Murder in the Quarter.

[marignygreg]

This crap makes me sick. A Quarter resident killed. The Lower Quarter is seriously ignored by the N.O.P.D. , This murder was 2 blocks from Port o call, close to the dog park. I just wish the cops, instead of all shooting the bull in large groups on Bourbon Street, would spread out to the Lower Quarter and Marigny Triangle. I am going to call Major Hosli at the 8th district and bitch. This was not in the middle of the night, it was just before 8:00 p.m.



http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/woman_shot_to_death_in_french.html

[Blitzzzzz]

This crap makes me sick. A Quarter resident killed. The Lower Quarter is seriously ignored by the N.O.P.D. , This murder was 2 blocks from Port o call, close to the dog park. I just wish the cops, instead of all shooting the bull in large groups on Bourbon Street, would spread out to the Lower Quarter and Marigny Triangle. I am going to call Major Hosli at the 8th district and bitch. This was not in the middle of the night, it was just before 8:00 p.m.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/woman_shot_to_death_in_french.html

Not good news, and way too close to my New Orleans home! Good thing this is 97 days out or people would be putting their heads in the sand!:mad:

[marignygreg]

Daytime bartender. Also worked at 9th Circle and the Country Club. Lived on St. Phillip. Was on her way to a movie. supposedly the robbers got no money.Rest in peace.

[marignygreg]

I did not mean to be a buzzkill. It seems many ( "not all" ) who visit this forum do not want to hear about this kind of stuff, gets in the way of the "fantasy/romance" of New Orleans. Just be careful out there. New Orleans is a fantasy town, and that is what makes her special. Just try and keep one foot safely in reality. Off my soapbox....

[rosetree]

I did not mean to be a buzzkill. It seems many ( "not all" ) who visit this forum do not want to hear about this kind of stuff, gets in the way of the "fantasy/romance" of New Orleans. Just be careful out there. New Orleans is a fantasy town, and that is what makes her special. Just try and keep one foot safely in reality. Off my soapbox....

This is just a very sad reality here mg....buzzkill or not.
People have to be very aware of where they are and their surroundings.
Until the mayor and chief of police are replaced and stronger authority figures prevail, we will face this problem everyday.
New Orleans is a lovely lady, but she can be so much more....

[Phatpapa]

This is just a very sad reality here mg....buzzkill or not.
People have to be very aware of where they are and their surroundings.
Until the mayor and chief of police are replaced and stronger authority figures prevail, we will face this problem everyday.
New Orleans is a lovely lady, but she can be so much more....

This is horribly tragic and should not be swept under the rug. If you love New Orleans, you have to take the good and the bad. And yes, watch your back at all times

You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rosie.

Until Nagin and Reily are removed, New Orleans will face extrodinary crime. (at least that seems to be a huge reason) What is it going to take to impeach the mayor anyway??:confused:

[Amy Winette]

It's just slow on the weekend Greg, nothing wrong with posting even the sad news here. We do all need to be aware of our surroundings.

[Blitzzzzz]

Daytime bartender. Also worked at 9th Circle and the Country Club. Lived on St. Phillip. Was on her way to a movie. supposedly the robbers got no money.Rest in peace.

Worse than that, she was shot in the back, purse left on the ground.:mad:

[duende]

Very sad story, and shouldn't happen to anyone, anywhere. we're being joined by 2 newbies this year, and it's scary to think about how perspectives are shaped for people who haven't experienced the overwhelming good about the city. I played a zydeco gig last nite with one of my favorite drummers, and a true Louisiana music fan - who asked if I'd seen the History channel Gangland episode about the Gotti boys (I had - and privately hoped no one else watched it). He's convinced that it's chaos & anarchy outside of the Quarter - and it's difficult to explain how it's a city made up of living neighborhoods, not an amusement park. I personally hope for gainful employment for those that want to work, redemption for the bangers, as unlikely as it may be - and end to the culture of projects, poverty, pandering & pushing.

[Michelino]

It seems many ( "not all" ) who visit this forum do not want to hear about this kind of stuff, gets in the way of the "fantasy/romance" of New Orleans...

Who ever lead you to believe that is wrong, we are not looking to be patronized here...one can appreciate the magic of New Orleans and admire the richness of its culture and still be firmly planted in the real world. And the death of one innocent victim in the French Quarter is just as tragic as any murder of an innocent person that takes place anywhere else in the City. Which means that New Orleans has far more than its share of tragedy to deal with on a daily basis.

Crime and poverty go hand in hand and this has been true forever. Even George Bush, in one of his few moments of clarity, recognized the historic reasons for that poverty in Jackson Square in his post Katrina speech to the nation. Punishment, as necessary as it may be, can go only so far...the prisons in this country are already overflowing in a manner not seen elsewhere in the industrial world.

[CEfromLA]

Also, the sad reality is that bad things can happen at almost any time in almost any major metroploitan area at any time.

There are not enough police anywhere to keep everyone safe all the time and there are bad people everywhere.

You have to take responsibily for your own safety, wherever you are.

I live in Los Angeles and love New Orleans. I wouldn't necessarily walk alone at night (carrying a purse) in either city.

[marignygreg]

Who ever lead you to believe that is wrong, we are not looking to be patronized here...one can appreciate the magic of New Orleans and admire the richness of its culture and still be firmly planted in the real world. And the death of one innocent victim in the French Quarter is just as tragic as any murder of an innocent person that takes place anywhere else in the City. Which means that New Orleans has far more than its share of tragedy to deal with on a daily basis.

Crime and poverty go hand in hand and this has been true forever. Even George Bush, in one of his few moments of clarity, recognized the historic reasons for that poverty in Jackson Square in his post Katrina speech to the nation. Punishment, as necessary as it may be, can go only so far...the prisons in this country are already overflowing in a manner not seen elsewhere in the industrial world.

Did not feel it was wrong, just felt maybe I should not have posted such drastic news on this forum. Most folks can find thier way to Nola.com for the headlines. And yes, every murder is tragic, anywhere!! Some just hit closer to home.

[saturn]

Not good news, and way too close to my New Orleans home! Good thing this is 97 days out or people would be putting their heads in the sand!:mad:

Hey Blitzzz -- were there any murders in the Detroit area this weekend?

None of us is naive - we know these things happen. We just happen to recognize that they don't only happen in New Orleants.

[marignygreg]

This is horribly tragic and should not be swept under the rug. If you love New Orleans, you have to take the good and the bad. And yes, watch your back at all times

You pretty much hit the nail on the head, Rosie.

Until Nagin and Reily are removed, New Orleans will face extrodinary crime. (at least that seems to be a huge reason) What is it going to take to impeach the mayor anyway??:confused:

I wish I could believe that Nagin and Reiley are the problem, but things were bad long before them. Pennington got the numbers down, but I did not feel any safer back then. I closed on my house a day after the L.P.K. murders, by the Mint back in 96 and thought, "what have I gotten myself into". Still one of the greatest days of my life, and I do not regret it at all. I used to live 1 block from Cabrini Green here in Chi-town and am no babe in the woods.
Viva New Orleans.

[Blitzzzzz]

Hey Blitzzz -- were there any murders in the Detroit area this weekend?

None of us is naive - we know these things happen. We just happen to recognize that they don't only happen in New Orleants.

Apparently not. Research shows that the number of official homicides is the lowest in a couple of decades, actually.

However, my comment references the flap that sprang up on this board last spring when some of us took note of the significant upturn in armed robberies occuring in the Quarter just before JazzFest. No time or energy to find that thread, but I'm glad to know there are no naive souls on here, we'll all be that much safer for it!:cool:

[Zydekitten]

I did not mean to be a buzzkill. It seems many ( "not all" ) who visit this forum do not want to hear about this kind of stuff, gets in the way of the "fantasy/romance" of New Orleans. Just be careful out there. New Orleans is a fantasy town, and that is what makes her special. Just try and keep one foot safely in reality. Off my soapbox....
Hi, Greg -

I wouldn't say that this is necessarily an inappropriate posting here, it's always good to be safe and be aware of one's surroundings in any sizable urban environment. You're someone who's lived in, loves New Orleans and wants her to fulfill her magic and promise.

However, my question to you in response to your surmising about why there was rather little activity in this thread is, why did you post it? What were you hoping to achieve? Fearmongering? Caveat emptor? Just a friendly warning?

Those of us who live here (as you yourself have) are are upset and saddened, as we are by the other murders and violent crimes that happen here.

I also felt the same way when I lived in Boston, L.A. and San Francisco - but other than try to conduct myself safely in these cities, and push for better law enforcement, safer neighborhoods and a more effective legal system (as well as better jobs, afterschool programs, etc.) - there's not much I can do.

The early "buzz" has it that this might have been a gang initiation, which was why her purse and money was left alone . . . I was hoping I'd left that crap behind in sunny California, but apparently not. This shite happens everywhere, sadly. :(

Personally, unlike a lot of folks on the Nola.com website - I really don't like masticating the topics of violence here in New Orleans on and on. It just gets everyone scared and unhappy and accomplishes very little. But, that's just my two cents on this, as you'd opened up the topic for discussion.

Sorry to be so long on my own soapbox - as someone who relocated here because I love it, it matters a lot to me also. But I don't feel that instilling fear on the Jazzfest forum necessarily helps. I'm just sayin'

I will say that I'm very glad you're out there, paying attention to what happens down here and that you care as much as you do. Thank you for that. :)

And to folks coming down for Mardi Gras, St. Paddy's Day, Jazzfest - what have you . . . please come, but please also be alert (as we need more lerts), aware and practice safe visting! :D

[marignygreg]

Hi, Greg -

I wouldn't say that this is necessarily an inappropriate posting here, it's always good to be safe and be aware of one's surroundings in any sizable urban environment. You're someone who's lived in, loves New Orleans and wants her to fulfill her magic and promise.

However, my question to you in response to your surmising about why there was rather little activity in this thread is, why did you post it? What were you hoping to achieve? Fearmongering? Caveat emptor? Just a friendly warning?

Those of us who live here (as you yourself have) are are upset and saddened, as we are by the other murders and violent crimes that happen here.

I also felt the same way when I lived in Boston, L.A. and San Francisco - but other than try to conduct myself safely in these cities, and push for better law enforcement, safer neighborhoods and a more effective legal system (as well as better jobs, afterschool programs, etc.) - there's not much I can do.

The early "buzz" has it that this might have been a gang initiation, which was why her purse and money was left alone . . . I was hoping I'd left that crap behind in sunny California, but apparently not. This shite happens everywhere, sadly. :(

Personally, unlike a lot of folks on the Nola.com website - I really don't like masticating the topics of violence here in New Orleans on and on. It just gets everyone scared and unhappy and accomplishes very little. But, that's just my two cents on this, as you'd opened up the topic for discussion.

Sorry to be so long on my own soapbox - as someone who relocated here because I love it, it matters a lot to me also. But I don't feel that instilling fear on the Jazzfest forum necessarily helps. I'm just sayin'

I will say that I'm very glad you're out there, paying attention to what happens down here and that you care as much as you do. Thank you for that. :)

And to folks coming down for Mardi Gras, St. Paddy's Day, Jazzfest - what have you . . . please come, but please also be alert (as we need more lerts), aware and practice safe visting! :D

Just shocked and upset and felt a need to share with my Threadhead family, that is all, just as Tangie did when she posted about her friend who was beaten and robbed walking from O'tools. This murder happened 3 blocks from my houses, in an area I walk by many times a day when I am in town, in other words, that could have been me, or a Threadhead walking back to thier car after dinner at Port o Call. I avoid that area when it gets to late, but at 7:50 at night I prolly would have felt it was safe enough. If I wanted to engage in fearmongering I could post 300 plus times a year for every murder in Orleans Parish, not to mention the daily armed robberies I am made aware of thru Nolacrimeline and emails from the 8th district.
Again, I accept the fact that a post about American Idol or the weather in Chicago is more in line with the jib of this forum, but while were at it lets avoid talk about bad levees, the economy, hurricanes and Nagin. By the way, what does caveat emptor mean?? Time to get out my Threadhead dictionary. ;)

[Blitzzzzz]

I'm glad you posted this. It's crucial that folks are aware of EXACTLY what the risks are at any given moment. There's aware and there's AWARE!
Thanks, Greg.:cool:

[yehyourite]

A quick search of posts....

Murder 229
Idol 220

[Amy Winette]

Maybe I skimmed to quick, but I don't think anyone said not to post this?

Caveat emptor means buyer beware (ie, proceed at your own risk).

[Michelino]

Absolutely appropriate. In my never humble opinion, this may be one of the saner places to discuss real problems that confront New Orleans. Some of those other chat sites are filled with such bigotry, condescencion and juvenile insults that one wonders why someone even bothers to maintain those forums as a going concern.

[Delta]

Not to mention the nutjobs in the comments section on NOLA.com

Some of those people scare me.

[Phatpapa]

Not to mention the nutjobs in the comments section on NOLA.com

Some of those people scare me.


But, at the same time, entertain as well.

[Delta]

But, at the same time, entertain as well.

Absolutely! Even the most innocuous articles have some highly entertaining comments.

[marignygreg]

Maybe I skimmed to quick, but I don't think anyone said not to post this?

Caveat emptor means buyer beware (ie, proceed at your own risk).

Nice, I like that phrase.

[marignygreg]

I'm glad you posted this. It's crucial that folks are aware of EXACTLY what the risks are at any given moment. There's aware and there's AWARE!
Thanks, Greg.:cool:

Thanks, Blitzzzz.

[marignygreg]

Two more shot today at a Martin Luther King, Jr. parade in New Orleans East.

[twangster]

Are you sure about that? There was a couple of shootings in Marrero (non-fatal) but I didn't see anything about murders in New Orleans East.

[ibjamn]

Shot, not murdered in Marrero

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/three_wounded_in_two_shootings.html

[papafrog]

this is why the fest4kidz,tips sunday workshops,youth brassband program
every sat. morning at national historic jazz park, derrick tabs (rebirth)youth program,etc., are so vital to the future of our city...

[fessphan]

this is why the fest4kidz,tips sunday workshops,youth brassband program
every sat. morning at national historic jazz park, derrick tabs (rebirth)youth program,etc., are so vital to the future of our city...

Amen Papa Frog. That's the 1st thing I thought of when I read this awful news. These programs can make a difference. Shammar & Derrick Tabb are Amazing people trying to change things in their city. This video made me so proud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVfkG-rBe1A

R.I.P. Wendy. I was told that you were a Great person.

[papafrog]

a couple of weeks ago a 2 year old child was killed by her father,
and a citywide "strike" was called by silence is violence,
and a coalition of social aid and pleasure clubs....
there was to be a march held that evening in the neighborhood
where the crime was committed....jackson and daneel st. area...central city.
the turnout was around 100 people...altho i was happy to see people
turn out for this, i was really disappointed in the extremely low
attendance.....i did attend, but i really thought there would be
a large turnout...it was well advertised in advance, and the
senseless murder of 2 year old child i thought might stir the
people of new orleans....now i know marches alone cant change
things.....
but i would think that if 10,000 or more people marched, things
might start changing here...
now if we could get half the turnout the saints get for a football game
heads would roll...
maybe we could have an anti crime event before a hornets or saints game.
this needs to be a top priority for the city....
the streets are bad but you can always just drive a little slower..
you can always evacuate be4 a storm...
but you cant escape a holdup, mugging,break in etc...

[papafrog]

and just look how many comments were posted in response to this
article regarding this latest murder...i know the people in this city
are totally disgusted with the crime problem...
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/quarter_mourns_bartender_murde.html

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Amen Papa Frog. That's the 1st thing I thought of when I read this awful news. These programs can make a difference. Shammar & Derrick Tabb are Amazing people trying to change things in their city. This video made me so proud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVfkG-rBe1A

R.I.P. Wendy. I was told that you were a Great person.

ditto that amen!

prayers and thoughts to the victim, her friends, her companion that evening, and all who knew and loved her.

Mr wannabe and I were in the neighborhood that night and around that time. We were wandering the Quarter looking to get a quick bite before catching John Boutte's 7:00 set at d.b.a (not realizing that he wasn't there). We were trying to find Irene's and wandered the length of St Peter as far as Dauphine. We obviously had the wrong address for the restaurant and walked along Dauphine until we got to St Philip and then headed towards Decatur. This was about 6:15. Then, around 7:45 (about the time of the shooting) we left d.b.a intending to walk over to the streetcar stops. As we were crossing Barracks at Decatur we saw a patrol car speeding up Barracks from the French Market. I'm used to seeing patrol cars in the FQ, but I've never seen one that was obviously on it's way to something major.

Then, there were sirens coming from all over FQ. We saw a very small article in the T-P on Saturday that simply said there had been a shooting in the FQ and the victim had died. The realization that we'd been within a couple blocks of that area an hour earlier and a couple blocks from where the gunmen were running at the time of the shooting made me pause for a second.

A much beloved woman is dead. Her companion must be beside himself with grief. Another man was robbed at gunpoint just minutes earlier. Like Mr wannabe and myself, there were thousands of other people in the Quarter at that time who may simply have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Senseless loss of life!!! Truly senseless.


Rest in peace, Wendy Burns.

[ozzie]

Oh my, Wannabe... scary stuff.

I just read some of the comments on TP and quite frankly a lot of those folk scare me to death. I know it's pie in the sky but I so wish the peeps who comment with so much anger and hatred in their hearts and souls would put that energy into the likes of what papafrog talked about.

[marignygreg]

15 year old CHILD turned himself in and confessed to the killing. I'm sure his Mother told him "adults go free in this town for murder, you have nothing to worry about". Sad truth is you CAN get away with murder in New Orleans.

[marignygreg]

Shot, not murdered in Marrero

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/01/three_wounded_in_two_shootings.html

Thanks, Jenn. My bad. that is what I get for listening to those nut jobs in the Nola.com reader comments. Next time I'll check the facts first. I was worked up about the Quarter murder and downing some 16 oz. Icehouses.

[jeanvi]

Oh my, Wannabe... scary stuff.

I just read some of the comments on TP and quite frankly a lot of those folk scare me to death. I know it's pie in the sky but I so wish the peeps who comment with so much anger and hatred in their hearts and souls would put that energy into the likes of what papafrog talked about.

AMEN!! Imagine who that 15 yr. old shooter may have become had he been instroduced to musicians & instruments as opposed to bnagers & guns.

[Frosty]

Very sad story, and shouldn't happen to anyone, anywhere. we're being joined by 2 newbies this year, and it's scary to think about how perspectives are shaped for people who haven't experienced the overwhelming good about the city. I played a zydeco gig last nite with one of my favorite drummers, and a true Louisiana music fan - who asked if I'd seen the History channel Gangland episode about the Gotti boys (I had - and privately hoped no one else watched it). He's convinced that it's chaos & anarchy outside of the Quarter - and it's difficult to explain how it's a city made up of living neighborhoods, not an amusement park. I personally hope for gainful employment for those that want to work, redemption for the bangers, as unlikely as it may be - and end to the culture of projects, poverty, pandering & pushing.

I saw that this weekend as well and wondered if people got the same ideas of chaos and anarchy outside of Disneyland as a result of the piece on the Warlocks that followed. Personally, I agree that the police need to patrol the rest of the Quarter more as it is how people get to and from Bourbon, etc. Bicycle patrols would allow them to cover a lot of ground quickly. This is a terrible tragedy. And as the victim was a resident and not a tourist, I'm sure she did understand and take precautions.

[Frosty]

I wish I could believe that Nagin and Reiley are the problem, but things were bad long before them. Pennington got the numbers down, but I did not feel any safer back then. I closed on my house a day after the L.P.K. murders, by the Mint back in 96 and thought, "what have I gotten myself into". Still one of the greatest days of my life, and I do not regret it at all. I used to live 1 block from Cabrini Green here in Chi-town and am no babe in the woods.
Viva New Orleans.

'Cabrini Green where the mayor sleeps" (sung to Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap)

You didn't live on Orleans did you?

[marignygreg]

My girlfriend lived on Orleans and I lived a block east on North Park off schiller. The L tracks ran outside our window. The first week I lived there I had a knife put to my throat on North Ave. Still the best years of my life.

[Frosty]

My girlfriend lived on Orleans and I lived a block east on North Park off schiller. The L tracks ran outside our window. The first week I lived there I had a knife put to my throat on North Ave. Still the best years of my life.

It sure has changed around there.

[Zydekitten]

15 year old CHILD turned himself in and confessed to the killing. I'm sure his Mother told him "adults go free in this town for murder, you have nothing to worry about". Sad truth is you CAN get away with murder in New Orleans.
And a child care worker in Chicago is being held in the murder of a 16-month old . . . how is that better???

[sophisticated sissy]

Some just hit closer to home.

There were 510 murders in Chicago in 2008, a 14.6% increase over 2007.

It's kind of hard to track down F.B.I. stats for Chicago's violent crimes because the crime of rape is not included in Chicago's reporting statistics for violent crimes.

Detroit still ranks #3, even though there has been a decrease in 2008.

Many larger cities reported a decrease in crime in 2008.

http://www.mashget.com/2009/01/03/homicides-down-in-some-large-us-cities/

Interesting to note that Milwaukee saw a decrease in gun murders for 2008.

There are too many guns in the wrong hands on the street. Get the guns off the street and you will see fewer murders.

Of course, we will still have homicides, but it takes a lot longer to kill somebody when a gun is not involved.

Bottom line, Americans are safer in Downtown Baghdad than they are on Main Street, U.S.A.

[marignygreg]

And a child care worker in Chicago is being held in the murder of a 16-month old . . . how is that better???

I never said it was ??

[marignygreg]

There were 510 murders in Chicago in 2008, a 14.6% increase over 2007.

It's kind of hard to track down F.B.I. stats for Chicago's violent crimes because the crime of rape is not included in Chicago's reporting statistics for violent crimes.

Detroit still ranks #3, even though there has been a decrease in 2008.

Many larger cities reported a decrease in crime in 2008.

http://www.mashget.com/2009/01/03/homicides-down-in-some-large-us-cities/

Interesting to note that Milwaukee saw a decrease in gun murders for 2008.

There are too many guns in the wrong hands on the street. Get the guns off the street and you will see fewer murders.

Of course, we will still have homicides, but it takes a lot longer to kill somebody when a gun is not involved.

Bottom line, Americans are safer in Downtown Baghdad than they are on Main Street, U.S.A.

Yep, big cities have big crime. Chicago is certainly in the mix.

[Lit]

I never said it was ??

Hey Gregg. I am glad you brought this my attention. I discussed it with some friends in my Fest krewe this weekend, as it is very near where we stay in the Marigny and it drove home the point we've been making to one of our newbie friends that there really is nowhere where you can let your guard down.

And I think you have accomplished your apparent goal of getting folks here to think about and discuss it seriously.

Now, today being what it is, perhaps it is time to let your mind ease a bit with some more hopeful thoughts. Heck, maybe even pop in that ol' JT and Joni disc from more hopeful times long ago to help you get in the right frame of mind. You did get the disc, right? Have you listened yet? I think it might be just what the doctor ordered.

[marignygreg]

It sure has changed around there.

Yes it has ! We used to hang out at Olde Town Ale House, Exit, Burton Place, Weeds. Good times. This was late 80's early 90's when three roomies could rent a nice place for under a grand.

[innertube]

"It's kind of hard to track down F.B.I. stats for Chicago's violent crimes because the crime of rape is not included in Chicago's reporting statistics for violent crimes."

What???

[marignygreg]

Hey Gregg. I am glad you brought this my attention. I discussed it with some friends in my Fest krewe this weekend, as it is very near where we stay in the Marigny and it drove home the point we've been making to one of our newbie friends that there really is nowhere where you can let your guard down.

And I think you have accomplished your apparent goal of getting folks here to think about and discuss it seriously.

Now, today being what it is, perhaps it is time to let your mind ease a bit with some more hopeful thoughts. Heck, maybe even pop in that ol' JT and Joni disc from more hopeful times long ago to help you get in the right frame of mind. You did get the disc, right? Have you listened yet? I think it might be just what the doctor ordered.

Ha, thanks Lit, and I am feeling much better today and would love to see this thread drop.
No disc yet, but the mail was slow cause of M.L.K. day and I'm hoping it comes today. I am enjoying The Milwaukee shows at the old Mecca from 89 on Archive.org ( Dead ) and yes, feeling mighty hopefull with W on his way to Texas.

[Lit]

Ha, thanks Lit, and I am feeling much better today and would love to see this thread drop.
No disc yet, but the mail was slow cause of M.L.K. day and I'm hoping it comes today. I am enjoying The Milwaukee shows at the old Mecca from 89 on Archive.org ( Dead ) and yes, feeling mighty hopefull with W on his way to Texas.

Bummer. I mailed it last Tuesday, so that is pretty darn slow. Oh well, let me know when you get it, and I'm glad you're feeling better and more hopeful in any event.

[Frosty]

And a child care worker in Chicago is being held in the murder of a 16-month old . . . how is that better???

One, that is not Chicago. Lincolnshire is to Chicago what Slidell would be to New Orleans if we are talking distance. Probably further. Two, seeing a person so overwhelmed they emotionally snap in the moment is far different than someone who decides to get a gun to go out and point it at peoples' heads. Three, where did the conversation arise concerning one murder being "better" than another. The only conversation I saw was one of concern for safety in places we all hang out. The murder in Lincolnshire is not a safety concern for people who live in and visit the area. It is not part of a crime spree that people in that area face every week of the year. It is, however, a horror to anybody who has ever left their child in the hands of another. Be it a daycare worker, a family member, or a spouse. It brings about incredibly troubling questions about what point exists within each of us where we become so overwhelmed in a moment that we take one single action that steals the life from a child. That is a far different issue than the safety concerns of people on this board.

[sophisticated sissy]

"It's kind of hard to track down F.B.I. stats for Chicago's violent crimes because the crime of rape is not included in Chicago's reporting statistics for violent crimes."

What???

According to the U.C.R. (Uniform Crime Report) of the F.B.I.:

3 >>>The data collection methodology for the offense of forcible rape used by the Illinois (with the exception of Rockford, Illinois) state UCR Program does not comply with national UCR Program guidelines. Consequently, their figures for forcible rape and violent crime (of which forcible rape is a part) are not published in this Report.<<<


http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/2008prelim/table_4.html

[Zydekitten]

One, that is not Chicago. Lincolnshire is to Chicago what Slidell would be to New Orleans if we are talking distance. Probably further. Two, seeing a person so overwhelmed they emotionally snap in the moment is far different than someone who decides to get a gun to go out and point it at peoples' heads. Three, where did the conversation arise concerning one murder being "better" than another. The only conversation I saw was one of concern for safety in places we all hang out. The murder in Lincolnshire is not a safety concern for people who live in and visit the area. It is not part of a crime spree that people in that area face every week of the year. It is, however, a horror to anybody who has ever left their child in the hands of another. Be it a daycare worker, a family member, or a spouse. It brings about incredibly troubling questions about what point exists within each of us where we become so overwhelmed in a moment that we take one single action that steals the life from a child. That is a far different issue than the safety concerns of people on this board.
I would agree with you and that's one reason people down here didn't take to the streets in masses when that horrific murder of the toddler down here recently - it was his father who had killed him rather than pay back child support to his mother.

My point being, what true and lasting benefit does this thread or threads of this sort on this forum serve? I'm thankful that there are folks that care and mourn over the violence in this city, parish, state, and country, as I do. I very much agree with many such as PapaFrog that we need to create venues, programs and lives that give people hope rather than desperation and no resort other than crime. I pray that the hope engendered by today's events in D.C. can filter down to N.O. and help do that.

But I guess I hear enough about the crime in my city from the local televsion stations and the Times-Picayune (well, somewhat - in their case). I know it's dangerous here. I know folks are having a hard time here. Yes, maybe I do want to have a wee bit of joy and escapism on this bored . . . so, I guess I'll have to just stick to other threads here.

ZKitten out.

[Frosty]

I would agree with you and that's one reason people down here didn't take to the streets in masses when that horrific murder of the toddler down here recently - it was his father who had killed him rather than pay back child support to his mother.

My point being, what true and lasting benefit does this thread or threads of this sort on this forum serve? I'm thankful that there are folks that care and mourn over the violence in this city, parish, state, and country, as I do. I very much agree with many such as PapaFrog that we need to create venues, programs and lives that give people hope rather than desperation and no resort other than crime. I pray that the hope engendered by today's events in D.C. can filter down to N.O. and help do that.

But I guess I hear enough about the crime in my city from the local televsion stations and the Times-Picayune (well, somewhat - in their case). I know it's dangerous here. I know folks are having a hard time here. Yes, maybe I do want to have a wee bit of joy and escapism on this bored . . . so, I guess I'll have to just stick to other threads here.

But, this is a place for escapism but not for burying our heads in the sand. Most readers on this forum live New Orleans through it. The good, the bad, the ugly. We love the city. When something like this happens it is shocking and sad and hits home as it could have been any one of us. What is escapism is that this is a different place where it can be discussed rationally. Look at the comments you see in the Times versus here. I come here plenty to get away from the "let it sink" mentality that exists everywhere else when New Orleans comes up. But, that doesn't mean I don't want to read about it when something negative happens. Id much prefer for it to be discussed on this forum where people have caring and compassion. I read the article first in the TP and my first thought was if somebody here would post that they knew the victim. I had immediate concern and looked for a thread here. I am glad it was not anybody's family or friend on here but am saddened it happened. I am sorry about how this thread frustrates/saddens you. We are all saddened here. That is why people here try to make a difference. And keep coming back. The violence not only destroys lives, it anguishes families and friends, and creates fear and sadness in the greater community. All for a few $$$. I only hope and pray things get better. Then we won't have these kinds of posts.

[jonnygospeltent]

The feeling of helplessness is hard to admit to. I like to pride myself in that I'm 6'5 ,have taken boxing lessons for a long time and live in a rather dicey neighborhood,where I learned urban survival skills,but it doesn't mean ^%$# when a 15 year old has a gun and no qualms at all about using it.

[marignygreg]

I would agree with you and that's one reason people down here didn't take to the streets in masses when that horrific murder of the toddler down here recently - it was his father who had killed him rather than pay back child support to his mother.

My point being, what true and lasting benefit does this thread or threads of this sort on this forum serve? I'm thankful that there are folks that care and mourn over the violence in this city, parish, state, and country, as I do. I very much agree with many such as PapaFrog that we need to create venues, programs and lives that give people hope rather than desperation and no resort other than crime. I pray that the hope engendered by today's events in D.C. can filter down to N.O. and help do that.

But I guess I hear enough about the crime in my city from the local televsion stations and the Times-Picayune (well, somewhat - in their case). I know it's dangerous here. I know folks are having a hard time here. Yes, maybe I do want to have a wee bit of joy and escapism on this bored . . . so, I guess I'll have to just stick to other threads here.

ZKitten out.

If you do not like the title of the thread, just ignore it. We should be able to feel comfortable enough on this forum to post as we please. As someone who has been on this board 8 plus years, I have seen many subjects broached with little or no "lasting benefit". If we stuck to that criterion it would get mighty boring around here.
For the record we filled up 24 pages last time we were on this subject ( "good friend attacked in French Quarter ), so I guess the need to vent/discuss is there.
Back to being relaxed and hopeful.

[MormonMatthew]

The feeling of helplessness is hard to admit to. I like to pride myself in that I'm 6'5 ,have taken boxing lessons for a long time and live in a rather dicey neighborhood,where I learned urban survival skills,but it doesn't mean ^%$# when a 15 year old has a gun and no qualms at all about using it.

Hey Now Jonny--- If would be troublemakers crossing your path knew you were a postal worker who hasnt had a drink for 20 days, they might think twice before giving you any S#!@......

[Zydekitten]

If you do not like the title of the thread, just ignore it. We should be able to feel comfortable enough on this forum to post as we please. As someone who has been on this board 8 plus years, I have seen many subjects broached with little or no "lasting benefit". If we stuck to that criterion it would get mighty boring around here.
For the record we filled up 24 pages last time we were on this subject ( "good friend attacked in French Quarter ), so I guess the need to vent/discuss is there.
Back to being relaxed and hopeful.
Greg -

I think you misunderstand me, I'm not saying that this shouldn't be discussed here. I too have been on the Bored many years and have certainly been guilty of frivolous threadjacking/drift. So, please don't think that I would ever dissuade caring, thoughtful folks from expressing themselves here about any topic - no matter how silly or serious.

I guess I'm just saying as my opinions as a local (albeit a newer one) don't seem to have a lot of merit with the commenters on this thread and it merely gets me upset - I will indeed pass time on others.

Moving on to my own relaxed and hopeful place.

Peace.

[Cleophus]

Such a sad incident! Thanks for posting this Greg and thanks all for your good comments.

[Corona]

This is just a very sad reality here mg....buzzkill or not.
People have to be very aware of where they are and their surroundings.
Until the mayor and chief of police are replaced and stronger authority figures prevail, we will face this problem everyday.
New Orleans is a lovely lady, but she can be so much more....
I agree Rosie and as sad as it is, I'm glad you posted it Greg.

[tangledupinblue]

For the record we filled up 24 pages last time we were on this subject ( "good friend attacked in French Quarter ), so I guess the need to vent/discuss is there.
Back to being relaxed and hopeful.[/QUOTE]

I posted that thread, as I think we all know, and I needed you guys around at that time for support. I hate that this is happening and what is most scary, I know that all of us walk these local streets around these same times as these shootings.

I did not know Wendy but it doesn't matter...they are taking innocent people who are only out to live their lives in peace. My friend who got attacked made me go crazy inside so I wrote many letters. I won't stop writing these letters just because I didn't know the victim.

But I will stop walking out of a bar by myself thinking all is lovely in this world. I now call cabs to pick me up in front of the place I am leaving. SUCKS but I wanna stay alive for the 40 yr anniversary of JAZZ FEST and then some!

[Blitzzzzz]

Bottom line, Americans are safer in Downtown Baghdad than they are on Main Street, U.S.A.

Do you think that has anything to do with the guns they carry?:cool:

[Gards]

RE safety when walking in NOLA
I am a person who loves to walk wherever I may be,as I find you catch more of the feel of place,and normaly take advice from locals as to which places I shouldnt go through.Sometimes when we are working in dodgy places it can seem like that you are almost trapped in your Hotel or apartment if you dont have a car or dont drive like me,this was certainly the case in the not so nice Kingston Jamica.
I would like to know if I was pushing my luck when I walked from the Sheraton out to the Old Truck Farm for Chazfest at about 12 and then walked back about 5pm,I didnt get hassled and wouldnt do it after dark,just wonderin if I was silly.
A couple of years back when I was staggering back to Le Pavillion at about 4 in the morning,I realised I should have got a Cab,I just prefer to walk if its generaly considered safe.

Gards

[sophisticated sissy]

Do you think that has anything to do with the guns they carry?:cool:


You don't need guns to kill people. A carbomb spreads a lot more mayhem and misery. Baghdad is a war zone. Have U.S. cities become war zones?

In my opinion, if the average citizen has to go about his/her daily affairs armed to the teeth and wearing body armor to feel safe in a U.S. city, he/she is not living in a civilized country.

Also, IMO, anyone who cannot agree that there are too many weapons on the streets is living in a fool's paradise. (or is it a fool's paradox?)

[windowman]

15 year old CHILD turned himself in and confessed to the killing. I'm sure his Mother told him "adults go free in this town for murder, you have nothing to worry about". Sad truth is you CAN get away with murder in New Orleans.

Actually, his mother did turn him in. The sketch that was shown on TV was so good, she called the NOPD herself, then called her son's friend's mother. While it has been easier to get away with murder in N.O., arrest and conviction rates have climbed steadily since Eddie Jordan left. I am not saying all is well here, but I believe that there has been some improvement recently. It is hard to believe that in the face of this particular crime, but the reality is that most murders here in New Orleans have very little to do with sense or reason.

[chicagomike]

It boils down to the criminal justice system. If the criminal element in Orleans Parish actually pays for their crimes, the effect will be two-fold. First the criminals will be sent to prison, thus taking them off the streets. Secondly, maybe just maybe these thugs will think twice about their actions if they understand that there will be actual consequences for their actions. Of course none of this will matter as long as the culture of death is an acceptable part of life...Not only in New Orleans but in urban America as a whole. The "no snitching" way of life has to stop.

[papafrog]

January 20, 2009

On this historic day in America, anything seems possible…In his inauguration speech today, President Barack Obama faced the crises facing the country directly, setting an example of fearless acknowledgement of our challenges if we are to confront them.

In New Orleans, there is no challenge more daunting than the violence that continues to consume our neighborhoods and our young people. Recently, SilenceIsViolence called for citizens to take time from their regular routines to “strike against crime,” speaking directly to crime as each of us feels it in our individual neighborhoods, families, and businesses, and considering actions that can address the problem wherever we are. You responded eloquently and movingly, and your ideas are helping to shape the direction of the SilenceIsViolence movement.

Many of you are writing to us about the murder this past weekend of Wendy Byrne, and of your desire to take public action in her memory. Memorializing Wendy, and all homicide victims in our city, is an essential way in which we remain functional in the face of such tragedy. Individual memorials also remind city officials of the unacceptable loss we absorb each time a friend, loved one, or neighbor is killed. Advocating for the rights of the survivors of these victims, and of the witnesses who often prove critical to bringing justice, is equally important. Tomorrow, beginning at 10:30am, the City Council will take up the question of these rights in an important hearing.

This will be the first meeting of the Council’s Criminal Justice Committee to take up the rights of victims and witnesses in the criminal justice system, and to begin to set up methods to ensure accountability on the part of those entities who are supposed to be providing services and protecting these rights.

In order to solve the system’s victim/witness inadequacies, it is important that they be clearly identified. If you have been a victim of violent crime, and/or if you have family or friends who have been victims, PLEASE COME and tell the City Council about your experiences with the criminal justice system, from the police to the District Attorney’s office through the courts and afterwards. Poor communication between victims/witnesses and these departments has been a chronic problem. Many people don't know about victim assistance programs, for example, or how to apply for this assistance. Fear of retaliation against witnesses and victims is also a serious problem. Proposals that address these issues will be discussed at tomorrow’s hearing.

Two teenagers have been arrested in Wendy Byrne’s murder. It appears that the mothers of the suspects, having recognized them in police sketches, were instrumental in their arrests. These women have taken a brave action that may have save the lives of others. They and any witnesses who participated in the creation of the sketches should be treated with respect within the criminal justice system, if justice is indeed to be accomplished. Tomorrow’s City Council hearing will address this need. Please attend if you can and let our City Council members know how important the treatment of victims and witnesses is to our safety.

[jeanvi]

RE safety when walking in NOLA
I am a person who loves to walk wherever I may be,as I find you catch more of the feel of place,and normaly take advice from locals as to which places I shouldnt go through.Sometimes when we are working in dodgy places it can seem like that you are almost trapped in your Hotel or apartment if you dont have a car or dont drive like me,this was certainly the case in the not so nice Kingston Jamica.
I would like to know if I was pushing my luck when I walked from the Sheraton out to the Old Truck Farm for Chazfest at about 12 and then walked back about 5pm,I didnt get hassled and wouldnt do it after dark,just wonderin if I was silly.
A couple of years back when I was staggering back to Le Pavillion at about 4 in the morning,I realised I should have got a Cab,I just prefer to walk if its generaly considered safe.

Gards

Last Fest I rented an apt. in the Marigny for the 1st time after staying in hotels in FQ for 4 years. Got a cab back a few nights, walked a few nights, mostly late nights. One night I was staggering sh*tfaced toward the apt., late (3-4 am), lost. Was 1 street & 2 blocks off where I needed to be when I asked a couple local (AA) women sitting on a stoop for directions. These chics read me the riot act: NOT safe for anybody let alone a white chic stumbling alone in the wee hours...are U nuts or just dumb?? Told me I was 3 blocks away from my apt., insisted I get in the car, she's taking me there.
I was honestly more unnerved getting into this persons car than I was staggering drunk down the streets. My instinct told me not to, yet I got in the car anyway, & she drove me safely to my door & wished me Happy Jazzfest.

I'd like to think there's still alot of genuine, kind folks there. Neighbors I met that week urged me to go to Chazfest, but I'd had plans to be @ LMF so missed it.

Another night I got a ride home from Banks St. Bar in Midtown from a lovely old local man who offered the ride @ 2am, when no taxi's have gone by, a sober regular who'd earlier brought donuts & coffee for the staff.

There's a helluva lotta good people there. Still, even after the thing. That's most of what makes New Orleans as special as it is. Criminals & gangbangers have NOT been the folks producing amazing music, food & hospitality that's defined our favorite city.

[Phatpapa]

There's a helluva lotta good people there. Still, even after the thing. That's most of what makes New Orleans as special as it is. Criminals & gangbangers have NOT been the folks producing amazing music, food & hospitality that's defined our favorite city.

Dam SKIPPY, Jean.

NOT is the "operative" word in that paragraph

And Papa....

I, too, think that this is extremely vital to at least slowing this epedemic:

"In order to solve the system’s victim/witness inadequacies, it is important that they be clearly identified. If you have been a victim of violent crime, and/or if you have family or friends who have been victims, PLEASE COME and tell the City Council about your experiences with the criminal justice system, from the police to the District Attorney’s office through the courts and afterwards. Poor communication between victims/witnesses and these departments has been a chronic problem. Many people don't know about victim assistance programs, for example, or how to apply for this assistance. Fear of retaliation against witnesses and victims is also a serious problem". Proposals that address these issues will be discussed at tomorrow’s hearing

Hopefully, the new dawn that we are experiencing will have the clout to give these survivors a true sense of security that they desire.

[Blitzzzzz]

These chics read me the riot act: NOT safe for anybody let alone a white chic stumbling alone in the wee hours...are U nuts or just dumb?? Told me I was 3 blocks away from my apt., insisted I get in the car, she's taking me there.

Two teenagers have been arrested in Wendy Byrne’s murder. It appears that the mothers of the suspects, having recognized them in police sketches, were instrumental in their arrests. These women have taken a brave action that may have save the lives of others.

OMG, Does anyone else hear the flapping of wings?:cool:

[peteup]

Last Fest I rented an apt. in the Marigny for the 1st time after staying in hotels in FQ for 4 years. Got a cab back a few nights, walked a few nights, mostly late nights. One night I was staggering sh*tfaced toward the apt., late (3-4 am), lost. Was 1 street & 2 blocks off where I needed to be when I asked a couple local (AA) women sitting on a stoop for directions. These chics read me the riot act: NOT safe for anybody let alone a white chic stumbling alone in the wee hours...are U nuts or just dumb?? Told me I was 3 blocks away from my apt., insisted I get in the car, she's taking me there.
I was honestly more unnerved getting into this persons car than I was staggering drunk down the streets. My instinct told me not to, yet I got in the car anyway, & she drove me safely to my door & wished me Happy Jazzfest.

I'd like to think there's still alot of genuine, kind folks there. Neighbors I met that week urged me to go to Chazfest, but I'd had plans to be @ LMF so missed it.

Another night I got a ride home from Banks St. Bar in Midtown from a lovely old local man who offered the ride @ 2am, when no taxi's have gone by, a sober regular who'd earlier brought donuts & coffee for the staff.

There's a helluva lotta good people there. Still, even after the thing. That's most of what makes New Orleans as special as it is. Criminals & gangbangers have NOT been the folks producing amazing music, food & hospitality that's defined our favorite city.

Yeah, I think like most others on the bored, I've done all the dumb things - way too many late nights/early mornings walking back to the guesthouse. This murder is just so sad. Poor Wendy and all those that knew and loved her - prayers, warm thoughts and karma. And the perps are only 15 yo!! WTF is going on? But spare a thought for their mothers - I think we should all also say a quiet prayer of thanks for their courage.

[Fred (Texas JF Fanatic)]

sad news

[marignygreg]

RE safety when walking in NOLA
I am a person who loves to walk wherever I may be,as I find you catch more of the feel of place,and normaly take advice from locals as to which places I shouldnt go through.Sometimes when we are working in dodgy places it can seem like that you are almost trapped in your Hotel or apartment if you dont have a car or dont drive like me,this was certainly the case in the not so nice Kingston Jamica.
I would like to know if I was pushing my luck when I walked from the Sheraton out to the Old Truck Farm for Chazfest at about 12 and then walked back about 5pm,I didnt get hassled and wouldnt do it after dark,just wonderin if I was silly.
A couple of years back when I was staggering back to Le Pavillion at about 4 in the morning,I realised I should have got a Cab,I just prefer to walk if its generaly considered safe.

Gards

Hey Gards, that is a great walk, and I would not hesitate to make that trek at that time of day, even in light of this unfortunate killing. When folks stop walking/riding bikes then we are in real trouble as the streets will be deserted.
We need more people on the streets and stoops, looking out for eachother.
I have also found myself stumbling around late at night on the quiet streets of the Quarter/Marigny on my way home. I do not advise it, but I have had some magical moments when it is dead quiet and the moonlight is bouncing off the Creole Cottages and Townhomes.

[marignygreg]

Yikes, this story made CNN.

[fairychild]

that is unfortunate hopefully voicing your opinion can get those horrible circumstances ratified

[duende]

I honestly thought this thread would fade away and I sincerely don't want to stir any new pots, but... there was one factoid that was a featured part of the History Channel New Orleans Gangland episode that Frosty & I watched that has stuck in my craw since I saw it last weekend. The show focused on Katrina-displaced "yutes" that fled Houston for ruined New Orleans because Houston didn't have their old home-town's 4-months-and-out policy for homicide (other than pre-meditated, I presumed). Can the NOLA folks add anything to this? Were they just talking about New Orleans's pre-K prosecution of minors, or did all capital crimes get treated this lightly?

[rosetree]

I honestly thought this thread would fade away and I sincerely don't want to stir any new pots, but... there was one factoid that was a featured part of the History Channel New Orleans Gangland episode that Frosty & I watched that has stuck in my craw since I saw it last weekend. The show focused on Katrina-displaced "yutes" that fled Houston for ruined New Orleans because Houston didn't have their old home-town's 4-months-and-out policy for homicide (other than pre-meditated, I presumed). Can the NOLA folks add anything to this? Were they just talking about New Orleans's pre-K prosecution of minors, or did all capital crimes get treated this lightly?

It is true and it is called Misdemeanor Murder. It is something that the new DA has high on his reform list. Maybe if the punishment fit the crime and it could be made to stick, things would get a little better here....:mad:

[sophisticated sissy]

... asked a couple local (AA) women sitting on a stoop for directions. Told me I was 3 blocks away from my apt., insisted I get in the car, she's taking me there.

I was honestly more unnerved getting into this persons car than I was staggering drunk down the streets.


I would've been nervous, too. You're darn lucky they didn't force you to go to an Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) meeting!

[Delta]

I honestly thought this thread would fade away and I sincerely don't want to stir any new pots, but... there was one factoid that was a featured part of the History Channel New Orleans Gangland episode that Frosty & I watched that has stuck in my craw since I saw it last weekend. The show focused on Katrina-displaced "yutes" that fled Houston for ruined New Orleans because Houston didn't have their old home-town's 4-months-and-out policy for homicide (other than pre-meditated, I presumed). Can the NOLA folks add anything to this? Were they just talking about New Orleans's pre-K prosecution of minors, or did all capital crimes get treated this lightly?

I watched that episode too, but don't remember them saying anything about a 4 month time frame. They did mention several times about the 60-day rule though. One of the gang members even referred to "60-day murders" I believe. The 60-day rule doesn't have anything to do with a conviction or sentence, it was merely a law in LA that any suspect had to be indicted within 60 days of arrest.

The part of the episode talking about the gang members returning to New Orleans specifically said it was because Houston PD was cracking down on them and actually prosecuting them, and they weren't being released on the 61st day as they expected becaause TX doesn't have that law.

[duende]

right you are, Delta - my memory these days... sheesh! and thanks, Rosie for enlightening me about this - and reminding me that the context of the 60-day misdemeanor "sentence" referenced in the show was actually a condemnation of the culture of silence amongst witnesses to the crimes. In fairness to the DA's wretched record, the streets didn't exactly leap at the opportunity to turn in their own, and prosecutors had no choice but to turn suspected criminals loose if they couldn't bring a felony charge within 60 days of arrest. This piece was very thoughtful and helpful for me:
http://donotpassgeaux.blogspot.com/2007/04/misdemeanor-murder.html

[rosetree]

right you are, Delta - my memory these days... sheesh! and thanks, Rosie for enlightening me about this - and reminding me that the context of the 60-day misdemeanor "sentence" referenced in the show was actually a condemnation of the culture of silence amongst witnesses to the crimes. In fairness to the DA's wretched record, the streets didn't exactly leap at the opportunity to turn in their own, and prosecutors had no choice but to turn suspected criminals loose if they couldn't bring a felony charge within 60 days of arrest. This piece was very thoughtful and helpful for me:
http://donotpassgeaux.blogspot.com/2007/04/misdemeanor-murder.html

duende: we do have a new DA, so his record is pretty untested right now. The last DAs were the ones with wretched records.

[mightyradgumbo]

It boils down to the criminal justice system. If the criminal element in Orleans Parish actually pays for their crimes, the effect will be two-fold. First the criminals will be sent to prison, thus taking them off the streets. Secondly, maybe just maybe these thugs will think twice about their actions if they understand that there will be actual consequences for their actions. Of course none of this will matter as long as the culture of death is an acceptable part of life...Not only in New Orleans but in urban America as a whole. The "no snitching" way of life has to stop.

That is the answer for sure, Mike. We just need to get officials here that force the issue. Crime exists everywhere, the key is in the control. With the current Mayor and Police Chief there is no control. Hopefully, the new DA will in the words of my friend Eric Cartman "Kick Ass"

[mangoon]

I think that after a newbie lurks on this bored for awhile they quickly see what a great group of people are here , and that this is a great place to get info about New Orleans. They see this due to the fact that everyone here is so honest and has such a great love for the city.
I think they would expect us to tell them the great things and the bad things. It would be a disservice to them not to .
I think especially in todays day and age very few people believe that that perfect nirvana vacation for regular people on a budget exists. All destinations come with their good and bad and people know that. I think they appreciate the honesty.