can insulate him from getting burned.

[LAdave]

Thanks, Kapeman, for posting this insightful (inciteful??) article!

[Frosty]

I totally agree, but his mannerisms and "follksiness" was not what turned me off. It was the total lack of integrity. It is pretty hard to talk about how band the federal government is, and the utter depravity of government spending, when you spent the days post-Katrina begging for billions of dollars in federal money. I don't fault him for that, as that is exactly what he should have done.

But it is less than honest to decry government spending when you have just been a major recipient of the same.

Two things:

1) Federally spending for someone else is bad. For my interests, it's good.

2) Louisiana is a net provider for this nation. The economic importance of it's ports is enormous compared to what it receives back from the country.

[sophisticated sissy]

Cute story. How is the squirrel?

No, can't say I've ever been to church with a hangover; don't think I could've made it, lol. But you're analogy was too funny . . . conveyed your point perfectly! :D

Oh, thanks, but it was mainly to convey the point that you can go on and become president even after delivering a not well received speech.

The Squirrel? She's fine. TY for asking. She was in a play last month, Moliere's "Tartuffe", and she's in rehearsal for one that opens in about 3 weeks.
She's also working with a comedy improv group at school. A group of them visited Chicago last week to check out the improv groups there. They had a blast.

She finally declared a major! Theater/Creative writing. :)

[pokerchick66]

Oh, thanks, but it was mainly to convey the point that you can go on and become president even after delivering a not well received speech.

The Squirrel? She's fine. TY for asking. She was in a play last month, Moliere's "Tartuffe", and she's in rehearsal for one that opens in about 3 weeks.
She's also working with a comedy improv group at school. A group of them visited Chicago last week to check out the improv groups there. They had a blast.

She finally declared a major! Theater/Creative writing. :)

Perfect! Do we have a future playwright on our hands? :)

[LAdave]

Two things:

1) Federally spending for someone else is bad. For my interests, it's good.

2) Louisiana is a net provider for this nation. The economic importance of it's ports is enormous compared to what it receives back from the country.

1. Truer words were never spoken.

2. With my offices a mile from the Port of Los Angeles, I understand. Here's, however, a great example of our government in action. The Port of Los Angeles recently implemented its Clean Trucks program, as part of its Clean Air Initiative (no wonder San Pedro/Wilmington has the highest rate of asthma in the country, combined with the lowest air quality). To my point, only trucks made after 1990, with clean air emissions, can pick up and deliver containers to the Port.

Sounds good in principle. The only problem is 35,000 truckloads per day, and only 2200 Clean Air trucks. The solution: The "Clean" trucks pick up the loads, move them to remote locations, where they are trans shipped by "Dirty" trucks. Spreading the wealth, I guess; certainly spreading the pollutants!

Am I complaining? Hell, No!!! I have a 20,000 sq ft warehouse, with parking for an additional 60 containers, just a mile from the Port. I am turning down business left and right. I love this country!!!

(Not to mention the fact it is financing my JF trip!!)

[Mexi]

2. The Port of Los Angeles recently implemented its Clean Trucks program, as part of its Clean Air Initiative (no wonder San Pedro/Wilmington has the highest rate of asthma in the country, combined with the lowest air quality).

Hey, I'm from San Pedro! Born & raised. I never knew the air quality was bad there. Wilmington, yes, but not Pedro.

[jazzykeb]

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:Louisiana_Governor_brazenly_taunts_volcanoe s

[Belle]

Two things:

1) Federally spending for someone else is bad. For my interests, it's good.

2) Louisiana is a net provider for this nation. The economic importance of it's ports is enormous compared to what it receives back from the country.

He speaks the truth!! Oil, gas, goods et all. The assholes who think that New Orleans doesn't matter is ignorant. :)

http://www.portno.com/pno_pages/about_overview.htm

[Lostcajun]

Sounds good in principle. The only problem is 35,000 truckloads per day, and only 2200 Clean Air trucks. The solution: The "Clean" trucks pick up the loads, move them to remote locations, where they are trans shipped by "Dirty" trucks. Spreading the wealth, I guess; certainly spreading the pollutants!

Am I complaining? Hell, No!!! I have a 20,000 sq ft warehouse, with parking for an additional 60 containers, just a mile from the Port. I am turning down business left and right. I love this country!!!

(Not to mention the fact it is financing my JF trip!!)

I don't have a problem with anyone earning a living. And am glad you'll make it to fest. I hope you spend a lot of your well-earned money in NOLA.

I do have a problem with the congress and their bureaucrats running anything and that includes implementing potentially well-intentioned ideas executed in stupid ways. Even though many people (Wall Street, Lenders, etc) bear responsibility of our current economic mess. The government is on the TOP of the list of irresponsible entities in this. Where's the oversight? Where's the economic prudence? Where's the service to the country among our current crop of elected officials. It is absurd to think an entity that has failed so completely and set up this failure (both parties) is THE solution. And it's not a difference of opinion of democrats and republicans. I am liberal in many ways concerning the welfare of people. My degree is in Social Work and I've been a case worker. But I don't trust any politicians (or government entities) to get things done. I expect the worst from them and they fulfill those expectations every time. I'm sick of democrats and republican bull-sh*itting us about liberal or conservative values, when they will bend over for who ever will get them re-elected.

Why does this matter? Because my life is focused on helping hurting people. And a lot of people are starting to suffer because of people playing politics. Politicians are toxic, and their decisions are causing people to suffer. To some degree it's average Joe's fault because they made some poor decisions, but to a great degree they believed the lies and trusted their congress to do their job. Sorry for the rant my friends.

I do think there is a middle ground that's not republican or democrat. We need to be mad as hell and NOT take it any more.

[mightyradgumbo]

I don't have a problem with anyone earning a living. And am glad you'll make it to fest. I hope you spend a lot of your well-earned money in NOLA.

I do have a problem with the congress and their bureaucrats running anything and that includes implementing potentially well-intentioned ideas executed in stupid ways. Even though many people (Wall Street, Lenders, etc) bear responsibility of our current economic mess. The government is on the TOP of the list of irresponsible entities in this. Where's the oversight? Where's the economic prudence? Where's the service to the country among our current crop of elected officials. It is absurd to think an entity that has failed so completely and set up this failure (both parties) is THE solution. And it's not a difference of opinion of democrats and republicans. I am liberal in many ways concerning the welfare of people. My degree is in Social Work and I've been a case worker. But I don't trust any politicians (or government entities) to get things done. I expect the worst from them and they fulfill those expectations every time. I'm sick of democrats and republican bull-sh*itting us about liberal or conservative values, when they will bend over for who ever will get them re-elected.

Why does this matter? Because my life is focused on helping hurting people. And a lot of people are starting to suffer because of people playing politics. Politicians are toxic, and their decisions are causing people to suffer. To some degree it's average Joe's fault because they made some poor decisions, but to a great degree they believed the lies and trusted their congress to do their job. Sorry for the rant my friends.

I do think there is a middle ground that's not republican or democrat. We need to be mad as hell and NOT take it any more.

LC, as alway very heartfelt. I agree. I was at a Bruce Springsteen show a few years back. He made a statement while he was promoting the local food bank. The problems of America are not Democratic problems or Republican problems, they are American problems.

I do not agree with your assessment of the current group of politicians. We need to give this process some time to work. Yes we need to be ever vigilant in our holding of the current Administration and Congress to a standard of accountability that makes the system work. We did not do that and the last administration ran roughshod over the Constitution and the country. Not a political statement, just a factual one.
That being said, this is not a situation where someone can just wave a wand (and I know you know this more than most) and it will be all fixed. We have to spend some money to fix some of the shit that is broken. The feds just gave some stimulus money to a work project to fix highways in MD that have not been worked on in 17 years! The good news is that it will create jobs and ultimately save lives. The bad new is....it took 17 years!!!!!!!! Where has all the money gone that we supposed earmarked for Federal highway infrastructure? Lots of other places in those years I am sure.

So do me a favor my friend, keep that mad as hell attitude. We all need it to make sure what everyone says they are going to do gets done (or at least relatively close to the marker). I will continue to shout it with you because as that great bumper sticker says "when the followers lead, the leaders will follow" /Gumbo stepping down off his soapbox/

[Lostcajun]

Thanks Dan, you rock my friend...

[Delta]

Thanks Dan, you rock my friend...

That's what I was thinking as I read his post too.

[jazzykeb]

That's what I was thinking as I read his post too.

Ditto! Well said Dan. Now I know why you are running for Mayor!

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Nodding along with Dan!

[mangoon]

Nice post MRG.

[SeeFood]

I had a shudder moment yesterday watching news reports of Jindal walking around with the HUD and Homeland Security Secretaries yesterday in the blighted neighborhoods. Uncomfortably stiff, forced grins and looking real outta place. Anyone think he's related to Beatle Bob?? I guess I need to see him dance first..

[mightyradgumbo]

Ditto! Well said Dan. Now I know why you are running for Mayor!

Only contemplating it right now, Kev but I am getting some positive feedback from some peeps that I have tossed the idea at. Of course when they realize I am seriously considering it, not sure if they will be so accomodating :D

[Delta]

Only contemplating it right now, Kev but I am getting some positive feedback from some peeps that I have tossed the idea at. Of course when they realize I am seriously considering it, not sure if they will be so accomodating :D

But think of all the threadheads who would finally move to NO just so they could vote for you!

[i wanna be in NOLA]

HA! That was my thought too, Delta.

[mightyradgumbo]

Well I could sure use that support base. Y'all have just a little less than a year, then...hop to it. Would love more THs in this town to compliment the fine bunch of peeps who have been here and have, like my carpetbagger self, made the move.:D