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sophisticated sissy
12-04-2008, 11:57 AM
Thought you might get a chuckle out of this. It's from the SF Gate:

Give me AC/DC, Tom Waits. They didn't sell out

Peter Hartlaub, Chronicle Pop Culture Critic
Monday, December 1, 2008

The band AC/DC isn't particularly difficult for critics to deconstruct. Members have been writing the same song over and over again for more than 30 years. They're a little bit old for their five-double-entendres-per-song average, and the rhythm section may be physically incapable of keeping anything except 4/4 time.

But at least they didn't sell out.

AC/DC, which plays two shows in Oakland this week, has never released a love ballad. The members didn't change the band's sound when their careers faltered. The closest thing they have to a greatest hits album is a live record from 1992. And if they ever did put out a Christmas album, Angus and the boys would almost certainly rhyme the words "baby Jesus" with "now pour me some Chivas."

I wake up each morning hoping that another one of my favorite bands or artists will not sell out. I root for them with the same fervor that you might bring to a Golden State Warriors playoff game or a "Dancing With the Stars" finale. AC/DC and Ozzy Osbourne have had a similar amount of career highs and lows. Not selling out is the sole reason AC/DC is still an all-time favorite, and Osbourne is all but musically dead to me.

When Steve Earle went on "Today" and had the guts to sing the controversial "John Walker's Blues" during the peak of pro-war sentiment - with Matt Lauer looking at him like he was a traitor - I felt proud to own all of his albums.

And when his song "The Revolution Starts ..." showed up on a General Motors truck commercial, I kept jabbing myself with the remote control while hoping it was all a bad dream. Public Enemy's Flavor Flav getting his own reality show was a very bad day. Finding out that NOFX kept a keg of Pabst Blue Ribbon in the alley behind Slim's during their show was a good one.

Selling out can be defined as any action that puts money and celebrity as a priority over art and paying respect to one's loyal following. There are shades of gray, and mitigating circumstances. I think, for instance, we can all agree on the Willie Nelson Rule: Any artist who once owed more than $10 million in back taxes and helped start Farm Aid can be forgiven for a Taco Bell commercial and a couple of Christmas albums.

While I worked as a courtroom reporter in Los Angeles for four years, covering mostly entertainment-related litigation, almost every music-related lawsuit seemed to be a product of selling out, and every trip to the witness stand a chance to sound like a money-grubbing baby. The all-time low point involved Mötley Crüe, which ended one contentious legal battle between band members by getting the band back together.

The shining beacon of light in this wasteland was Tom Waits. I covered three of his lawsuits, and each one involved fighting against his music or a sound-alike being used in commercials. In one of these cases, he got on the witness stand and recalled embarrassing events from his addictive younger years - in a trial where he would have made a huge royalty if he lost the case. "It's like being a little bit pregnant," he said, when asked why he couldn't stand the thought of even one of his songs being used in an advertisement.

After that, I pledged to buy all of his albums, even if they contained nothing but French horns and strange men with German accents shouting into megaphones. ("The Black Rider" came pretty close.)

Accompanying this article is a quiz to determine if your favorite band or artist is a sellout. Most modern acts aren't going to fare well. And when a band or artist rises above commercialism, ego and greed, it's time to rejoice.
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Is your favorite band a sellout?

Take this quiz to find out. You may need to make a few Internet searches. Allmusic.com is a good place to start, especially for question No. 9.

1. Has your favorite band or artist completed a "farewell tour" (or album), and then returned?


Yes (40 points per comeback)

No (0 points)

2. How many lead singers have been featured during the career of your favorite band?


One (0 points)

Two (15 points)

Three or more (30 points)

3. Have your favorite rockers (or their music) ever appeared in ...


The soundtrack to "Friends" or "Melrose Place"? (10 points per song)

A TV commercial? (30 points)

An animated movie? (60 points)

"The Star Wars Holiday Special"? (200 points)

4. Have they ever recorded a duet with ...


Sheryl Crow? (20 points)

Michael Jackson? (35 points)

A vocal track featuring a deceased artist? (55 points)

Kid Rock? (100 points)

5. If your favorite artists are not part of a hip-hop act, have they ever attempted to rap?


Yes (50 points)

No (0 points)

6. If they are a hip-hop act, have they ever attempted to sing?


Yes (25 points)

No (0 points)

7. Looking at your favorite act's discography, what percentage of total album releases have been greatest hits records, collections of B sides or other compilations?


Less than 10 percent (0 points)

Between 10 and 25 percent (15 points)

Between 25 and 50 percent (30 points)

More than 50 percent (50 points)

8. Has your favorite band or artist ever put out ...


An MTV Unplugged or VH1 Storytellers album? (15 points)

An album made up entirely of covers? (25 points)

A Christmas album? (40 points)


9. Is your favorite artist Sting or Eric Clapton?


Yes (100 points)

No (0 points)

10. Has your favorite artist or band (or any member) appeared in a reality show?


Yes (40 points)

No (0 points)


Your band's sellout total:

0 to 50 - Not a sellout.

50-100 - Has some sellout qualities, but doesn't qualify as a full-on sellout. Be ready to drop out of the act's fan club if songs start to appear in movies starring Katherine Heigl.

100-250 - Definitely a sellout. These are the kinds of acts that throw one or two bad new tracks on a greatest hits album just so the hard-core fans will buy in. Best to cut ties immediately.

250 or more - Your favorite act would probably rather run you over in a crosswalk than be 30 seconds late to the recording for its latest McDonald's commercial. Find a nice Mission District alternative rock band that's never going to make it and follow it around instead.

- Peter Hartlaub



http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/01/DDV914CU0L.DTL

This article appeared on page E - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

© 2008 Hearst Communications Inc.

jerseygirl67
12-04-2008, 12:02 PM
Elvis costello....He may have lent a song to a commercial, but i think by performing "Radio" on SNL when he wasn't supposed to negates that and he is NOT a sell out.

Moon
12-04-2008, 12:02 PM
Since most of the music I like these days has marginal appeal(bluegrass, jazz, blues, world)I don't have to worry about it too much.

It does burn my ass though to hear a cherished rock song used to sell shit nobody really needs.

mdfest
12-04-2008, 12:17 PM
Anyone read the Rolling Stone article about ACDC? Made me sad to miss their recent tour. Excellent article.

innertube
12-04-2008, 01:30 PM
that's to funny..............................

freebo
12-04-2008, 02:47 PM
'This Note's For You'
Neil Young

Don't want no cash
Don't need no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.
Ain't singin' for Pepsi
Ain't singin' for Coke
I don't sing for nobody
Makes me look like a joke
This note's for you.
Ain't singin' for Miller
Don't sing for Bud
I won't sing for politicians
Ain't singin' for Spuds
This note's for you.
Don't need no cash
Don't want no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.
I've got the real thing
I got the real thing, baby
I got the real thing
Yeah, alright.

Frosty
12-04-2008, 05:05 PM
If anyone is upset about rock songs from the 60's being used to sell stuff, how about the use of some of the best orchestral music being used ad nauseum in movies and TV shows and commercials. O Fortuna from Orff's Carmina Burana comes to mind, or Beethoven's 5th and 9th Symphonies, Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, The William Tell Overture, Ravel's Bolero, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, etc, etc, etc.

There is nothing so profound about Led Zeppelin's Rock and Roll to make it an afront to their artistry by using it to sell a car. It's a catchy cool song and makes the ad more interesting. Nobody toiled in solitude for years to come up with this stuff.

festivalgirl
12-04-2008, 05:31 PM
What if their song is in a commercial and they use that money in support of their causes? Steve Earle doesn't make a lot of money. By "selling out", he's financed his ability to speak out against the war, for example. John Mellencamp has more for Farm Aid. Etc ..........

[General Motors paid Chumbawamba $100,000 to use the song "Pass It Along" for a Pontiac Vibe television advertisement in 2002. Chumbawamba gave the money to the anti-corporate activist groups Indymedia and CorpWatch]

As long as you haven't humiliated yourself (fill in any reality show here), what's wrong with making money.

funkkjunkie
12-04-2008, 11:36 PM
I thought this was going to be about a different kind of sellout. The kind of selling out that occured with one of my ex favorite bands, Robert Randolph and the Family Band. He signed with a record label and his next album had none, as in zero instrumental tunes on it! WTF! Yep, I still go see him if he's close and it's not a school night but that hurts.
And yyr, doc moon, the kind of music i currently have a love affair with is not gonna be on commercials. Wait. RR has a commercial!
My current love affair is with my doc moon Cool Yule collection. I started with 99 and am working my way up to 08. Thanks, Doc.

mightyradgumbo
12-05-2008, 02:21 AM
I used to get upset that there was a song of one of the "cool" bands that I listened to in a commercial. Then I realized that it is, after all, a business as well as an art. I think as long as they don't go too far overboard and still hang with their priciples in tact, that it's cool to make some dough on a hard earned effort.

MaloGator
12-05-2008, 08:32 AM
YYR Gumbo, it is business as well as art. I've recognized songs from off the radar "indie" bands being used in commercials, and thought, well, they ain't seeling a lot of records, or selling out stadiums, so they have to get paid somehow, in order to keep going and put out the next record. The hipsters, with their small pants and 70's track jackets, will call them sellouts, but are they puttin' up money for the bands next record? I doubt it.
One that got to me was the Nissan ad that used the version of "Pressure Drop" by the Clash. That never would have happened if Joe Strummer were still alive.

mdfest
12-05-2008, 08:41 AM
I used to like "saved by zero".

Moon
12-05-2008, 08:41 AM
If anyone is upset about rock songs from the 60's being used to sell stuff, how about the use of some of the best orchestral music being used ad nauseum in movies and TV shows and commercials. O Fortuna from Orff's Carmina Burana comes to mind, or Beethoven's 5th and 9th Symphonies, Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries, The William Tell Overture, Ravel's Bolero, Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, etc, etc, etc.

There is nothing so profound about Led Zeppelin's Rock and Roll to make it an afront to their artistry by using it to sell a car. It's a catchy cool song and makes the ad more interesting. Nobody toiled in solitude for years to come up with this stuff.

While I'm very fond of Bolero and a little of the old Ludwig Von B, that music isn't as wound up in my personal life and memories as much as "Picture Book" by the Kinks.

Vick: Thank you for the kind words. '08 mails out Saturday.

freebo
12-05-2008, 11:29 AM
All right, if you want to forget about commercial sell-outs at Christmas time, go dig up your copy of 'The Harder They Come' soundtrack and give it a spin.

Stone classics, each and every tune.

(Props to MaloGator for mentioning Pressure Drop earlier...)

What's that? Want to know what makes it such a keeper? Here's the track list:

"You Can Get It If You Really Want" (Jimmy Cliff)
"Draw Your Brakes" (Scotty)
"Rivers of Babylon" (The Melodians)
"Many Rivers to Cross" (Jimmy Cliff)
"Sweet and Dandy" (The Maytals)
"The Harder They Come" (Jimmy Cliff)
"Johnny Too Bad" (The Slickers)
"007 (Shanty Town)" (Desmond Dekker)
"Pressure Drop" (The Maytals)
"Sitting in Limbo" (Jimmy Cliff)
"You Can Get It If You Really Want" (Jimmy Cliff)
"The Harder They Come" (Jimmy Cliff)

The opening to 'Draw Your Brakes' is such a hoot. And the incredible kick of 'Sweet and Dandy'... WHEW!

It's all good.

Moon
12-05-2008, 03:33 PM
All right, if you want to forget about commercial sell-outs at Christmas time, go dig up your copy of 'The Harder They Come' soundtrack and give it a spin.

Stone classics, each and every tune.

(Props to MaloGator for mentioning Pressure Drop earlier...)

What's that? Want to know what makes it such a keeper? Here's the track list:

"You Can Get It If You Really Want" (Jimmy Cliff)
"Draw Your Brakes" (Scotty)
"Rivers of Babylon" (The Melodians)
"Many Rivers to Cross" (Jimmy Cliff)
"Sweet and Dandy" (The Maytals)
"The Harder They Come" (Jimmy Cliff)
"Johnny Too Bad" (The Slickers)
"007 (Shanty Town)" (Desmond Dekker)
"Pressure Drop" (The Maytals)
"Sitting in Limbo" (Jimmy Cliff)
"You Can Get It If You Really Want" (Jimmy Cliff)
"The Harder They Come" (Jimmy Cliff)

The opening to 'Draw Your Brakes' is such a hoot. And the incredible kick of 'Sweet and Dandy'... WHEW!

It's all good.


Yeh U Rite! Thats one of my favorite all time records. Never gets old.

Dude: Shoot me an e-mail with your address. You know what it's for.

heyhon
12-05-2008, 04:58 PM
I recall an interviewer asking Jerry Garcia once if he was concerned about the commercialization of Dead tunes, whether he would be selling out.
His reply was something along the lines of "hell, we've been trying to sell out for years, but we could never get anyone to buy"

ohio
12-05-2008, 05:56 PM
'This Note's For You'
Neil Young

Don't want no cash
Don't need no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.
Ain't singin' for Pepsi
Ain't singin' for Coke
I don't sing for nobody
Makes me look like a joke
This note's for you.
Ain't singin' for Miller
Don't sing for Bud
I won't sing for politicians
Ain't singin' for Spuds
This note's for you.
Don't need no cash
Don't want no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.
I've got the real thing
I got the real thing, baby
I got the real thing
Yeah, alright.
There ya go!

mymecca
12-06-2008, 12:51 AM
is rollin' over in his grave...if that happens...with target's "hello, good buy" campaign...sold by MJ for legal expenses