Smoke free music venues

[joe]

Jan 1 ban made the Columns Hotel quit smoking. What about Rock/n/bowl? --- or are they considered a "stand alone bar"?
Where is the air clear now -- besides Zotz Coffee?

[Orleansnj]

I think that the implementation of the smoking ban goes something like this: stand-alone bars, and bars that derive less than 50% of their revenue from food are exempt. There are other exemptions too like casinos etc. So - I think you're safe

[joe]

Someone called Rock'n'Bowl and it is indeed smoke free! This is great news!

[mariena]

Joe,
If this is true, my husband will be thrilled. Me too for that matter, now I can see the entire Tab Benoit show. My Hubby never wanted to stay for the whole show due to the smoke.

[sophisticated sissy]

Tailpipe emissions from automobiles, buses and trucks emit the same toxins as cigars, pipes and cigarettes, and then some. If you're worried about 2nd hand smoke, be very alarmed if you step outdoors during rush hour traffic, or if you're caught in a traffic jam due to weather conditions or an accident.
You also may want to consider avoiding pizza places that employ wood-fired ovens, campfires, and ordinary fireplaces found in some homes. Inhaling 2nd hand smoke in a bar is about the equivalent of smoking one two-thousandth of a cigarette.

I have been a non-smoker, a smoker, a former smoker, and a current smoker in the course of my life. While I do not enjoy 2nd hand smoke, I think the issue of smoking is a simple matter of using manners and common sense regarding others. Many do not care for the odor.

I find the scent of many grooming products, such as perfume and hairspray, highly offensive, but I do not expect users of such products to be placed in a designated section, or to have laws enacted against them for the use of the products.

[ohio]

I say blame the inventor.......
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[PaulC]

Tailpipe emissions from automobiles, buses and trucks emit the same toxins as cigars, pipes and cigarettes, and then some. If you're worried about 2nd hand smoke, be very alarmed if you step outdoors during rush hour traffic, or if you're caught in a traffic jam due to weather conditions or an accident.

I find the scent of many grooming products, such as perfume and hairspray, highly offensive, but I do not expect users of such products to be placed in a designated section, or to have laws enacted against them for the use of the products.


Can neva' figure out those peeps who run/jog/bike on major roads durin' high traffic time... The lungs are reachin' for air,.. and they are findin' it...

As for groomin' products,..my damn tongue pulls scents outa' the air like a snake,..but my far better half says she likey other attributes of snake like thing....

[mariena]

I am an ex smoker too and I still the enjoy the occasional cigarette when I am out in a club. I can go either way. 2nd hand smoke does not bother me. It is just that I know my hubby always gets a bad headache from being around it and it will hinder my enjoyment of the event because of him.
Mariena

[Amy Winette]

It makes my intolerable contacts even more dry and uncomfortable. Last few times I've been in Vegas I can't hardly stand it.

[stlbarb]

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I have been a non-smoker, a smoker, a former smoker, and a current smoker in the course of my life. While I do not enjoy 2nd hand smoke, I think the issue of smoking is a simple matter of using manners and common sense regarding others. Many do not care for the odor.

I find the scent of many grooming products, such as perfume and hairspray, highly offensive, but I do not expect users of such products to be placed in a designated section, or to have laws enacted against them for the use of the products.[/QUOTE]

i smoke when i drink (no comments on how much i drink), but i hate coming home from a club all stinky. when my hair was long, it would be so digusting when it smelled like an ashtray. so when possible, i go outside to smoke (hard to do here when its below freezing) - and i wont smoke in a tight crowd so people dont have to leave their good viewing spot to avoid my smoke. a little common courtesy goes a long way.

now most perfumes absolutely gag me - i'd rather smell farts.

[sophisticated sissy]

:D I hear you on that. At least farts fade away!

Last weekend, I was in a club across the river from Cincy, in N. Kentucky. Ohio recently banned smoking from virtually all public places in the November election. Kentucky still allows smoking. A man asked a bartender if he could light up a cigar. The bartender informed the man that the promoter didn't want people to smoke cigars, due to people complaining.

Everybody within earshot said,"It won't bother us. Let him enjoy his cigar." The man told the bartender he would put out the cigar if anyone complained. The bartender said okay. I thought it was nice that civilized adults were allowed to behave like civilized adults!

[Amy Winette]

I haven't been able to wear perfume for awhile as it overwhelms me!

[ozzie]

:D I hear you on that. At least farts fade away!

Last weekend, I was in a club across the river from Cincy, in N. Kentucky. Ohio recently banned smoking from virtually all public places in the November election. Kentucky still allows smoking. A man asked a bartender if he could light up a cigar. The bartender informed the man that the promoter didn't want people to smoke cigars, due to people complaining.

Everybody within earshot said,"It won't bother us. Let him enjoy his cigar." The man told the bartender he would put out the cigar if anyone complained. The bartender said okay. I thought it was nice that civilized adults were allowed to behave like civilized adults!

Ya got that right Sissy! I've long thought that if smoking folk in general were a tad more considerate, then I'd still be able to enjoy a cigarette when I'm out.

[ozzie]

Not that I particularly mind skulking in doorways and alleys to grab a puff.... you can meet the nicest people!

[Frosty]

Tailpipe emissions from automobiles, buses and trucks emit the same toxins as cigars, pipes and cigarettes, and then some. If you're worried about 2nd hand smoke, be very alarmed if you step outdoors during rush hour traffic, or if you're caught in a traffic jam due to weather conditions or an accident.
You also may want to consider avoiding pizza places that employ wood-fired ovens, campfires, and ordinary fireplaces found in some homes. Inhaling 2nd hand smoke in a bar is about the equivalent of smoking one two-thousandth of a cigarette.

I have been a non-smoker, a smoker, a former smoker, and a current smoker in the course of my life. While I do not enjoy 2nd hand smoke, I think the issue of smoking is a simple matter of using manners and common sense regarding others. Many do not care for the odor.

I find the scent of many grooming products, such as perfume and hairspray, highly offensive, but I do not expect users of such products to be placed in a designated section, or to have laws enacted against them for the use of the products.


Right, which is why I don't sit in my garage with the car running either.

[Staxsun]

Tailpipe emissions from automobiles, buses and trucks emit the same toxins as cigars, pipes and cigarettes, and then some. If you're worried about 2nd hand smoke, be very alarmed if you step outdoors during rush hour traffic, or if you're caught in a traffic jam due to weather conditions or an accident.
You also may want to consider avoiding pizza places that employ wood-fired ovens, campfires, and ordinary fireplaces found in some homes. Inhaling 2nd hand smoke in a bar is about the equivalent of smoking one two-thousandth of a cigarette.

I have been a non-smoker, a smoker, a former smoker, and a current smoker in the course of my life. While I do not enjoy 2nd hand smoke, I think the issue of smoking is a simple matter of using manners and common sense regarding others. Many do not care for the odor.

I find the scent of many grooming products, such as perfume and hairspray, highly offensive, but I do not expect users of such products to be placed in a designated section, or to have laws enacted against them for the use of the products.

It's people with attitudes such as yours that cause us to have to regulate activities. You talk about people being considerate and show us how inconsiderate you feel. All I know is that after years of spending lots of hours in nightclubs as a non-smoker, my cardiologist is requiring me to cut back on doing so. Cigarette smoke causes cancer, it raises my blood pressure, and generally contributes to killing me even though I do not smoke. I've never been one to tell people that they are offending me, but this is a matter of my personal health. It would probably bother you if I peed in your drink. However, my urine is sterile and doesn't cause health difficulties for you. Explain to me how this is worse than your cigarette smoke. I've always accepted the smoke as part of what I had to put up with in order to enjoy music. The fact that people can't quit chain-smoking rather than just one or two now contributes to me having to cut back on going out, cut back on my gigs, and choose carefully when I can take my evenings out. It's obvious that you are not the person who will only smoke one or two by your rants concerning air pollution. Sorry for my rant, but don't be so self-righteous.

[joe]

Don't have any fresh ones here, hoping locals will add to the list.
Coop's place, according to Andrei Kodresciou on NPR, is now smoke free, so at least one can have a late night drink and snack
stink free on Decatur.

Amen on the last couple replies. Think I heard the amount of smoke an employee or patron gets over a few hours of heavy second-hand is more like a portion of a pack; the sidestream smoke somehow is even more toxic than the fresh draw - more CO and other nasties.

[sophisticated sissy]

Two sides to every coin, I suppose.

Club owners could be required to spring for smoke mitigation units for the venues they own.



Staxsun, if you think what I have posted here is a rant, you don't want to hear my positions on global warming, U.S. foreign & energy policy, Darfur, and the Pakistan/N. Korea/ Iran nuclear pipeline!

I guess having legislation on the books regarding the ban on public smoking gives folks the sense that, since they are micro-managing their lives, they have some sort of control. I think if as many people were as fired up over poverty, lack of access to health care, education and violent crime as they are about public smoking, we'd have a better society in which to live. Just my opinion, though.

As a libertarian, I want the government out of my life as much as possible when it comes to making ordinary choices. I'm not saying smoking is a good thing. This has been a well-publicized fact in the U.S. since at least 1964 when the Surgeon General made an announcement regarding the ill-effects of the noxious weed.

Of course, we all know that wearing a seatbelt while driving helps to save lives. However, I do not think there should be laws regarding the use of them. If people want to frequent non-smoking establishments, I think it's great to have them!

When it comes to smoking in public, folks should vote with their feet and wallets. If performers object to working in smoking venues, then perhaps they could organize a grass-roots boycott and refuse to play in places that allow smoking.

Anyway, I think their are much larger issues to be concerned with on the world stage in this day and age.


Oh, and by the way, Staxsun, do not ever try to use my beverage as a urinal; you might be called Mr. Stubbs for the rest of your life.:D

[Staxsun]

Two sides to every coin, I suppose.

Club owners could be required to spring for smoke mitigation units for the venues they own.



Staxsun, if you think what I have posted here is a rant, you don't want to hear my positions on global warming, U.S. foreign & energy policy, Darfur, and the Pakistan/N. Korea/ Iran nuclear pipeline!

I guess having legislation on the books regarding the ban on public smoking gives folks the sense that, since they are micro-managing their lives, they have some sort of control. I think if as many people were as fired up over poverty, lack of access to health care, education and violent crime as they are about public smoking, we'd have a better society in which to live. Just my opinion, though.

As a libertarian, I want the government out of my life as much as possible when it comes to making ordinary choices. I'm not saying smoking is a good thing. This has been a well-publicized fact in the U.S. since at least 1964 when the Surgeon General made an announcement regarding the ill-effects of the noxious weed.

Of course, we all know that wearing a seatbelt while driving helps to save lives. However, I do not think there should be laws regarding the use of them. If people want to frequent non-smoking establishments, I think it's great to have them!

When it comes to smoking in public, folks should vote with their feet and wallets. If performers object to working in smoking venues, then perhaps they could organize a grass-roots boycott and refuse to play in places that allow smoking.

Anyway, I think their are much larger issues to be concerned with on the world stage in this day and age.


Oh, and by the way, Staxsun, do not ever try to use my beverage as a urinal; you might be called Mr. Stubbs for the rest of your life.:D

I suspect you and I may agree about an awful lot of things. I agree there are far more important things, and I will join you in working towards them. I'm not spending my time pushing for smoking bans. Just remember that everything you do in this life effects other people, be it laying a pipeline, dumping in the ocean, or lighting up in a closed space. Peace.

[Frosty]

Two sides to every coin, I suppose.

Club owners could be required to spring for smoke mitigation units for the venues they own.



Staxsun, if you think what I have posted here is a rant, you don't want to hear my positions on global warming, U.S. foreign & energy policy, Darfur, and the Pakistan/N. Korea/ Iran nuclear pipeline!

I guess having legislation on the books regarding the ban on public smoking gives folks the sense that, since they are micro-managing their lives, they have some sort of control. I think if as many people were as fired up over poverty, lack of access to health care, education and violent crime as they are about public smoking, we'd have a better society in which to live. Just my opinion, though.

As a libertarian, I want the government out of my life as much as possible when it comes to making ordinary choices. I'm not saying smoking is a good thing. This has been a well-publicized fact in the U.S. since at least 1964 when the Surgeon General made an announcement regarding the ill-effects of the noxious weed.

Of course, we all know that wearing a seatbelt while driving helps to save lives. However, I do not think there should be laws regarding the use of them. If people want to frequent non-smoking establishments, I think it's great to have them!

When it comes to smoking in public, folks should vote with their feet and wallets. If performers object to working in smoking venues, then perhaps they could organize a grass-roots boycott and refuse to play in places that allow smoking.

Anyway, I think their are much larger issues to be concerned with on the world stage in this day and age.


Oh, and by the way, Staxsun, do not ever try to use my beverage as a urinal; you might be called Mr. Stubbs for the rest of your life.:D

As I used to tell my friend in college every time he lit up, "The Republican Party thanks you."

[ohio]

Though I am a smoker, I think the 'right' thing to do is to be considerate of others. That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments. And some entertainers do demand "no smoking" during their performances, and get it! And that is fine. Smokers can choose to go or not.
The whole issue is reactionary. The main cause of breathing problems for non-smokers is air pollution caused by power plant, factory & vehicle emissions, yet there are no ballot issues springing up across the nation to stop those emissions. In fact the current administration in Washington has acted to try to remove existing standards on industrial and power plant emissions. We all know why; those industries have the more powerful lobbyists. They can be defeated though, just as the big tobacco has. So, those of you indignant about smokers, why not bring those sources to task as smoking has been?

Next up: alcohol consumption! The biggest drug problem in the nation, causes liver disease, lowers the immune system, leads to higher cancer rates, not to mention the 16,000/year alcohol related deaths in automobiles, and fetal alcohol syndrome. A '97 NIH report says "Alcohol-related illness and injury take "a personal, social, and economic toll on the American people--an estimated 100,000 lives and $184.6 billion annually". A '93 report from the AMA says "Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the US, after tobacco and diet/activity patterns". Oooops, I forgot about dietary practices..................

A slippery slope my friends, a slippery slope.

[ohio]

As I used to tell my friend in college every time he lit up, "The Republican Party thanks you."The Republicans in Ohio passed the recent smoking ban.

[Frosty]

Though I am a smoker, I think the 'right' thing to do is to be considerate of others. That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments. And some entertainers do demand "no smoking" during their performances, and get it! And that is fine. Smokers can choose to go or not.
The whole issue is reactionary. The main cause of breathing problems for non-smokers is air pollution caused by power plant, factory & vehicle emissions, yet there are no ballot issues springing up across the nation to stop those emissions. In fact the current administration in Washington has acted to try to remove existing standards on industrial and power plant emissions. We all know why; those industries have the more powerful lobbyists. They can be defeated though, just as the big tobacco has. So, those of you indignant about smokers, why not bring those sources to task as smoking has been?

Next up: alcohol consumption! The biggest drug problem in the nation, causes liver disease, lowers the immune system, leads to higher cancer rates, not to mention the 16,000/year alcohol related deaths in automobiles, and fetal alcohol syndrome. A '97 NIH report says "Alcohol-related illness and injury take "a personal, social, and economic toll on the American people--an estimated 100,000 lives and $184.6 billion annually". A '93 report from the AMA says "Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the US, after tobacco and diet/activity patterns". Oooops, I forgot about dietary practices..................

A slippery slope my friends, a slippery slope.



You are confusing legislating what one does to oneself vs. what one does to others. The slope no smoking laws reside on is the same as the slope of assault, battery, etc. where you commit an act against another person. Nobody cares if you smoke in a place away from other people just like nobody cares if you punch a punching bag.


And, check out where the tobacco lobby money goes........

[mangoon]

Though I am a smoker, I think the 'right' thing to do is to be considerate of others. That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments. And some entertainers do demand "no smoking" during their performances, and get it! And that is fine. Smokers can choose to go or not.
The whole issue is reactionary. The main cause of breathing problems for non-smokers is air pollution caused by power plant, factory & vehicle emissions, yet there are no ballot issues springing up across the nation to stop those emissions. In fact the current administration in Washington has acted to try to remove existing standards on industrial and power plant emissions. We all know why; those industries have the more powerful lobbyists. They can be defeated though, just as the big tobacco has. So, those of you indignant about smokers, why not bring those sources to task as smoking has been?

Next up: alcohol consumption! The biggest drug problem in the nation, causes liver disease, lowers the immune system, leads to higher cancer rates, not to mention the 16,000/year alcohol related deaths in automobiles, and fetal alcohol syndrome. A '97 NIH report says "Alcohol-related illness and injury take "a personal, social, and economic toll on the American people--an estimated 100,000 lives and $184.6 billion annually". A '93 report from the AMA says "Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the US, after tobacco and diet/activity patterns". Oooops, I forgot about dietary practices..................

A slippery slope my friends, a slippery slope.


Nicely put ohio.

[ohio]

You are confusing legislating what one does to oneself vs. what one does to others. The slope no smoking laws reside on is the same as the slope of assault, battery, etc. where you commit an act against another person. Nobody cares if you smoke in a place away from other people just like nobody cares if you punch a punching bag.


And, check out where the tobacco lobby money goes........
I understand your point, but cost of health care for smokers has always been sighted by anti-smoking proponents...just as the health care and other peripheral costs of drug abuse (crime in the form of theft, child endangerment etc) has.

not that I'm not adverse to either as a pastime...

[mangoon]

You are confusing legislating what one does to oneself vs. what one does to others. The slope no smoking laws reside on is the same as the slope of assault, battery, etc. where you commit an act against another person. Nobody cares if you smoke in a place away from other people just like nobody cares if you punch a punching bag.


And, check out where the tobacco lobby money goes........

''The whole issue is reactionary. The main cause of breathing problems for non-smokers is air pollution caused by power plant, factory & vehicle emissions, yet there are no ballot issues springing up across the nation to stop those emissions. In fact the current administration in Washington has acted to try to remove existing standards on industrial and power plant emissions''

Why wouldn't this be on the same slope as assault ,battery ,etc. You could make a pretty good arguement that these emissions are committing an act against all of us.

[ohio]

I think the point was about drinking alcohol.
But you are correct about pollution!

[Azeater]

I see nothing wrong with the individual owner of a bar, restaurant, night club, etc. making a conscious decision to allow or not allow smoking in his/her establishment. Customers have a right as to whether or not to give the establishment their business and workers have a right as to whether or not to seek employment in their business. If a business decides to allow for a smoking and a non-smoking area it is their responsibility to meet air standards in the non-smoking part of the business and I believe a right exists to regulate that air quality.

I have a huge problem with industrial emissions that one does not have an ability to say yes or no to. That is where one can justly say an invasion of one’s rights is taking place.

Now I think I will go have a tarmini.

[ohio]

I see nothing wrong with the individual owner of a bar, restaurant, night club, etc. making a conscious decision to allow or not allow smoking in his/her establishment. Customers have a right as to whether or not to give the establishment their business and workers have a right as to whether or not to seek employment in their business. If a business decides to allow for a smoking and a non-smoking area it is their responsibility to meet air standards in the non-smoking part of the business and I believe a right exists to regulate that air quality.

I have a huge problem with industrial emissions that one does not have an ability to say yes or no to. That is where one can justly say an invasion of one’s rights is taking place.

Now I think I will go have a tarmini.I'd join ya, Bob, but my truck is frozen to my driveway...

[Azeater]

LOL. Don't go licking any pipes.

[joe]

quoting:
"That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments."

Yeah, where do we get off telling them to keep their emergency exits unlocked during indoor fireworks displays, and to test their refrigerator temperatures, should they decide to store their seafood and meat in such a unit. It's all about choice --

[ohio]

quoting:
"That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments."

Yeah, where do we get off telling them to keep their emergency exits unlocked during indoor fireworks displays, and to test their refrigerator temperatures, should they decide to store their seafood and meat in such a unit. It's all about choice --Yeah, that's how I choose to think.

[bluesgirl]

Though I am a smoker, I think the 'right' thing to do is to be considerate of others. That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments. And some entertainers do demand "no smoking" during their performances, and get it! And that is fine. Smokers can choose to go or not.
The whole issue is reactionary. The main cause of breathing problems for non-smokers is air pollution caused by power plant, factory & vehicle emissions, yet there are no ballot issues springing up across the nation to stop those emissions. In fact the current administration in Washington has acted to try to remove existing standards on industrial and power plant emissions. We all know why; those industries have the more powerful lobbyists. They can be defeated though, just as the big tobacco has. So, those of you indignant about smokers, why not bring those sources to task as smoking has been?

Next up: alcohol consumption! The biggest drug problem in the nation, causes liver disease, lowers the immune system, leads to higher cancer rates, not to mention the 16,000/year alcohol related deaths in automobiles, and fetal alcohol syndrome. A '97 NIH report says "Alcohol-related illness and injury take "a personal, social, and economic toll on the American people--an estimated 100,000 lives and $184.6 billion annually". A '93 report from the AMA says "Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the US, after tobacco and diet/activity patterns". Oooops, I forgot about dietary practices..................

A slippery slope my friends, a slippery slope.


They are going after unhealthy foods now.

I really wish they would let us be a nation of people with sense, instead of trying to legislate sense. The laws about smoking in bars and eating unhealthy foods are just feel good laws the politicians can use to prove that they care about their constituents. I mean, who can be against people being healthier, even if it is by force?

[ozzie]

Though I am a smoker, I think the 'right' thing to do is to be considerate of others. That said, I still think it should be the right of propietors to decide if smoking is allowed in their establishment. No one is forced to go into any particular establishment. In other words, I don't think it's the government's place to make decisions for privately owned establishments. And some entertainers do demand "no smoking" during their performances, and get it! And that is fine. Smokers can choose to go or not.
The whole issue is reactionary. The main cause of breathing problems for non-smokers is air pollution caused by power plant, factory & vehicle emissions, yet there are no ballot issues springing up across the nation to stop those emissions. In fact the current administration in Washington has acted to try to remove existing standards on industrial and power plant emissions. We all know why; those industries have the more powerful lobbyists. They can be defeated though, just as the big tobacco has. So, those of you indignant about smokers, why not bring those sources to task as smoking has been?

Next up: alcohol consumption! The biggest drug problem in the nation, causes liver disease, lowers the immune system, leads to higher cancer rates, not to mention the 16,000/year alcohol related deaths in automobiles, and fetal alcohol syndrome. A '97 NIH report says "Alcohol-related illness and injury take "a personal, social, and economic toll on the American people--an estimated 100,000 lives and $184.6 billion annually". A '93 report from the AMA says "Alcohol contributes to 100,000 deaths annually, making it the third leading cause of preventable mortality in the US, after tobacco and diet/activity patterns". Oooops, I forgot about dietary practices..................

A slippery slope my friends, a slippery slope.


We used to have really good rules (not legislated) regarding smoking in public places. Most of our good (in my book) restaurants are outdoor and the deal was no smoking before 10pm (although most had an outdoor smoking lounge for those who couldn't wait). That way diners were able to enjoy without their senses being offended and we smokers could enjoy that bottle of port (I believe some folk have coffee with that) and a cigarette at the end of a meal. More casual outdoor bistro joints were more lax about smoking at any time and that's where good manners were the key; or not as the case may be.

Smoking indoors and on patrolled beaches has long been banned and we've always had really hefty fines for butt dropping. I guess clubs and pubs have been the real issue. We only have one divey blues bar and while I've always loved it and did smoke there, my brother stopped going years ago 'cos of the smoke. Can't speak for the younguns' clubs.

Anyway... now you can't smoke anywhere. It's the law and it's not ever going to change, but I do believe that if we had stayed on the path of self regulation we could have arrived at a place where most folk could have lived with the results.

And when I get on my soapboax it's to declare that no-one I know has ever smoked a pack and then cleaned up a family on the freeway; got involved in a violent brawl 'cos they'd had too much to smoke; or beat up their wives 'cos that one last cigarette pushed them over the limit. Smoking's bad, yes, but it's not the root of all evil.

[ozzie]

Anyway... the point of this thread is to identify non smoking venues for the information of folk who would enjoy them. I'm glad there are some and hopefully the good folk here will add known smoke free joints to the list.

Joe, you might need to name the venues again.

[Azeater]

Darn right Joe! Let um' contract salmonella and burn up piled against a locked door. That is, after all, what is being discussed here isn’t it?

[brush]

I can't believe the Rock N' Bowl is a non smoking room. Those late nights at the Ponderosa Stomp were pretty hard to get through with my eyes burning and lack of oxygen. I hope that the House Of Blues goes Smoke Free this year! I don't care if people smoke, but I don't like being surrounded by it. Second hand smoke is a drag. I feel sorry for the musicians who've had to suffer playing in smokey rooms forever. I heard Terry Adams from NRBQ has been pretty ill due to playing in clubs for 40 years.

[mightyradgumbo]

It's people with attitudes such as yours that cause us to have to regulate activities. You talk about people being considerate and show us how inconsiderate you feel. All I know is that after years of spending lots of hours in nightclubs as a non-smoker, my cardiologist is requiring me to cut back on doing so. Cigarette smoke causes cancer, it raises my blood pressure, and generally contributes to killing me even though I do not smoke. I've never been one to tell people that they are offending me, but this is a matter of my personal health. It would probably bother you if I peed in your drink. However, my urine is sterile and doesn't cause health difficulties for you. Explain to me how this is worse than your cigarette smoke. I've always accepted the smoke as part of what I had to put up with in order to enjoy music. The fact that people can't quit chain-smoking rather than just one or two now contributes to me having to cut back on going out, cut back on my gigs, and choose carefully when I can take my evenings out. It's obvious that you are not the person who will only smoke one or two by your rants concerning air pollution. Sorry for my rant, but don't be so self-righteous.

Stax, bad example, bro. I think in some environments (none here in Massachusetts) smoking is still legal. Taking a leak in someone's drink...not so much in any environment.

[luvdancin]

I feel sorry for the musicians who've had to suffer playing in smokey rooms forever. I heard Terry Adams from NRBQ has been pretty ill due to playing in clubs for 40 years.

Some musicians are putting their foot (feet) down on smoking. I was at an outdoor concert with Maria Muldaur who made it quite clear that her livelihood depended on her voice and she did not want anyone smoking near her. And once Beausoleil refused to get on stage for an hour at a club until the smoke was cleared out of the room.

[brush]

Everyone thought California was crazy passing Anti-Smoking in Nightclubs. Its made going out to a show a much more pleasant experience. I've heard smokers admit its much a better with being stuck in a smoke filled room. New Yorkers complained alot at first when the Anti-smokering laws were passed there. The Weather is a lot worse there, but it seems to have caught on. I do think some of the Anti-Smoking laws at the Beach and Parks are a little extreme, but there seem to be a lot less cigarette smoking going on. Maybe it'll save some lifes.

[mangoon]

It's been a law here in Nyc for about 5 years now, and while it was annoying to me at first, going outside to smoke at bars and such just seems natural now. As a smoker I have had those nights where a bar was so smokey it was even repulsive to me, so I can only imagine how bad it was to non smokers. I'd prefer to let bars make the choice to be smoking or non smoking themselves, and to allow us as customers to make the decision where we chose to go based on that, but that does not seem to be the way things work anymore. So if it was a law passed across the board, I really couldn't complain.

[joe]

So far just these confirmed:

Columns Hotel (you may smoke at tables outside and still hear music playing in either front room; that's the reverse of what we did when they allowed smoking!)

Mid City Lanes Rock'n'Bowl

any restaurant and/or hotel that also books live music

Hoping locals can add to this list.

[tangledupinblue]

What are we smoking in here?

[mangoon]

So far just these confirmed:

Columns Hotel (you may smoke at tables outside and still hear music playing in either front room; that's the reverse of what we did when they allowed smoking!)

Mid City Lanes Rock'n'Bowl

any restaurant and/or hotel that also books live music

Hoping locals can add to this list.

The Sheridan(sp) on Canal had some pretty awsome after fest shows last year Big Sam etc. So I think they are on the list.

[swag]

The Sheridan(sp) on Canal

Sheraton. 500 Canal St.

[sophisticated sissy]

I suspect you and I may agree about an awful lot of things. I agree there are far more important things, and I will join you in working towards them. I'm not spending my time pushing for smoking bans. Just remember that everything you do in this life effects other people, be it laying a pipeline, dumping in the ocean, or lighting up in a closed space. Peace.


Me, too, stax! I just wish all bars that were non-smoking were that way because the owners, employees, entertainers, and clients wanted it that way. I don't think it would be a bad thing if more places were non-smoking.

You may find it hard to believe, but I can't stand to stay in smoking rooms in hotels because they stink so bad. I usually request non-smoking rooms when I travel, and I don't smoke in them. My husband is a non-smoker, and he is very patient about my bad habit, so I try to be as considerate as I can about my noxious cloud. If my smoking bothers anyone in a public place , I certainly want to hear about it right away. I don't want to be inconsiderate or obnoxious. I may have a right to light up, but that certainly does not give me the right to stink up the air for everyone else.

About a year ago, the entire Westin chain became non-smoking. This was due to the demographic needs of their client base. I guess they had very few smokers and, as a result, had unsold rooms due to some of them being designated as smoking rooms in the hotel. I think it's a good thing.

It would be a better world if nobody smoked. I like to think that most smokers exercise common sense and courtesy in regard to other patrons, so if somone's smoke bothers you when you're out in public, please, by all means, speak up. Even I am offended by 2nd hand smoke!

Peace & Best wishes.

[NeenAtlanta]

I find the scent of many grooming products, such as perfume and hairspray, highly offensive, but I do not expect users of such products to be placed in a designated section, or to have laws enacted against them for the use of the products.

Thanks for bringing this issue up. I am allergeic to any floral perfumes or men's colognes, or candles, etc.. It causes my throat to dry up and close up and I start coughing/choking. It's amazing how often I have to deal with this in every day life.

I can't seem to go to a movie or a play or anyplace where I need to sit close to people, without being suffocated by all of the scents people are wearing. My office is officially "scent-free" per our handbook, but people douse themselves anyway. I've had to get up and leave meetings when it gets too bad.

I'm not saying this needs to be legislated or anything, I just have to deal with it. But if you reach to give me a hug, don't be offended if I have to back off if you are wearing perfume.

[LaTiDa]

[QUOTE=brush;26065] I don't care if people smoke, but I don't like being surrounded by it. Second hand smoke is a drag. I feel sorry for the musicians who've had to suffer playing in smokey rooms forever. QUOTE]

... and the bartenders, and cocktail waitresses and dealers.

I know I've come in late in the arguement but this is a huge topic here in Atlantic City (where I work) right now. If anyone has been following, The State of NJ enacted a smoking ban in every public place in the state except for on casino floors (you still can not smoke in casino restaurants and bars that do not include gambling in the room but this part is really not understood by the patrons who continue to light up in elevators, hallways, bathrooms etc.). Basically what the powers that be said was some people are worth protecting and others? ... well, money talks. Even more recently, AC's elected officials had the chance to rectify this "smoke hole" but chose to "compromise" by allowing the casino's to designate a maximum of 25% to smoking customers... money talks again. Somebody still has to work these rooms don't they? Who's protecting them?

Yes, yes I know we picked an occupation that traditionallly goes hand in hand with smoking (drinking and gambling) but if legislation is going to protect people from second hand smoke then it should be all the people.

[ohio]

Thanks for bringing this issue up. I am allergeic to any floral perfumes or men's colognes, or candles, etc.. It causes my throat to dry up and close up and I start coughing/choking. It's amazing how often I have to deal with this in every day life.

I can't seem to go to a movie or a play or anyplace where I need to sit close to people, without being suffocated by all of the scents people are wearing. My office is officially "scent-free" per our handbook, but people douse themselves anyway. I've had to get up and leave meetings when it gets too bad.

I'm not saying this needs to be legislated or anything, I just have to deal with it. But if you reach to give me a hug, don't be offended if I have to back off if you are wearing perfume.Me too. I suppose that's what an asthma attack feels like.

[Mardigrasbaby35]

To add to the list - Foundation Room at the House of Blues an La Cote Bar (the bar at teh Rennassiance arts) - basically, if it hasn't already been stated, the new law in La requires that any "bar" that is connected to a restaraunt which is not free standing must now be smoke free (i.e. bar must be stand alone)- also, HOB shows are dependant upon the artist in many cases, if the artist requests no smoking (as many do now) than its a non-smoking venue - for you lawyer types out there, you can find more info (including the statute's language at http://www.tobaccofreeliving.org/home/section/18/)

[NeenAtlanta]

Me too. I suppose that's what an asthma attack feels like.

Yup, that's what the beginning of an asthma attack feels like.

I've had to get up and leave in the middle of plays, movies, etc. because I couldn't breathe. Major bummer, huh?

[stlbarb]

Thanks for bringing this issue up. I am allergeic to any floral perfumes or men's colognes, or candles, etc.. It causes my throat to dry up and close up and I start coughing/choking. It's amazing how often I have to deal with this in every day life.

I can't seem to go to a movie or a play or anyplace where I need to sit close to people, without being suffocated by all of the scents people are wearing. My office is officially "scent-free" per our handbook, but people douse themselves anyway. I've had to get up and leave meetings when it gets too bad.

I'm not saying this needs to be legislated or anything, I just have to deal with it. But if you reach to give me a hug, don't be offended if I have to back off if you are wearing perfume.

i even use unscented deodorant. i have not been able to find unscented hair gel that is also alcohol free (dries hair/strips color). but that scent usually wears off quickly.
the large markers they use on the flip charts at meetings but off a terrible chemical smell that bothers many. whenever we get new carpet at work, i have a headache for about 6 months.

[ohio]

Yup, that's what the beginning of an asthma attack feels like.

I've had to get up and leave in the middle of plays, movies, etc. because I couldn't breathe. Major bummer, huh?Uh huh. I have to change seats at clubs and movies too. I actually don't mind the scent usually, but do the effect.

[NeenAtlanta]

i even use unscented deodorant. i have not been able to find unscented hair gel that is also alcohol free (dries hair/strips color). but that scent usually wears off quickly.
the large markers they use on the flip charts at meetings but off a terrible chemical smell that bothers many. whenever we get new carpet at work, i have a headache for about 6 months.

Oh man, I can sympathize. We moved to a new office (all new carpet, paint, etc.) about 2 years ago. I wound up having to work from home for a couple of weeks until all of the lingering chemical fumes died down.

[Festvet]

i smoke when i drink (no comments on how much i drink), but i hate coming home from a club all stinky. when my hair was long, it would be so digusting when it smelled like an ashtray. so when possible, i go outside to smoke (hard to do here when its below freezing) - and i wont smoke in a tight crowd so people dont have to leave their good viewing spot to avoid my smoke. a little common courtesy goes a long way.

now most perfumes absolutely gag me - i'd rather smell farts.
I find any brand of perfume/cologne highly offensive. I don't even notice secondhand smoke. Common sense/courtesy should apply in any crowd situation. To ban smoking completely in bars/nightclubs is ridiculous.

[joe]

I find any brand of perfume/cologne highly offensive. I don't even notice secondhand smoke.

Maybe my circumstance is unique, and I am the only one who can say this: many times I've come home for several days in a row, after attending a smoking event, to be hit full force by the lingering second-hand on my OVERCOAT -- seems to take the better part of a week to disperse. Never brought home perfume that was detectable later, (except once, and I had to be really creative about how that was picked up.)

Can we just admit, like the tobacco corporations finally did, that second hand smoke is dangerous - to waitstaff, musicians, attendees, everyone and there is no scientific doubt here; it's settled. Plus it stinks, burns the eyes, fouls clothing and sticks to us like stink on s***. It's probably worse for children and pregnant women. Finally acknowledging this basic fact has governments and institutions wordwide adjusting, late though they are, to public health needs through democratic action. Tobacco corporation lobby is no longer able to subvert the public will, and they use some poor addicted smokers as their last line of argument. Hotel chains are going 100% smoke free ---- Marriott and all their assorted brands the latest --- Ireland,
even, smoke free. Everywhere, eventually. Would seem better to be ahead of the curve here than dragged kicking and screaming into inevitable reality, while making the air miserable for your fellow citizens.

Yeah, I've also lost a couple close relatives to tobacco.

[stlbarb]

Can't argue the health issues.
but put your coat on a hangar and put it outside - hopefully in a breeze - and within a number of hours* it will be de-smoked. *depends upon the fabric and exposure. the BF does this successfully with coats, jeans & sweaters.

[SkyeDragon]

I still have a vivid memory of a Marcia Ball and Dr. John show at Tip's. The crowd was SRO and packed to the walls. The music was fabulous, however, the droid behind me lit up a huge cigar and passed several others to nearby friends. The overwhelming stench caused my stomach to roil. I hate having to pay attention to not barfing while listening to music.:-P

[dank_bass]

What about the musicians? Should they be able to smoke? MANY musicians I see like to smoke while they're playing?

Just havin some fun as devils advocate

[Frosty]

What about the musicians? Should they be able to smoke? MANY musicians I see like to smoke while they're playing?

Just havin some fun as devils advocate

I bet many have to pee too! Should it be OK for them to do it onstage?

Just another Devil's advocate......

[NYMAMA]

Point Frosty

[ohio]

I've seen musicians and sound techs smoking at NO SMOKING venues....

[stlbarb]

I bet many have to pee too! Should it be OK for them to do it onstage?

Just another Devil's advocate......

Depends....

[sophisticated sissy]

Well, it seems like we all at least agree that smoking is not the healthiest choice a person can make, and that pissing on stage may be a tabu, and that many of us are sensitive to perfume and other grooming products.

My grandmother forbade the use of all tobacco products in her house- along with cards, alcohol, music and dancing- and made her husband of 63 years go out on the front porch for a cigar. He only lived to see 85. Maybe he might've lived longer if grandma hadn't been so strict.

I remember seeing baseball players and managers, like Sparky Anderson, for example, with a big, ol' wad in their cheeks on network televison. You can be pretty sure it wasn't Bazooka bubblegum.

In light of the 2nd hand smoke issue, how do you feel about dipping snuff and chewing tobacco? These products eliminate the by-product that is found to be offensive by many.

Of course, the venues would have to install and maintain spitoons. I'm sure that in the course of an evening of music, cards, dancing and numerous libations, many of these could be accidentally tipped over by a hapless patron. This could make the slippery slope even more slippery, and result in the staining of fine fabrics. :)

[joe]

as long as everyone else doesn't have to breathe it in, why not? I'm sure there are some ipod type containers to be discreet into.
Patch and gum may help get you through the set indoors, and there's always the outdoor smoking section -- NYC, California, Mpls, etc. all have the 'doorway clubs' puffing away and ready to tell you that their clothes and hair are way fresher this way!

[stlbarb]

Well, it seems like we all at least agree that smoking is not the healthiest choice a person can make, and that pissing on stage may be a tabu, and that many of us are sensitive to perfume and other grooming products.

My grandmother forbade the use of all tobacco products in her house- along with cards, alcohol, music and dancing- and made her husband of 63 years go out on the front porch for a cigar. He only lived to see 85. Maybe he might've lived longer if grandma hadn't been so strict.

I remember seeing baseball players and managers, like Sparky Anderson, for example, with a big, ol' wad in their cheeks on network televison. You can be pretty sure it wasn't Bazooka bubblegum.

In light of the 2nd hand smoke issue, how do you feel about dipping snuff and chewing tobacco? These products eliminate the by-product that is found to be offensive by many.

Of course, the venues would have to install and maintain spitoons. I'm sure that in the course of an evening of music, cards, dancing and numerous libations, many of these could be accidentally tipped over by a hapless patron. This could make the slippery slope even more slippery, and result in the staining of fine fabrics. :)


you all aint from the midwest are ya? lots of chewers around here. they spit into soda bottles or cups. its gross to look at, and yes smells somewhat like bong water.

and chewing gum on the bottom of my shoe yuck!

i also do not believe in throwing cig butts on the floor or ground. they look awful and i hate them under fott when trying to dance. exception is the curb if you know the street cleaner schedule. but not thrown from cars. (i am an occassional smoker - when i drink alcohol)

[Amy Winette]

Maybe my circumstance is unique, and I am the only one who can say this: many times I've come home for several days in a row, after attending a smoking event, to be hit full force by the lingering second-hand on my OVERCOAT -- seems to take the better part of a week to disperse. Never brought home perfume that was detectable later, (except once, and I had to be really creative about how that was picked up.)

Can we just admit, like the tobacco corporations finally did, that second hand smoke is dangerous - to waitstaff, musicians, attendees, everyone and there is no scientific doubt here; it's settled. Plus it stinks, burns the eyes, fouls clothing and sticks to us like stink on s***. It's probably worse for children and pregnant women. Finally acknowledging this basic fact has governments and institutions wordwide adjusting, late though they are, to public health needs through democratic action. Tobacco corporation lobby is no longer able to subvert the public will, and they use some poor addicted smokers as their last line of argument. Hotel chains are going 100% smoke free ---- Marriott and all their assorted brands the latest --- Ireland,
even, smoke free. Everywhere, eventually. Would seem better to be ahead of the curve here than dragged kicking and screaming into inevitable reality, while making the air miserable for your fellow citizens.

Yeah, I've also lost a couple close relatives to tobacco.

I usually had to get coats and such dry cleaned when I lived in smoke allowed places. I love Cali . . .

Eyes were driving me NUTS this time in Mardi Gras in NOLA, I'm sure part of it is the smoke just like Las Vegas. And now I have another reason to look for smoke free places in NOLA -- I'm preggie!

[stlbarb]

I usually had to get coats and such dry cleaned when I lived in smoke allowed places. I love Cali . . .

Eyes were driving me NUTS this time in Mardi Gras in NOLA, I'm sure part of it is the smoke just like Las Vegas. And now I have another reason to look for smoke free places in NOLA -- I'm preggie!

Congrats! that was a heck of a Mardi Gras :rolleyes:

Were you in a hotel with new carpet or drapes? those really cause my eyes & nose to go wacky.

[Amy Winette]

We were at fantastic Chez Rooney :)

Actual conception was in Vegas, baby got to come to Mardi Gras without any of us even knowing it (and enjoying hurricanes, etc., etc., scares me but a lot of folks say they were drinking before they knew so hoping it will be okay . . .)

[ozzie]

I usually had to get coats and such dry cleaned when I lived in smoke allowed places. I love Cali . . .

Eyes were driving me NUTS this time in Mardi Gras in NOLA, I'm sure part of it is the smoke just like Las Vegas. And now I have another reason to look for smoke free places in NOLA -- I'm preggie!

Wowza... Congratulations!

Didn't think it would be long with all that baby talk going on! Take good care and congrats again. Yay!!!

[pokerchick66]

We were at fantastic Chez Rooney :)

Actual conception was in Vegas, baby got to come to Mardi Gras without any of us even knowing it (and enjoying hurricanes, etc., etc., scares me but a lot of folks say they were drinking before they knew so hoping it will be okay . . .)

So I guess what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas. ;)


And don't worry about the other, Amy. Trust me, you'll be fine.

[stlbarb]

So I guess what happens in Vegas doesn't always stay in Vegas. ;)


And don't worry about the other, Amy. Trust me, you'll be fine.

the baby's father is Ross Vegas? :p

heck, our mothers drank all 9 months with us, and look how normal we turned out to be.

[stlbarb]

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[bywterbro]

this thread is drifting like smoke on a windy ass day...
heres some more additions...

club 528...i thnk...since they are a restaurant...and are part of harrahs
club 300...i think ..same as above...
rottollos pizza..ditto
margaretaville...ditto...

[bywterbro]

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