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PaulC
02-15-2009, 10:31 PM
http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf
ya' like pizza??....
:eek: :eek: :eek:
pokerchick66
02-15-2009, 10:36 PM
Oh, it's coming . . .
sophisticated sissy
02-15-2009, 10:53 PM
I value privacy and freedom way more than a lousy, stinkin' pizza!
Headless Hornman
02-16-2009, 07:48 PM
Hey Paul,
If you're coming to Clearwater for the Sea Blues Fest this weekend you'll find Big Brother passing out wrist bands there. If you want to buy alcohol you have to show ID no matter how old you are. They take your driver's license and run it through a card scanner, which can capture your DL number, name, and address. I don't know if they are actually keeping this data but it bugs me enough that I bring my passport instead.
Lester_leaps_in
02-16-2009, 08:09 PM
Well, Chit! It's coming, don'cha know. Be careful what you tell people, folks. And when you do business online, actually read those privacy policy statements.
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stlbarb
02-16-2009, 08:21 PM
Hey Paul,
If you're coming to Clearwater for the Sea Blues Fest this weekend you'll find Big Brother passing out wrist bands there. If you want to buy alcohol you have to show ID no matter how old you are. They take your driver's license and run it through a card scanner, which can capture your DL number, name, and address. I don't know if they are actually keeping this data but it bugs me enough that I bring my passport instead.
you have a drivers license?
i've never actually seen you behind the wheel of a car.
Hey Paul,
If you're coming to Clearwater for the Sea Blues Fest this weekend you'll find Big Brother passing out wrist bands there. If you want to buy alcohol you have to show ID no matter how old you are. They take your driver's license and run it through a card scanner, which can capture your DL number, name, and address. I don't know if they are actually keeping this data but it bugs me enough that I bring my passport instead.
I always use my college ID. If they don't want to use that I walk. I don't need a beer that bad.
Michelino
02-17-2009, 10:47 AM
I'm afraid it is already a done deal...belief in privacy is just above belief in the tooth fairy as far as imaginary concepts are concerned
I realized that some time ago when doing some research and I easily found my grandfather's SSN on the web. He has been dead for 40 years.
The living have even more data unprotected. For example, if you search for yourself or any one else you know at http://www.intelius.com/ don't be surprised if they give away your age for free.
And then I once worked on a project that used this database (http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jun/01/business/fi-42946), the donnelly marketing database, which at that time (2001) had over 250 million rows of data, where each row is one of us, and 1500 columns, where each column represents a fact or some other "private" element about our lives. And new tidal wave of info about us was arriving every day.
I don't recall ever giving these folks pernission even for the information they disperse for free...for example, a common "security" question is "mother's maiden name". Well, that is one of those items that when you know where to look for it, it ain't that hard to find.
Anyone been to Disney lately? One of the things I have tried to avoid is being fingerprinted. But, starting around three years ago, when you use the multi-park passes at Disney they take some sort of biometric, "mathematical representation" of your fingerprint, reportedly to prevent fraud. That scares the crap out of me. I'm sure they're now part of some database too.
Amy Winette
02-17-2009, 11:32 AM
You have to get finger printed for bar exams though, right Lit? I've been finger printed every time. And volunteering for Boys & Girls Club requires finger printing . . . Probably most volunteering with kids programs do.
Michelino
02-17-2009, 11:37 AM
Anyone been to Disney lately? One of the things I have tried to avoid is being fingerprinted. But, starting around three years ago, when you use the multi-park passes at Disney they take some sort of biometric, "mathematical representation" of your fingerprint, reportedly to prevent fraud. That scares the crap out of me. I'm sure they're now part of some database too.
If the fingerprint template is stored on a smart card or something similar, it may never go to a central database. This can be quite secure as the data can then remain under your control and is just used when verifying a match against your fingerprint in the presence of a fingerprint reader.
You have to get finger printed for bar exams though, right Lit? I've been finger printed every time. And volunteering for Boys & Girls Club requires finger printing . . . Probably most volunteering with kids programs do.
No, not when I took the exam Amy. To the best of my knowledge, I have never been fingerprinted, other than whatever image they collected at Disney.
If the fingerprint template is stored on a smart card or something similar, it may never go to a central database. This can be quite secure as the data can then remain under your control and is just used when verifying a match against your fingerprint in the presence of a fingerprint reader.
I have no idea what they did/do with the data, but I did not have the image on any type of card that was in my control. From what I recall, we each had a pass, and when we used them we had to put two fingers in some type of biometric reader. And then everytime we used the passes after that we had to put our fingers in the reader again. If the person who had the pass did not match the person who first used it, they could not use the pass. This became an issue because I was holding all of our passes and would just distribute them before we reached an entry point without worrying which kid had which kid pass or which adult had which adult pass. When the passes were rejected we had to switch them up until they ended up back with whomever used them first.
So, from what I gather, the biometric reader took an image the first time the pass was used and connected it to that pass, rendering it invalid for use with anyone other than the person who matched the original biometric image. And from that I deduce that we were essentially printed, and that our images are stored in some database somewhere.
djgriff
02-17-2009, 12:05 PM
No, not when I took the exam Amy. To the best of my knowledge, I have never been fingerprinted, other than whatever image they collected at Disney.
Really? In NY we had to submit full fingerprint cards as part of the ethical review process. I think the same in New Jersey. I remember they took your thumb print when you sat for the NY Bar exam also.
I've been fingerprinted all over the country for all kinds of things. No big deal.
Really? In NY we had to submit full fingerprint cards as part of the ethical review process. I think the same in New Jersey. I remember they took your thumb print when you sat for the NY Bar exam also.
If it happened, they may have done something else to me at the time too, because I have no recollection of it.
And there is no separate ethical review process here either. IIRC, the ethics test could be waived if you attended a CT law school, took a full credit course in Professional Ethics and obtained a B or better. That's what I did.
Amy Winette
02-17-2009, 12:23 PM
Yeah, I did finger print cards for Nebraska in 1998, California in 2001, Nevada in 2006, Idaho and Wyoming in 2007 and again for Montana that I'm taking next week. I'm all over the system!
Notaries in California also require thumb prints. So my thumb print is in notary books for every single declaration or affidavit I signed there!
Amy Winette
02-17-2009, 12:24 PM
If it happened, they may have done something else to me at the time too, because I have no recollection of it.
And there is no separate ethical review process here either. IIRC, the ethics test could be waived if you attended a CT law school, took a full credit course in Professional Ethics and obtained a B or better. That's what I did.
You didn't have to submit all the docs for the "moral character" review -- every single place you've ever lived, every speeding ticket you've ever gotten, every job you've ever had, etc.? Wow, that would be nice!
MormonMatthew
02-17-2009, 12:37 PM
Really? In NY we had to submit full fingerprint cards as part of the ethical review process. I think the same in New Jersey. I remember they took your thumb print when you sat for the NY Bar exam also.
Back when I got my teaching certification, (1996) prints were required for the background check, and the great state of Utah made us (the applicants) pay for the friggin' privilege of being fingerprinted.......
almarco
02-17-2009, 12:49 PM
Back when I got my teaching certification, (1996) prints were required for the background check, and the great state of Utah made us (the applicants) pay for the friggin' privilege of being fingerprinted.......
They didnt trust a mormon?
You didn't have to submit all the docs for the "moral character" review -- every single place you've ever lived, every speeding ticket you've ever gotten, every job you've ever had, etc.? Wow, that would be nice!
There was a lot of that detail required for my bar application itself, but no separate ethics review. I remember that it asked for two personal references, with contact information, for each address where I had ever lived. That took some doing...
MormonMatthew
02-17-2009, 01:22 PM
They didnt trust a mormon?
Maybe it was the "Will teach for beer and Czechoslovakian angel dust" T-shirt I wore to the state board of education offices.......
almarco
02-17-2009, 01:24 PM
Maybe it was the "Will work for beer and Czechoslovakian angel dust" T-shirt I wore to the state board of education offices.......
And they only had the beer? but knew a guy who was a friend of a guy....
MormonMatthew
02-17-2009, 07:57 PM
Hey Paul,
If you're coming to Clearwater for the Sea Blues Fest this weekend you'll find Big Brother passing out wrist bands there. If you want to buy alcohol you have to show ID no matter how old you are. They take your driver's license and run it through a card scanner, which can capture your DL number, name, and address. I don't know if they are actually keeping this data but it bugs me enough that I bring my passport instead.
On the same note......
As if Utah's famous wierdo liquor laws were not already bizzare enough, there is currently a bill before the state legislature that would require anyone, reguardless of age, to present thier drivers licence for scanning before ordering a drink at any restaurant, bar or club. This info would be shared with any number of possible govt. agencies, for use in all sorts of ways, (law enforcement, child and social services) none of which are ANY of the governments damn business.
Big Brother has a fixation on intruding into law-abiding citizens private lives in a manner that would have been unthinkable in years past. Of course, 99% of people go along with no dissent, no outcry, and our privacy is chipped away at bit by bit, until.......
sophisticated sissy
02-17-2009, 08:39 PM
Did anyone read about the Facebook complaint?
Seems they have made some changes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/facebookprivacychangesparksfederalcomplaint
pokerchick66
02-17-2009, 08:43 PM
Did anyone read about the Facebook complaint?
Seems they have made some changes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/facebookprivacychangesparksfederalcomplaint
I was just reading about that, Crepes. This is another reason why I'm not on Facebook and Myspace.
mightyradgumbo
02-17-2009, 09:19 PM
I was just reading about that, Crepes. This is another reason why I'm not on Facebook and Myspace.
That is why I never put anything on Facebook that I don't want people to see, chipchopchick.
I am suprised, Lit, that you didn't have to be fingerprinted. I went through a couple of fingerprintings for security clearances in the military. Also did it when I did volunteer work with Boys and Girls club, Ames. Lucky they didn't match up with the wanted posters in the post office. :D
stlbarb
02-17-2009, 11:19 PM
No, not when I took the exam Amy. To the best of my knowledge, I have never been fingerprinted, other than whatever image they collected at Disney.
wow, i respect your knowledge of beer, but i had no idea you had to pass a test just to get into a bar. weird state laws i guess.
:eek:
Did anyone read about the Facebook complaint?
Seems they have made some changes:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/facebookprivacychangesparksfederalcomplaint
Facebook has backed off the change, for now.
A couple of weeks ago, we revised our terms of use hoping to clarify some parts for our users. Over the past couple of days, we received a lot of questions and comments about the changes and what they mean for people and their information. Based on this feedback, we have decided to return to our previous terms of use while we resolve the issues that people have raised.
More at http://blog.facebook.com/
On the same note......
As if Utah's famous wierdo liquor laws were not already bizzare enough, there is currently a bill before the state legislature that would require anyone, reguardless of age, to present thier drivers licence for scanning before ordering a drink at any restaurant, bar or club. This info would be shared with any number of possible govt. agencies, for use in all sorts of ways, (law enforcement, child and social services) none of which are ANY of the governments damn business.
Big Brother has a fixation on intruding into law-abiding citizens private lives in a manner that would have been unthinkable in years past. Of course, 99% of people go along with no dissent, no outcry, and our privacy is chipped away at bit by bit, until.......
Sweet Jesus! I thought Baptists were bad till I went to Salt Lake for the Winter Olympics. Why don't they just go ahead and ban alcohol altogether?