My good friend attacked in French Quarter

[tangledupinblue]

My friend was mugged the other night after hanging in the French Quarter with friends. He was on his way home. The problem with this mugging is that he was treated like crap by the local NOPD. They never called an ambulance for him as he bled profusely from the back of his head.
The suspects attacked him, hit him with a pistol and then proceeded to kick and punch him while lying on the ground protecting himself.
He was helped by two young men/strangers on the street, one was an ex-EMT. This is the only good part of the story!
When the police finally arrived they put him in the back of their police car without caring for him. He was in so much pain he could barely speak. The police drove around with him making him help them look for the suspects. Needless to say they were long gone since the police hadn't arrived for 15 minutes after being called. The one cop actually bitched at Tommy for bleeding on the floor of the police station while giving his statement. They NEVER bothered to clean him up or help him at all.
The NOPD finally took him to Tulane Hospital where he was again ignored and treated like crap. They strapped him down to a guerney and didn't allow him to go to the bathroom when he had asked several times. He was forced to go in his pants!

My dear friend was finally released from the hospital around 4:30am and he went right back to the scene of the crime to try to find his wallet, in which he always keeps a little guardian angel for protection. He FOUND his wallet in a trash can a block from his attack.


On top of it, he is not a well man. He just had a serious bout with cancer, so he is rather weak. I am sure the IDIOTS that attacked him could have given two shits!

I am sickened by this and just wanted to get his story out as I am positive he is not the only one this happens to or has happened to.

Here is the small article about his attack. The reason it says 2:06 am is because the damn police never showed up until then. Since when is the victim supposed to be treated like the suspects?

ARMED ROBBERY
8TH POLICE DISTRICT
500 block of Toulouse Street, Thursday, 2:06 a.m.� A 58-year-old man was walking in the French Quarter when two men with guns walked toward him. One got behind him and both began to strike him with their weapons. They took money from his pockets and fled. �

[Michelino]

That's a terrible and frightening story Katy. We are glad he survived the ordeal but sickened by his treatment from the police. I hope he will complain to the highest levels about the incident and maybe we need to write letters in support of any complaint.

Send your Tommy our love and let him know the threadhead nation will muster all the good kharma and prayers that it has on his behalf.

[ibjamn]

Tangie is this your story? Your friend? If so, I am horrified. If it's a cut and paste, I have a hard time he was treated "like crap" at Tulane hospital. (Not so hard to believe about the NOPD, unfortunately.) He should begin by getting an attorney and filing a complaint with the head of the ED at Tulane.

[tangledupinblue]

Tangie is this your story? Your friend? If so, I am horrified. If it's a cut and paste, I have a hard time he was treated "like crap" at Tulane hospital. (Not so hard to believe about the NOPD, unfortunately.) He should begin by getting an attorney and filing a complaint with the head of the ED at Tulane.

Yes baby...this is my story. I know that he is well on his way to filing complaints and has plans to go to a meeting about this.

[Amy Winette]

Ahhh, so sorry for Tommy Tangie! I'm just glad he's okay, but there's no excuse for the way he was treated. I hope there can be some recourse.

[ibjamn]

Yes baby...this is my story. I know that he is well on his way to filing complaints and has plans to go to a meeting about this.

Then that is just horrible and he may not get anywhere with the NOPD, but sounds like he has a great lawsuit against Tulane. Unless he was crazed & combative, it is unlawful to strap people to a guerney without written permission to use restraints by a family member.

[sophisticated sissy]

Tangie, so sorry to hear about this whole mess. Thank goodness the two Good Samaritans who were there to help him. They are the only good part of the story.

The rest of it is so whacked, I'm surprised they weren't frisked, cuffed and taken in as suspects.

I hope your buddy mends quickly and I'm glad it wasn't more serious.

[tangledupinblue]

Tangie, so sorry to hear about this whole mess. Thank goodness the two Good Samaritans who were there to help him. They are the only good part of the story.

The rest of it is so whacked, I'm surprised they weren't frisked, cuffed and taken in as suspects.

I hope your buddy mends quickly and I'm glad it wasn't more serious.

Well, they did keep the two men for a half hour in another cop car asking them questions, except they didn't even witness it. What a joke!

[swag]

Just about everything about this is horrible.

And the 500 block of Toulouse (between Decatur & Chartres) is what most of us would consider one of the safer parts of the Quarter. :(

[freebo]

Healing vibs from Florida...

Best wishes for a fast and complete recovery, all around.

Whew.

Isn't the French Quarter still pretty safe? For a while it was somewhat dangerous, and especially the Decatur area near the French Market... and the Marigny. A priest was shot there. A priest! But after tourism was negatively affected by crime, the powers that be woke up and realized the Quarter draws the Goose that lays the Golden Egg. And they'd better make it safe for folks like tourists to walk the streets of the Quarter. So then the FQ, and certainly the 'upper' Quarter, became safer to walk around in, day or night. I guess the answer is it can still be a dangerous place.

This tale provides us all a cautionary lesson. The time was early - not even 2 a.m. The location not far from the 1st District NOPD building on Rampart. If you can get mugged there, you can get mugged on Frenchmen, or Royal, or Bourbon, or...

Be careful, friends. Look out for yourselves, and look out for one another. Thank goodness someone was there for Tangie's (our) friend.

For what it's worth, here's another person's perspective on being mugged in New Orleans and it's aftermath:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article563500.ece

[bluesbaby]

This is horrifying, Tangie. I am disgusted with the way Tommy was treated by all those whose job it was to HELP HIM. I wish for Tommy's speedy recovery, and hope that he receives satisfaction through the legal system. So sorry this happened. I am distressed for your friend.

And in addition, this is exactly the type of thing that will hinder New Orleans in her efforts to recover economically.

Comforting hugs to you both.

Janice

[BigDag]

How awful! I hope your friend is able to rebound from this encounter.

You can bet this story will be in my mind the next time I'm in town.

[VWGal]

Well Freebo, at least they didn't strap Ray Davies to a gurney. I agree that sounds VERY off. Tangie, I hope your friend had the presence of mind to get names and document what happened so the story can be told. He might want to retrace his steps with a digital camera and get someone to take a photo or two of his wounds or the clothing he wore that night. You never know....

I hope he is feeling better and soon. You are a good friend. :)

[tangledupinblue]

Well Freebo, at least they didn't strap Ray Davies to a gurney. I agree that sounds VERY off. Tangie, I hope your friend had the presence of mind to get names and document what happened so the story can be told. He might want to retrace his steps with a digital camera and get someone to take a photo or two of his wounds or the clothing he wore that night. You never know....

I hope he is feeling better and soon. You are a good friend. :)

I am heading out to visit with Tommy in a bit and I am going to print all of your nice letters you wrote.

Thanks to all of you for your concern. I hang around that area pretty much and it scares me to death. I will NEVER EVER wonder around that area again. I always grab a cab straight out of the clubs on Frenchmen. Still makes me sick to my stomach! Just wonder if they caught these idiots. I have much more to say about them but trying to keep my cool or I will go nuts on someone!

[rosetree]

Katie:
I am at a loss for words.
Nothing that I say can make the pain and fear go away.
Yes, it is a terrible wake-up call for you and Tommy.
Even if you are diligent about where you are and your surroundings, the reality is that in today's world, it can happen to any one of us at most large cities in this country.
Don't let this be brushed under a mound of paper-work. Help Tommy. Let him know that we are thinking of him and wish him a speedy recovery.

[mwgirlonherown]

What a heartbreaking story. I hope Tommy feels better in a couple of days.
Please send him my best.

It's disgusting the way the NOLA PD victimizes someone like Tommy a second time.

I understand that some of the guardpersons stationed in New Orleans at the request of the state, are interested in joining the force permanently. Maybe some change will come from that.

[KeyWest Bruce]

Tangie, please relay my concern, care and sincere prayers to Tommy for a speedy recovery. When something so traumatic happens to anyone, it could have been one of us, and it is hard to swallow (especially happening on the streets where we all have walked a million times at all hours of the day.) When cops start behaving like gestapo, and you actually are the victim of such treatment, it is very disturbing. The police down here in Key West are treating homeless people very badly. Instead of pursuing victims they are unleashing their hatred on them, and it is a shame. Take care Tangie, and that is great that you relayed all the Threadhead messages to Tommy.:)

[NeenAtlanta]

Damn, Tangie, what a horrifying story. Lots of Threadhead Karma flowing for your friends recovery.

Especially scary knowing that I've wandered that same block many times and felt safe before.

It really sucks that these criminals feel the need to beat up people after they've given up their money and are on the ground. Just seems purely evil.

So sorry!

[ozzie]

So sorry for your friend Tangie, please add our concern and best wishes when you next see him.

[Rossvegas]

This is awful, Katy! I'm horrified by the whole thing, and especially angered that Nagin and crew don't seem to give a rat's ass. I've written to them on several occaisions, and not one of my letters has ever even been acknowledged.

I figure that if you can't secure the French Quarter, you're never going to rebuild the tourists' confidence in the city. All it takes is some dentist's wife to get jacked up, and they tell 30 people. Before you know it, the National Dental Association Convention is being held in Houston, Orlando, Vegas or anywhere else that isn't named New Orleans.

I'm no different than any other tourist, and as much as I passionately love New Orleans, there are a LOT of other places on the planet that I can vist that don't bear the risk of having a crackhead sticking the barrel of a gun in my face...

I'm angry!

[Leni]

What a terrible story. I pray for a safe recovery for your friend. And it's so sad, because there is nothing more wonderful than walking in the French Quarter in the evening (or any time, for that matter) when the weather is pleasant. I have walked to and from Frenchmen Street or Donna's at all hours to my place at Royal and St. Philip and these are some of my most pleasant memories, particularly on warm evenings. However, I usually walk really fast and in the middle of the street if it's deserted and know I probably shouldn't be walking. However, does this mean we should never walk in the Quarter, or do muggers usually target people who appear to have been drinking, as they are probably the easiest targets? Some friends who have lived in the Qtr for years maintain that if you walk with purpose and project strength you are less likely to be a target. And as for Ray Davies, I wonder where that took place ...

[swag]

And as for Ray Davies, I wonder where that took place ...

In the Marigny, 1400 block of Burgundy Street, near the intersection of Esplanade Avenue at the edge of the French Quarter. Back in 2004.
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/07/rock_stars_shooting_case_anoth.html

[glinda]

OMG Katy. I am so sorry and horrified. Please convery our healing thoughts and prayers to Tommy. Stories like this make NO sound like an uncaring, very poorly managed city. Of course the citizens are anything but that, but the public services.... 15 minutes to get to a mugging victim the the French Quarter???? No medical assistance???? Maybe we need to write to the Convention & Visitors Bureau since they MIGHT get city hall's attention.

[jerseygirl67]

Yes baby...this is my story. I know that he is well on his way to filing complaints and has plans to go to a meeting about this.

O Jeez! will keep him in my prayers...this is so horrible.
SUE the asses off them... that behavior is reprehensible...especially from the police!! How is it possible to treat someone like that? Just don't understand.

[Delta]

What a terrible thing to have happen to your friend! My prayers are with him and I hope he recovers very soon and that it doesn't affect him long-term.

I have no idea how responsive the brass is at the PD but they will have some sort of procedure in place to report and pursue what sounds like dereliction of duty on the part of the officers. It will most likely go through their Internal Affairs office (maybe through the precinct/area where it happened) and your friend should be prepared to fill out a bunch of paperwork, give his statement several times, be blown off, take a bunch of his own time following up to make sure they don't "forget" about him, get ignored, and probably have them act like HE did something wrong. If he has the time and energy (and anger) to pursue it through PD channels, the best he can hope for is some sort of personal satisfaction if the cops are reprimanded. He can raise a stink at the hospital about the crappy treatment and threaten to sue them if they come after him for the medical bills though. At least that worked with the $5 thou bill from the hospital who missed my daughter's broken arm in an ER visit.

[mightyradgumbo]

Hey Katie...sorry that I am so late responding to this. Send him my karma and let him know that he is in my thoughts.

This is terrible. Sounds like terrible practice by both NOPD and Tulane.

[NYMAMA]

My prayers go out to your friend Katy This is so wrong on every level except for the 2 caring people who stopped to help your friend. It gives one pause and wonder if this is realy the place I want to relocate to. I love NOLA so much the people whos charge it is to uphold the law and protect her are a disgrace From Nagin down. I think your friend should deffiently contact the Tourism board and tell them how he was treated along with following legal actions against NOPD and Tulane Medical Center.

[chicagomike]

As someone with 24 years of EMS experience, I cant see why Tulane would be restraining somebody for no reason.

[Blitzzzzz]

ARMED ROBBERY
8TH POLICE DISTRICT
500 block of Toulouse Street, Thursday, 2:06 a.m.� A 58-year-old man was walking in the French Quarter when two men with guns walked toward him. One got behind him and both began to strike him with their weapons. They took money from his pockets and fled. �

Generally terrible all around. As someone else mentioned, thanks for the two young samaritans. Positive thoughts to you and your friend, too.
Can't help thinking back to the whipping I got pre-fest, but around 2 am seems to be the wishing hour for punks. We are buzzed and tired and less on top of our guard and the foot traffic has thinned out. Makes for easy pickin's. Cabs, Cabs, Cabs or groups of people. Walking alone is just to much of an invitation.:cool:

[marignygreg]

That sucks, prayers out to Tommy.
I am on the NOPD's 8th District e-mail list, as well as nolacrimeline which covers the CBD/Quarter/Marigny Triangle. They will let you in on all the dirt, and sometimes even stuff that does not make it to the press. Muggings in the Quarter and nearby neighborhoods happen pretty much on a daily basis.
http://www.nocrimeline.com/
I still walk everywhere in New Orleans and have been lucky so far. These e-mail alerts help me know where the hot spots are. Most muggings take place between midnight and dawn. Most of the time they take your money and run. Tommy was not so lucky. However, do not live in fear or the scumbags win. When walking, try to stay in groups when out late, and travel the busier routes ( Bourbon, Decatur, St. Peter ). It sucks when the Police treat you so crappy, I would definitely tell Tommy to file a complaint ( Maj. Hosli "I think" heads the 8th district ). I hope tommy heals quickly.
I would not cancel a potential move or trip over this, unless you were blissfully unaware that this thing happens in New Orleans , as it does here in Chicago. For the record, if they would tear down the Iberville projects, the Quarter would be a whole lot safer.

[breambob]

Bummer, tangie. Hope your friend is OK, and good karma on him.
And Blitzzzz is dead on right in his post. If I started to tell all the crap I've seen, it would be many hundreads of words, and that would be just stuff about my friends...

[Leni]

I think one of the most important things to remember when walking in the Quarter is to never wander around under the influence or distracted in any way, shape or form -- and to be on high alert at all times... and when in doubt, take a cab.

[Leni]

In the Marigny, 1400 block of Burgundy Street, near the intersection of Esplanade Avenue at the edge of the French Quarter. Back in 2004.
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/07/rock_stars_shooting_case_anoth.html

Several interesting notes: He was walking in the 1400 block of Burgundy after dark, which is one of the most dangerous streets even in the Qtr, not to mention in the Marigny. And that after his companion gave up her purse, that he would "chase the armed attacker back to the car." What unarmed person in their right mind would chase an armed attacker? Maybe he was drunk ...

[festbabe]

((((((((Tommy))))))))))
&
((((((((Tangie)))))))))

[Fred (Texas JF Fanatic)]

Sad, I hope all is well with your friend. Please give us a update soon.

[Corona]

Ugggh Tangie...how horrible for Tommy and how horrible for you :( The whole thing is sickening, especially because it didn't have to go down that way. Healing karma for Tommy, both inside and out.....I'm glad he's going to fight because he needs to get some of that anger out.

My heart hurts for the both of you :(
((((((Tangie and Tommy)))))

[NYMAMA]

That sucks, prayers out to Tommy.
I am on the NOPD's 8th District e-mail list, as well as nolacrimeline which covers the CBD/Quarter/Marigny Triangle. They will let you in on all the dirt, and sometimes even stuff that does not make it to the press. Muggings in the Quarter and nearby neighborhoods happen pretty much on a daily basis.
http://www.nocrimeline.com/
I still walk everywhere in New Orleans and have been lucky so far. These e-mail alerts help me know where the hot spots are. Most muggings take place between midnight and dawn. Most of the time they take your money and run. Tommy was not so lucky. However, do not live in fear or the scumbags win. When walking, try to stay in groups when out late, and travel the busier routes ( Bourbon, Decatur, St. Peter ). It sucks when the Police treat you so crappy, I would definitely tell Tommy to file a complaint ( Maj. Hosli "I think" heads the 8th district ). I hope tommy heals quickly.
I would not cancel a potential move or trip over this, unless you were blissfully unaware that this thing happens in New Orleans , as it does here in Chicago. For the record, if they would tear down the Iberville projects, the Quarter would be a whole lot safer.

Thanks for the link I just subscribed to it.

[Belle]

Just got back to the bored and can only offer my caring and love! Tell Tommy he is cared about and well you know how we love you lady.

{{{HUGS}}}

[marignygreg]

Thanks for the link I just subscribed to it.

No problem. When I lived in Chicago I had my van broken into on a regular basis, as well as a knife put to my throat on one occasion, not to mention being chased on my bike by Latin Kings, saw two dudes, wasted on PCP almost get shot by an under cover cop and so on. Two Chicago cops used to come by once a month to beat the crap out of my neighbor in a side alley and leave him bleeding there, for what I do not know.
To live in an urban area means learning to live with crime, and sometimes corrupt cops. Still beats the hell out of the boring Burbs(where I presently reside ), and I would never discourage anyone from moving to Chicago, the 2nd greatest city in the U.S of A.

[sharon_loves_fats]

Oh that's awful, Tangie. Tell Tommy we're all thinking of him and hoping for a speedy recovery.

[revjimk]

Thats terrible. Thieves & NOPD both suck (or is that redundant?)
Reminds of the Jr. Murvin reggae song I heard years ago on Tip's jukebox: "Police & Thieves"... "in the street, frighten de nation wit their guns & ammunition"...etc.,
Best of luck to your friend
rev

[tangledupinblue]

As someone with 24 years of EMS experience, I cant see why Tulane would be restraining somebody for no reason.

You don't have to see it...it happened.
Always something negative and without knowledge of facts?
I listened to this story first hand and happen to know Tommy quite well. He was NOT wasted and had just been out for an hour with friends.

[innertube]

what can you say.........

Hope your friend gets better soon...

[Chas_P]

Sorry to hear about this Tangie.

But here's two more that send their best to your friend Tommy and hope that things be OK as possible for him, and you.

[Corona]

You don't have to see it...it happened.
Always something negative and without knowledge of facts?
I listened to this story first hand and happen to know Tommy quite well. He was NOT wasted and had just been out for an hour with friends.
((((((Tangie)))))))

[marignygreg]

Never mind:)

[bluedog]

Oh Katy I'm sorry to hear such terrible news. I hope that Tommy is OK! sending healing vibes and positive thoughts his & your way!!!!

[Michelino]

http://us.f905.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=1493_11504871_31987_2385_2739_0_6 504_14088_1966478289&Idx=0&YY=17767&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Inbox

There should be a link on the bottom if anyone wants to get on the mailing list.

I think that is a link to an e-mail in your personal mailbox. We can't see it.

[Blitzzzzz]

Several interesting notes: He was walking in the 1400 block of Burgundy after dark, which is one of the most dangerous streets even in the Qtr, not to mention in the Marigny. And that after his companion gave up her purse, that he would "chase the armed attacker back to the car." What unarmed person in their right mind would chase an armed attacker? Maybe he was drunk ...

Curious why you think Burgundy is so particularly dangerous?? Ah, I see the piece on NolaCrime watch. Interesting theory. They are generally darker and less travelled.:cool:

[MusicRoadMan]

Tangie, I hope your buddy fully recovers and everything works out in his favor. This totally sucks....

Everytime somebody asks me about what it is like in New Orleans now, I say the FQ and downtown area are fairly safe, but just like any large city you have to watch your ass. Then I read something like this and it makes me leary of telling anybody to visit.

[duende]

I hesitated about writing here, mostly because you feel an instant knee-jerk reaction about the treatment of the victims and witnesses, and it should be about the victim's pain and loss. Any assault leaves the victim less whole, carrying a lot of anger and resentment, and more inclined to flinch than to hug. After all the stories of compassion and courage by the medical and law enforcement personnel during, and immediately after, the Katrina exodus, I worry that conditions have reverted (for some) back to the same-old world-weary fatigue that seems to plague the two professions at issue here: law enforcement - citizens are either feeble or perp's, and institutional medicine - patients have to be protected from themselves. Here's hoping that there is eventually enough therapy to go around for all involved.

[marignygreg]

I think that is a link to an e-mail in your personal mailbox. We can't see it.

OOoops..

[Cleophus]

Any assault leaves the victim less whole, carrying a lot of anger and resentment, and more inclined to flinch than to hug.

I was thinking about this too. I hope Tommy recovers fully and quickly!

[chicagomike]

I am not passing judgement on anyone. I am wondering why a respected hospital would restrain a victim. I dont know how that can be construed as "negative".

[Delta]

I am not passing judgement on anyone. I am wondering why a respected hospital would restrain a victim. I dont know how that can be construed as "negative".

Possibly because he had a head wound? Tangie didn't say if his restraints were a C-collar or straps. As you know, head wounds also have the potential to make victims combative or uncooperative. There are several scenarios where restraints would be appropriate, but we don't know the details. They may just be assholes who restrain anyone they don't like.

Tangie, your friend has been on my mind since I first read your post. Please give us an update on him when you can.

[chicagomike]

Delta, you are correct. I didnt consider the c-spine aspect because it sounded like he was ambulatory. However, that also may explain why they would not let him get up until he had x-rays or cleared him if he indeed was boarded and collared. I guess I should have worded my original post better.

[Blitzzzzz]

Delta, you are correct. I didnt consider the c-spine aspect because it sounded like he was ambulatory. However, that also may explain why they would not let him get up until he had x-rays or cleared him if he indeed was boarded and collared. I guess I should have worded my original post better.

All true, but the original post did sound as though the restraints were hostile and un-explained. I had the same reaction, Mike, when I read it. It doesn't add up as written, so far.:cool:

[drdennis]

Delta, you are correct. I didnt consider the c-spine aspect because it sounded like he was ambulatory. However, that also may explain why they would not let him get up until he had x-rays or cleared him if he indeed was boarded and collared. I guess I should have worded my original post better.

even with the c-collar on, the ER would have to be pretty slammed to leave someone strapped to a backboard unattended and without clear explaination, no? and since tulane is a teaching hospital, you'd think there would be a hundred med students and 1st year residents roaming around who aren't yet jaded by the state of healthcare in the US... whatever. still tragic what happened.

as someone who grew up in a big city and has been witness to and victim of more random attacks than he cares to remember (gun held to head = not fun), i'll offer this unsolicited advice: it's all about mindset. always be aware of your surroundings. use common sense. and if you are confronted ...it's ok to give up your wallet and possessions, but it is never ok to give up your life. when the shit hits the fan, just tell yourself that you WILL survive and you WILL win.

peace.

[tangledupinblue]

There is some good news out there. Thank G-D. How about where this shooting was guys? SCARY!
OH and BTW, Tommy was in a C-Spine but they had him there for EVER and the thing about it really was the fact that the cops didn't seem to give a shit to get him help as they dragged him all over the city. Shite, had he been seriously hurt, he would have been dead by the time they dumped him at the hospital.

Mike....we're cool honey. I am just upset.

Shooter off the streets

It took 3 days, but: 8th District detectives arrested a 22-year-old black man on Thursday (6.19.08) for the shoot'em up in the 300 block of Dauphine Street near the Chateau LeMoyne Hotel 3 days earlier on Monday morning.

[tangledupinblue]

Holy crapola. I wrote a letter to the NOcrimeline.com and they posted my story on their site. Check it out. It is the second one down. NICE...

http://www.nocrimeline.com/

[Belle]

Holy crapola. I wrote a letter to the NOcrimeline.com and they posted my story on their site. Check it out. It is the second one down. NICE...

http://www.nocrimeline.com/


Now if Maj. Edwin Hosli, commander of the 8th District follows up with the investigation! Are you or Tommy following up? Let us know what happens Tangie

[chicagomike]

Hopefully we can score one for justice. It is disturbing enough to read about someone getting robbed on the street. It is even worse to read about alleged mistreatment by the NOPD.... They are there to protect the public. Where I work, our police would call for ambulance immediately. That is what the NOPD should have done. Tangie's friend must have been presenting a pretty serious looking injury for the ED staff to immobilize him. It is almost criminal to me that he had added insult to his injury.

[marignygreg]

Armed Robbery F-28937-08



Our victims, W/M & A/F, stated that on Monday, June 23, 2008, at 1:25am, they were walking near the corner of Gov Nicholls and Dauphine when they were approached by an unknown black male. The subject produced a handgun and demanded money. Our female victim dropped her purse on the ground and the subject retrieved it and fled on foot on Dauphine towards Canal, then unknown.



The subject is described as:

Black male 20’s 5’11” 160lbs light brown complexion, wearing dark clothing and a dark cap





Aggravated Assault F-29917-08



Our victim, B/M, stated that on Monday, June 23, 2008, at 7:30pm, he was sitting at a table in the McDonald's at 934 Canal. The victim became involved in an altercation with the subject. The subject produced a pistol and pointed it at the victim. The victim then left the business and contacted the police department. Officers arrived and apprehended the subject.



The arrested subject is:

Byron Wilson Black male 5-24-71

[tangledupinblue]

So the idiot was hanging out in McDonalds after the first robbery. This is crazy. These reports have me NUTS. I am heading to NY next week....I am WAY READY!

[marignygreg]

Tangie, these were two seperate incidents. Have fun in New York and be safe !!

[tangledupinblue]

Tangie, these were two seperate incidents. Have fun in New York and be safe !!

GOSH....of course they were. Can't take it. I was just right next to that McDonalds yesterday. I lived in NYC for years and even lived on 123rd street, right near Harlem and never had a problem and the news was not like this.

SCARY!

[marignygreg]

You need to relax, my friend. Go to www.dead.net. Go to the tapers section and put on somthing from the early 80's. I'm enjoying some gems from the 85 Fall East Coast tour at this moment:)

[tangledupinblue]

You need to relax, my friend. Go to www.dead.net. Go to the tapers section and put on somthing from the early 80's. I'm enjoying some gems from the 85 Fall East Coast tour at this moment:)

HA HA...you are the best...

And what do you think I am watching on tv? 48 hours Mystery and then Without a Trace.

That isn't helping much. Just double bolted my door! I have a safe place and a big locked gate to even get to my place.

[Rossvegas]

I hate to say this, but it has to be said....

Every time I go to New Orleans, I say that it might be my last visit. It's not that I don't love the city - it's actually the complete opposite.

The fact is, I am terrified that sometime...somewhere...some asshole is going to pull a gun or a knife on me, and my NOLA buzz will be ruined forever. I realize that many of you live in major US cities and that some of you have encountered violent crime, but I've been lucky - really lucky. I live in North America's 5th largest city, and although we certainly have our share of badass crimes, most of it is B on B and relegated to certain parts of the city. We don't have a lot of handguns here (at least relative to the US), and I feel pretty safe walking around my hood 24/7.

I don't have any Pollyanna-esque perceptions of NOLA, but I honestly don't know what would happen to me if I was to somehow be violated in my sacred spiritual homeland. I still see NOLA through the prism of a naive 17-year boy from the Canadian Prairies, and the day that I'm confronted with the violent realities of life in the Big Easy...the fantasy is over. I thank Gawd that nothing has happened to me or the ones I love, but it has certainly happened to some of the people around me, and it scares me. A lot.

I read Tangie's posts, and it truly breaks my heart, not just because a friend of hers was so violently attacked, but because she'll never be the same. Here's a woman who has moved to New Orleans for all of the right reasons, amazing spirit in tow, and now she's longing for the 'safety' of NYC. All of the incredible memories, the hazy nights that lasted way too long, the electric moments when the planets align and everything just seems to fall perfectly into place....they're now overlayed with the image of her friend lying in a pool of blood just a few steps off of Bourbon.

I don't expect New Orleans to be Disneyworld (and thank goodness it isn't - no disrespect, Nate!), but my happy memories are now colored with images of Dinneral Shavers, Helen Hill and now, Tangie's friend Tommy among many others. At some point, you have to do a "cost/benefit" analysis, and that decision gets tougher and tougher each and every year.

The worst thing is, if the city scares away visitors and part time residents like Tangie, myself and all of the people who are so extremely passionate about the city, who the f*ck is left? We're hardcore NOLA-philes who can't be dragged away from the city, and yet....everyone has their limits. I'm at the point now where I don't go to Jazzfest with anyone else because I'm terrified that something might happen to them on my watch. The thought of one of my friends, family or loved ones - including myself - being attacked or violated just gives me the chills.

Sorry for the rant, folks. I feel a little better now...but not much.

[marignygreg]

I hate to say this, but it has to be said....

Every time I go to New Orleans, I say that it might be my last visit. It's not that I don't love the city - it's actually the complete opposite.

The fact is, I am terrified that sometime...somewhere...some asshole is going to pull a gun or a knife on me, and my NOLA buzz will be ruined forever. I realize that many of you live in major US cities and that some of you have encountered violent crime, but I've been lucky - really lucky. I live in North America's 5th largest city, and although we certainly have our share of badass crimes, most of it is B on B and relegated to certain parts of the city. We don't have a lot of handguns here (at least relative to the US), and I feel pretty safe walking around my hood 24/7.

I don't have any Pollyanna-esque perceptions of NOLA, but I honestly don't know what would happen to me if I was to somehow be violated in my sacred spiritual homeland. I still see NOLA through the prism of a naive 17-year boy from the Canadian Prairies, and the day that I'm confronted with the violent realities of life in the Big Easy...the fantasy is over. I thank Gawd that nothing has happened to me or the ones I love, but it has certainly happened to some of the people around me, and it scares me. A lot.

I read Tangie's posts, and it truly breaks my heart, not just because a friend of hers was so violently attacked, but because she'll never be the same. Here's a woman who has moved to New Orleans for all of the right reasons, amazing spirit in tow, and now she's longing for the 'safety' of NYC. All of the incredible memories, the hazy nights that lasted way too long, the electric moments when the planets align and everything just seems to fall perfectly into place....they're now overlayed with the image of her friend lying in a pool of blood just a few steps off of Bourbon.

I don't expect New Orleans to be Disneyworld (and thank goodness it isn't - no disrespect, Nate!), but my happy memories are now colored with images of Dinneral Shavers, Helen Hill and now, Tangie's friend Tommy among many others. At some point, you have to do a "cost/benefit" analysis, and that decision gets tougher and tougher each and every year.

The worst thing is, if the city scares away visitors and part time residents like Tangie, myself and all of the people who are so extremely passionate about the city, who the f*ck is left? We're hardcore NOLA-philes who can't be dragged away from the city, and yet....everyone has their limits. I'm at the point now where I don't go to Jazzfest with anyone else because I'm terrified that something might happen to them on my watch. The thought of one of my friends, family or loved ones - including myself - being attacked or violated just gives me the chills.

Sorry for the rant, folks. I feel a little better now...but not much.


" the fantasy is over " ?? C'mon Ross, New Orleans is not fantasy land. It is a major urban area with all the problems that come with it. Just be careful and you can probably avoid being a victim as I have, going on 22 years of frequent visiting and LOTS of late night walking. I doubt anyone, including Tangie, Gumbo, Jada and so on, moves to N'awlins without knowing about the crime issues.

[bluesbaby]

I hate to say this, but it has to be said....

Every time I go to New Orleans, I say that it might be my last visit. It's not that I don't love the city - it's actually the complete opposite.

The fact is, I am terrified that sometime...somewhere...some asshole is going to pull a gun or a knife on me, and my NOLA buzz will be ruined forever. I realize that many of you live in major US cities and that some of you have encountered violent crime, but I've been lucky - really lucky. I live in North America's 5th largest city, and although we certainly have our share of badass crimes, most of it is B on B and relegated to certain parts of the city. We don't have a lot of handguns here (at least relative to the US), and I feel pretty safe walking around my hood 24/7.

I don't have any Pollyanna-esque perceptions of NOLA, but I honestly don't know what would happen to me if I was to somehow be violated in my sacred spiritual homeland. I still see NOLA through the prism of a naive 17-year boy from the Canadian Prairies, and the day that I'm confronted with the violent realities of life in the Big Easy...the fantasy is over. I thank Gawd that nothing has happened to me or the ones I love, but it has certainly happened to some of the people around me, and it scares me. A lot.

I read Tangie's posts, and it truly breaks my heart, not just because a friend of hers was so violently attacked, but because she'll never be the same. Here's a woman who has moved to New Orleans for all of the right reasons, amazing spirit in tow, and now she's longing for the 'safety' of NYC. All of the incredible memories, the hazy nights that lasted way too long, the electric moments when the planets align and everything just seems to fall perfectly into place....they're now overlayed with the image of her friend lying in a pool of blood just a few steps off of Bourbon.

I don't expect New Orleans to be Disneyworld (and thank goodness it isn't - no disrespect, Nate!), but my happy memories are now colored with images of Dinneral Shavers, Helen Hill and now, Tangie's friend Tommy among many others. At some point, you have to do a "cost/benefit" analysis, and that decision gets tougher and tougher each and every year.

The worst thing is, if the city scares away visitors and part time residents like Tangie, myself and all of the people who are so extremely passionate about the city, who the f*ck is left? We're hardcore NOLA-philes who can't be dragged away from the city, and yet....everyone has their limits. I'm at the point now where I don't go to Jazzfest with anyone else because I'm terrified that something might happen to them on my watch. The thought of one of my friends, family or loved ones - including myself - being attacked or violated just gives me the chills.

Sorry for the rant, folks. I feel a little better now...but not much.


Ross, you have a good heart. I agree with everything you have said here. And I know the realities of navigating your way around a big city. I have been to a couple of third world countries, and the rules of common sense HAVE TO be applied no matter where you are, whether its NOLA, or Zimbabwe, or Sau Paulo Brazil. Don't go anywhere alone late at night, dont wander around while impaired, don't wear bling, travel with a mimimum of valuables, and keep a close eye on them at all times. AND I guess the most important one: always be aware of your surroundings and PAY ATTENTION to what's happening around you. Horrible things happen to good decent people all the time. But using common sense can mimimize the risk. I for one, will continue to visit my 'spiritual home town' because I love it. And I will be cautious while enjoying being there.

Thanks for the thoughts, Ross. Eloquently spoken.

Janice

[Rossvegas]

" the fantasy is over " ?? C'mon Ross, New Orleans is not fantasy land. It is a major urban area with all the problems that come with it. Just be careful and you can probably avoid being a victim as I have, going on 22 years of frequent visiting and LOTS of late night walking. I doubt anyone, including Tangie, Gumbo, Jada and so on, moves to N'awlins without knowing about the crime issues.

Greg, I'm not sure you understand what I mean by the "fantasy".

When I was 17, I lived in New Orleans for a year and a half in one of the worst areas of the city - Martin Luther King and Carrolton - and nothing bad ever happened to me. In fact, it was the greatest time of my life...everything I EVER learned in my life, I learned in that year and a half: sex, drugs, love, lust, larceny, street smarts, betrayal...you name it. When I walk through the Quarter, I still recall the exact emotions I experienced the very first time I visited the city. No matter what has ever happened to me in my life, those 18 months in NOLA completely shaped the way I see every facet of my life, even today.

I definitely know about the realities of NOLA (and any major city). After all, as much as we would like to, you can't stay stoopid forever, however...

Being a victim of violent crime is probably the ONLY thing I've never experienced in NOLA, and I would really like to keep it that way; it just doesn't belong alongside the rest of all that the city has given to me.

Make sense?

[Rossvegas]

Ross, you have a good heart. I agree with everything you have said here. And I know the realities of navigating your way around a big city. I have been to a couple of third world countries, and the rules of common sense HAVE TO be applied no matter where you are, whether its NOLA, or Zimbabwe, or Sau Paulo Brazil. Don't go anywhere alone late at night, dont wander around while impaired, don't wear bling, travel with a mimimum of valuables, and keep a close eye on them at all times. AND I guess the most important one: always be aware of your surroundings and PAY ATTENTION to what's happening around you. Horrible things happen to good decent people all the time. But using common sense can mimimize the risk. I for one, will continue to visit my 'spiritual home town' because I love it. And I will be cautious while enjoying being there.

Thanks for the thoughts, Ross. Eloquently spoken.

Janice

Thanks Janice! (blushing) Wanna do Sao Paulo with me?

[bluesbaby]

Thanks Janice! (blushing) Wanna do Sao Paulo with me?

Honey Doll. Been there done that. Rather be in Rio. :)

[denideadhead]

The drive the victim around must be some kind of regular procedure??
this an account of a mugging a young man friend of mine and his freinds experienced in Brooklyn two weeks ago....fotunately no one was beaten up and they only got $15.00 and thier cell phones...luckily when the teens who mugged them at gunpoint(estimated age 16?) discharged the weapon they carried but did not know to use no one was hit....
life on the big city???
Jair's email

"kidz with gunz??? really? well this isnt my first mugging so i was very together and on point. and they are not taking me down only reminding me that im alive.. aside from this instance all is well and unfolding.

The NYPD's retardation actually pissed me off more than the mugging. They took 15 min to arrive after the mugging, picked us up and drove us around for an hour looking for the perps as if they would be chillin outside waiting for the cops to come grab them. then the police asked us if we had any ideas... omg really? really? i was like o sorry i thought u were the police lol... so the muggers accidentally fired a shot as they were leaving the scene so we went back to the spot and me and my friend found the gun shell, the police couldnt even do that. Then i had to remind them to pick it up and take it with them as we were leaving. then spent another 3 hours in the police station while they filed the report.. as i listened to grown men bicker about each other.... thanku for ur support be safe we are all hunted

[Rossvegas]

Honey Doll. Been there done that. Rather be in Rio. :)

Fine, Rio it is! Shall I make the travel arangements? I'm free anytime after Nov. 1st...

[rosetree]

Ross, I'm not doubting you, but do you have your streets right?
MLK doesn't cross Carrolton. It does cross Claiborne.
It doesn't make any difference to your post, but it's just a nagging thing for my feeble brain...;)

[Rossvegas]

Claiborne! That's the one. I guess I got my "C" streets crossed, but it HAS been 30 years... :>)

[rosetree]

Claiborne! That's the one. I guess I got my "C" streets crossed, but it HAS been 30 years... :>)

That's what I figured, but it nagged me....YYR it's not a good neighborhood:eek:

[drdennis]

That isn't helping much. Just double bolted my door! I have a safe place and a big locked gate to even get to my place.

well, we all need a bit of a reality check sometimes -unfortunately this one was at the expense of your friend :( bb elaborated on the common sense issues very well. again, sometimes we just need to be reminded that it can be a crazy world out there. i walked from my house to my parents' house last night with my dog (who is a trained personal protection dog) and my glock (which i have a permit for but very rarely carry). it's a 1.2 mile walk through a "safe" suburban town! but even we are not without our share of muggings and home invasions. better safe than sorry!

[Leni]

This has been a very informative thread. I have been walking the streets of the French Quarter alone at all hours for 15 years -- always on super high alert, walking very fast if it's late at night and no one is on the streets, even ducking behind cars if I see someone driving down the road or a suspicious looking person nearby -- however, after reading this thread and the nocrimewatch blog that was mentioned earlier, I realize I should no longer do so and will probably start taking cabs more often from Frenchmen to the Quarter. It'll be tough to grab a cab when it's gorgeous out at night and all you want to do is walk, but it appears as if it's necessary. :-(

[tangledupinblue]

Just to make this very clear....

I did not write this thread to detour anyone from visiting Nola. I was merely trying to get the story out about how the local police treated my friend and hopefully have it investigated.

Yes, every big city has crime and I certainly know first hand about this. I am just extremely PO'd with how these police treated my friend and how these criminals are most times let off for their crimes. That doesn't happen in many cities like it does down here. These criminals NEED to know that if they screw up then they pay the price!

I love this city and no BS crimes are going to chase me out of it! I am just changing the way I travel around here...that's all.

[jerseygirl67]

Just to make this very clear....

I did not write this thread to detour anyone from visiting Nola. I was merely trying to get the story out about how the local police treated my friend and hopefully have it investigated.

Yes, every big city has crime and I certainly know first hand about this. I am just extremely PO'd with how these police treated my friend and how these criminals are most times let off for their crimes. That doesn't happen in many cities like it does down here. These criminals NEED to know that if they screw up then they pay the price!

I love this city and no BS crimes are going to chase me out of it! I am just changing the way I travel around here...that's all.

Hey sweetie...how is Tommy doing?

[tangledupinblue]

Hey sweetie...how is Tommy doing?

He is doing ok....bruised, sore and lots of headaches but that is to be expected....

He is on the list to speak at the city council meeting this week.

I printed all of the nice words everyone wrote to him and gave them to him the other day. It made him smile!

[ibjamn]

Just to make this very clear....

I did not write this thread to detour anyone from visiting Nola. I was merely trying to get the story out about how the local police treated my friend and hopefully have it investigated.

Yes, every big city has crime and I certainly know first hand about this. I am just extremely PO'd with how these police treated my friend and how these criminals are most times let off for their crimes. That doesn't happen in many cities like it does down here. These criminals NEED to know that if they screw up then they pay the price!

I love this city and no BS crimes are going to chase me out of it! I am just changing the way I travel around here...that's all.

Thank you for this post, chica. Threads like this tend to careen out of control and I was hesitant to post to try to defend my city.
I have been very lucky to have never faced violent crime to myself, family or friends in 38 years of living here and it always makes me extremely sad when I hear about it.

[ozzie]

Thank you for this post, chica. Threads like this tend to careen out of control and I was hesitant to post to try to defend my city.
I have been very lucky to have never faced violent crime to myself, family or friends in 38 years of living here and it always makes me extremely sad when I hear about it.

Jenn, I know how I felt when the grandkid focused on the negative instead of the beauty of your City and I can only imagine how hard it must be to always be on the defensive. Bloody good thing you have hundreds of folk in your life just champing at the bit to get there!

We have been the victim/s of several violent assaults and choose to NOT subscribe to forums that alert me to specific crimes all over the joint. I know they're there and we are through experience VERY careful, but who wants to stay home?

I do understand where Ross is coming from... NOLA is like a fantasy, a dream world that many of us only visit once a year. If something spoiled that, it would be heartbreaking.

[tangledupinblue]

Hey OZ, I was thinking about that yesterday....I subscribed to that NOcrimeline.com and all it is doing is getting me angry. Last thing I need!

I may just unsubscribe....my neighborhood is awesome and I LOVE IT HERE!

[ozzie]

Hey OZ, I was thinking about that yesterday....I subscribed to that NOcrimeline.com and all it is doing is getting me angry. Last thing I need!

I may just unsubscribe....my neighborhood is awesome and I LOVE IT HERE!

Darlin, I knew your posts were out of concern for your mate. You can't survive if you live in fear and too much information can do you in. I'm so glad you live in a safe place... I have been thinking though that you should have adopted that hound. Not only would he take care of all your leftovers, but a hound (or two) is good to have around.

[tangledupinblue]

You mean SCOUT? I WISH! He is my neighbors dog but he does keep an eye on me ;)
Also, I have enough trouble getting MONNNKKKER taken care of when I have to head to NYC.

[chicagomike]

New Orleans is no different the a lot of places when it comes to crime. Hell, I work in a town that has 18,000 people and this month we had 4 people shot in two seperate incidents within a week of each other. Like many other people have already said, use common sense. Sad to say, sometimes that isnt enough.... In New Orleans or even your hometown.

[Frosty]

New Orleans is no different the a lot of places when it comes to crime. Hell, I work in a town that has 18,000 people and this month we had 4 people shot in two seperate incidents within a week of each other. Like many other people have already said, use common sense. Sad to say, sometimes that isnt enough.... In New Orleans or even your hometown.

Are you in Dolton?

BTW, I agree with a lot of what RossVegas has to say. And, as much as I bury my head in the sand and say, these things happen in every city, the fact is they don't. Not in the major tourist areas like that. Considering Navy Pier is Chicago's largest tourist spot, and freely open to the public, I wonder what the violent crime instances are there compared to the Quarter. And, Chicago has had a wave of violent crime lately but almost all of it involves gangs or drugs and the victims are intended, not random. The amount of people having guns pulled on them or the number of shots fired in a major tourist area is disturbing. It won't stop me from going and I am always cautious but it IS disconcerting. And, it isn't only the armed robberies and shootings but brawls as well. When you put so many young drunk men together you are bound to have them. After reading about the Razzoo case and the delayed police response there, it is scary to know that response is so slow, even when it looks like a riot could ensue. The city needs to do everything to ensure response to violence is immediate. Chicago uses bike patrols in it's tourist areas, why can't New Orleans? An extra 20 cops in the Quarter can saturate the area, and the reduction in violence will pay far more than their salary in tourist dollars.

[linza22]

Just to make this very clear....

I did not write this thread to detour anyone from visiting Nola. I was merely trying to get the story out about how the local police treated my friend and hopefully have it investigated.

Yes, every big city has crime and I certainly know first hand about this. I am just extremely PO'd with how these police treated my friend and how these criminals are most times let off for their crimes. That doesn't happen in many cities like it does down here. These criminals NEED to know that if they screw up then they pay the price!

I love this city and no BS crimes are going to chase me out of it! I am just changing the way I travel around here...that's all.

ditto Katy. all cities have their danger. i think it needs to be said so folks are aware...i certainly warn folks when they come to my city about being aware, and when to not walk alone. problem with New Orleans is that folks go down to vacation and relax, and some forget about safety and the buddy system. hope tommy is doing better.

[marignygreg]

Two suspect have been identified in Tommys case. Good news, now go round em up !!

UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE



Update on Armed Robbery F-23683-08



Our victim, W/M, stated that on Thursday, June 19, 2008, at 2:20am, he was walking in the 500 block of Toulouse when he was approached by two unknown black males. Both of the subjects produced pistols and pushed our victim to the ground and demanded money. The victim complied and the subjects fled on foot on Toulouse to Chartres , then unknown.



Eighth District Detectives developed a lead in the case and showed photographic line-ups to our victim who positively identified the perpetrators. A warrant has been issued for the arrest of:



James Dawson Black male 7-3-85 6’00” 160lbs



Tony Graps Black male 6-3-87 5’08” 140lbs

[linza22]

Two suspect have been identified in Tommys case. Good news, now go round em up !!

UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE



Update on Armed Robbery F-23683-08



Our victim, W/M, stated that on Thursday, June 19, 2008, at 2:20am, he was walking in the 500 block of Toulouse when he was approached by two unknown black males. Both of the subjects produced pistols and pushed our victim to the ground and demanded money. The victim complied and the subjects fled on foot on Toulouse to Chartres , then unknown.



Eighth District Detectives developed a lead in the case and showed photographic line-ups to our victim who positively identified the perpetrators. A warrant has been issued for the arrest of:



James Dawson Black male 7-3-85 6’00” 160lbs



Tony Graps Black male 6-3-87 5’08” 140lbs

very good. just called katy and told her you posted.

[sharon_loves_fats]

Wonderful news!!! Thanks for the update.

[jerseygirl67]

Wonderful news!!! Thanks for the update.

That's great! Good news!

[marignygreg]

Greg, I'm not sure you understand what I mean by the "fantasy".

When I was 17, I lived in New Orleans for a year and a half in one of the worst areas of the city - Martin Luther King and Carrolton - and nothing bad ever happened to me. In fact, it was the greatest time of my life...everything I EVER learned in my life, I learned in that year and a half: sex, drugs, love, lust, larceny, street smarts, betrayal...you name it. When I walk through the Quarter, I still recall the exact emotions I experienced the very first time I visited the city. No matter what has ever happened to me in my life, those 18 months in NOLA completely shaped the way I see every facet of my life, even today.

I definitely know about the realities of NOLA (and any major city). After all, as much as we would like to, you can't stay stoopid forever, however...

Being a victim of violent crime is probably the ONLY thing I've never experienced in NOLA, and I would really like to keep it that way; it just doesn't belong alongside the rest of all that the city has given to me.

Make sense?

Makes sense Ross, kinda like if Halle Berry had unbearable halitosis;)
If you spend enough time anywhere, bad things can happen. If you love a place as much as we love New Orleans, you need to accept it, warts and all. I have been assaulted twice in New Orleans. Once in the upper Quarter on Bourbon after the Dead show in 1988, me and a buddy were punched out by some rednecks ( not from New Orleans ) who did not like us talking to their girlfriends, and once on Canal someone tackled me from behind and knocked me down for kicks. I have sensed trouble coming down the street at times and done a 180 to head the other way, or just changed my route. The short blocks and grid layout of the Quarter make it easy to avoid trouble if you see it coming. Tip: always walk on the side of the street with no cars parked.
Stay safe and for Gods sake do not let these thugs stop you from coming to the place you love.

[marignygreg]

Between nolacrimeline, the 8th District e-mails and the Nola.com forums, I stay pretty informed about crime in and around the Quarter. My question is should I keep the updates coming or is this scaring the piss out of everyone?? New Orleans really needs its cultural tourists right now, and I do not want to scare anyone off.

[McGregor]

Between nolacrimeline, the 8th District e-mails and the Nola.com forums, I stay pretty informed about crime in and around the Quarter. My question is should I keep the updates coming or is this scaring the piss out of everyone?? New Orleans really needs its cultural tourists right now, and I do not want to scare anyone off.

I like seeing them fwiw but I certainly understand if people want you to stop posting them.

Maybe start a new thread so if people don't want to read them, they don't have to (like I was told in the politics thread! LOL)

[linza22]

Between nolacrimeline, the 8th District e-mails and the Nola.com forums, I stay pretty informed about crime in and around the Quarter. My question is should I keep the updates coming or is this scaring the piss out of everyone?? New Orleans really needs its cultural tourists right now, and I do not want to scare anyone off.

i think Knowledge is Power. people that come to this board probably have already made the decision to go to New Orleans for jazzfest. i've been mugged in charlotte, but it just made me more aware. i agree with Ross, things have got to change...the quarter has to be safe...i don't think it will stop us as a group...but bringing new folks in...it's gotta hurt.

[Papins]

My friend Tommy was mugged the other night after hanging in the French Quarter with friends. He was on his way home at 1:45am. The problem with this mugging is that he was treated like crap by the local NOPD. They never called an ambulance for him as he bled profusely from the back of his head.
The suspects attacked him, hit him with a pistol and then proceeded to kick and punch him while lying on the ground protecting himself.
Tommy was helped by two young men/strangers on the street, one was an ex-EMT. This is the only good part of the story!
When the police finally arrived they put him in the back of their police car without caring for him. He was in so much pain he could barely speak. The police drove around with him making him help them look for the suspects. Needless to say they were long gone since the police hadn't arrived for 15 minutes after being called. The one cop actually bitched at Tommy for bleeding on the floor of the police station while giving his statement. They NEVER bothered to clean him up or help him at all.
The NOPD finally took Tommy to Tulane Hospital where he was again ignored and treated like crap. They strapped him down to a guerney and didn't allow him to go to the bathroom when he had asked several times. He was forced to go in his pants!

My dear friend was finally released from the hospital around 4:30am and he went right back to the scene of the crime to try to find his wallet, in which he always keeps a little guardian angel for protection. He FOUND his wallet in a trash can a block from his attack.
The idiots that attacked him got all of his $7.00. Guess they got to split a piece of crack or perhaps they hit up another poor soul on another block!

On top of it, Tommy is not a well man. He just had a serious bout with cancer, so he is rather weak. I am sure the IDIOTS that attacked him could have given two shits!

I am sickened by this and just wanted to get his story out as I am positive he is not the only one this happens to or has happened to.

Here is the small article about his attack. The reason it says 2:06 am is because the damn police never showed up until then. Since when is the victim supposed to be treated like the suspects?

ARMED ROBBERY
8TH POLICE DISTRICT
500 block of Toulouse Street, Thursday, 2:06 a.m.� A 58-year-old man was walking in the French Quarter when two men with guns walked toward him. One got behind him and both began to strike him with their weapons. They took money from his pockets and fled. �
Is there a reason the NOPD sucks so bad? Any comments from the NOPD on this?

[ibjamn]

Is there a reason the NOPD sucks so bad? Any comments from the NOPD on this?

I'm thinking the NOPD doesn't read the Jazz Fest forum...

[Moon]

At one time, before the Justice Department had to come in and clean house, they were the 2nd lowest paid metropolitan police force in the country. Back then, we always kept a $100 bill in the watch pocket of our jeans whenever we went to NOLA. This was for the PBF(Policeman's Benevolent Fund)and it would buy you out of anything short of an armed assault with witnesses. It doesn't sound like things have improved all that much since the clean up.

[NYMAMA]

Between nolacrimeline, the 8th District e-mails and the Nola.com forums, I stay pretty informed about crime in and around the Quarter. My question is should I keep the updates coming or is this scaring the piss out of everyone?? New Orleans really needs its cultural tourists right now, and I do not want to scare anyone off.

IMHO I think if you provide the link occasionally it would be better then posting all the info. i think people tend to freak out when reading these updates. Yes there is crime in NOLA that is a given just as there is crime in NYC or any other city maybe more then some maybe less then others. I love her and still plan to relocate there someday. I would not walk down a dark street in NYC by myself at 1am just as I wouldn't do it in NOLA Just my 2cents

[Frosty]

I'm thinking the NOPD doesn't read the Jazz Fest forum...

No, that comes under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security.

[duende]

He is doing ok....bruised, sore and lots of headaches but that is to be expected....

Good to hear he's up and at'em... and, at the risk of repeating myself, if you have a little influence with Tommy maybe you can kyndly nudge him in the direction of some victim's assistance in the coming months for the post-trauma stuff he hasn't had time to come to grips with. My staples came out, but the potential for long-term anger issues and self-doubt take a bit longer to be excised. I suppose the upside is finding that I have a much harder noggin than I would've guessed - the downside is that I'm quick to go on offense now rather than risk being slow to defend. It's not how I saw myself beforehand and it's a little rattling for those closest to me to see the alter-ego (it'd be easier to explain if the "Cain" personality turned green first). But we can all heal - inside & out. :)

[chicagomike]

Frosty, I am not in Dolton but in the same general area. Navy Pier isnt really a good indicator of crime in tourist areas in Chicago. There is MPEA Security and CPD assigned there. There is a lot of crime in Chicago...Even downtown. I think some of it is under reported. But I also think that it is difficult to compare Chicago and New Orleans for various reasons. Although it is better now, you could be from out of town and wander 6 blocks west down Division Street by mistake and face some pretty hairy stuff.

[Delta]

Frosty, I am not in Dolton but in the same general area. Navy Pier isnt really a good indicator of crime in tourist areas in Chicago. There is MPEA Security and CPD assigned there. There is a lot of crime in Chicago...Even downtown. I think some of it is under reported. But I also think that it is difficult to compare Chicago and New Orleans for various reasons. Although it is better now, you could be from out of town and wander 6 blocks west down Division Street by mistake and face some pretty hairy stuff.


Not the least of which is the difference in gun laws.

[Frosty]

Frosty, I am not in Dolton but in the same general area. Navy Pier isnt really a good indicator of crime in tourist areas in Chicago. There is MPEA Security and CPD assigned there. There is a lot of crime in Chicago...Even downtown. I think some of it is under reported. But I also think that it is difficult to compare Chicago and New Orleans for various reasons. Although it is better now, you could be from out of town and wander 6 blocks west down Division Street by mistake and face some pretty hairy stuff.

But, these people aren't wandering 6 blocks from the Quarter. Let's say the Gold Coast, Nort Michigan Avenue, Grant Park, Millenium Park, Wrigleyville. My point is the level of armed violence is disturbing there and they need to do something about it or risk losing what they are trying to regain. Tourists are preyed upon a lot more in the Quarter than in the tourist spots in Chicago. I hope this can be put to a stop.

[tangledupinblue]

The warrants are out, signed by the Judge last night. Swat team has their info and are on their way to get the bastids!

[bluesbaby]

The warrants are out, signed by the Judge last night. Swat team has their info and are on their way to get the bastids!

YEAH! Take those farging iceholes down!

[sophisticated sissy]

To me, Philly is a lot scarier and much more violent than New Orleans. One night walking down the street in Philadelphia , I watched some creep across the street stalking two women. He was probably planning to grab their purses. When they reached their hotel, he looks around for a new target and spots me on the other side of the street.

I played cat & mouse with him for a little while, changing directions, crossing streets and he kept tailing me. He was getting a little too close for comfort, so I crossed the street a final time and hailed a cab.


Once in Queens, NY, I was leaving a club at about 5 AM and a guy dressed in white about 25 feet ahead of my friend and I suddenly whirls around and starts spraying the sidewalk with lead.

My dad was a gun enthusiast and I was well-schooled in weaponry. It is a terrible feeling to be on the wrong side of the firing line. I wanted to jump between two parked cars for cover, but they were all parked bumper-to bumper and I didn't want to draw attention to myself by scrambling over them.

Of course, your mind goes into hyper-drive in situations like this, and I was afraid someone behind me would return fire and I would be caught in the cross-fire. So, I stood there, waiting to see what would happen next, unable to take my eyes off the shooter.

The shooting stops and the smell of gunpowder hangs in the air. Next thing I know, this guy and I are looking into each other's eyes. Since I knew that you're supposed to look at your next target, I figured I was going down. For reasons unknown to me, the guy turns and takes off down the street.

I think that there are too many guns in the wrong hands in the U.S.A. I also like to think of myself as a non violent person. Following those seconds in the incident described above, I received a revealing insight into myself: If I had had a gun on my person, I would have shot that guy's ass.


Here in Cincinnati, we have about 3 murders per week. In the Metro area, probably one per day. When you're on the street, it seems like you have to play by the creeps rules. The type of crime I find most chilling is the home invasion.

In an upscale, neighborhood NE of Cincy, there recently were some jerks whose M.O. was to wait until a female with no companions would pull into her garage and accost her. Multiple crimes of person and property would occur.

I do not carry a weapon. And I hope no one invades my home when I am here, because, in the words of Mr. T, "I pity tha Foo' "! Crime and violence makes all of us ugly.

Tangie, I'm glad to hear that you buddy is mending. :)

[chicagomike]

Delta as you are probably aware, in most cases, it is illegal to own a handgun in Chicago and several suburbs. Chicago still has an astronomical handgun murder rate. Although I am not a "gun person" I dont think gun laws have made much of a difference here. In fact there is huge pipeline of guns that are purchased in Mississippi. Frosty I do agree with you to an extent. But people DO get robbed Downtown, Wrigleyville, Chinatown etc. The news dosent report it because frankly in a metroplotan area of 8 million it just isnt "news". Things do need to change in New Orleans. People like us can only spend so many tourism dollars. Crime, real or perceived is a powerful incentive for first time visitors to stay away. I am asked all the time from people I know "Isnt it dangerous there" ? I always answer truthfully, that yes there are problems, but New Orleans is still such a special place that you are cheating yourself by not coming down and visiting.

[bluesbaby]

To me, Philly is a lot scarier and much more violent than New Orleans. One night walking down the street in Philadelphia , I watched some creep across the street stalking two women. He was probably planning to grab their purses. When they reached their hotel, he looks around for a new target and spots me on the other side of the street.

I played cat & mouse with him for a little while, changing directions, crossing streets and he kept tailing me. He was getting a little too close for comfort, so I crossed the street a final time and hailed a cab.


Once in Queens, NY, I was leaving a club at about 5 AM and a guy dressed in white about 25 feet ahead of my friend and I suddenly whirls around and starts spraying the sidewalk with lead.

My dad was a gun enthusiast and I was well-schooled in weaponry. It is a terrible feeling to be on the wrong side of the firing line. I wanted to jump between two parked cars for cover, but they were all parked bumper-to bumper and I didn't want to draw attention to myself by scrambling over them.

Of course, your mind goes into hyper-drive in situations like this, and I was afraid someone behind me would return fire and I would be caught in the cross-fire. So, I stood there, waiting to see what would happen next, unable to take my eyes off the shooter.

The shooting stops and the smell of gunpowder hangs in the air. Next thing I know, this guy and I are looking into each other's eyes. Since I knew that you're supposed to look at your next target, I figured I was going down. For reasons unknown to me, the guy turns and takes off down the street.

I think that there are too many guns in the wrong hands in the U.S.A. I also like to think of myself as a non violent person. Following those seconds in the incident described above, I received a revealing insight into myself: If I had had a gun on my person, I would have shot that guy's ass.


Here in Cincinnati, we have about 3 murders per week. In the Metro area, probably one per day. When you're on the street, it seems like you have to play by the creeps rules. The type of crime I find most chilling is the home invasion.

In an upscale, neighborhood NE of Cincy, there recently were some jerks whose M.O. was to wait until a female with no companions would pull into her garage and accost her. Multiple crimes of person and property would occur.

I do not carry a weapon. And I hope no one invades my home when I am here, because, in the words of Mr. T, "I pity tha Foo' "! Crime and violence makes all of us ugly.

Tangie, I'm glad to hear that you buddy is mending. :)

OMG, Sophie Sissie
Heck of a night you had! Like you, I think too many guns are in the wrong hands. And like you, I would have taken him out if I had a weapon handy. And also like you, I will be a force to be reckoned with if someone decides to break into my apt while I am there. I am dead-on bawls accurate with my S&W .38 spec at close range. In Texas, you assume if there's a guy standing in your home in the middle of the night, he aint there to deliver girl scout cookies. I don't think I'd hesitate to pull the trigger.

[jerseygirl67]

OMG, Sophie Sissie
Heck of a night you had! Like you, I think too many guns are in the wrong hands. And like you, I would have taken him out if I had a weapon handy. And also like you, I will be a force to be reckoned with if someone decides to break into my apt while I am there. I am dead-on bawls accurate with my S&W .38 spec at close range. In Texas, you assume if there's a guy standing in your home in the middle of the night, he aint there to deliver girl scout cookies. I don't think I'd hesitate to pull the trigger.

Guns freak me out. Never have really been around them. My brother was on the job for 10 years and he would come home for dinner and put it up on top of the china cabinet. it always looked so menacing to me.

[Muffaletta Diver]

Don't get me started on the absurdity of the legality of handguns in this country. There are only two uses for a handgun: 1) To do harm to someone. 2) To protect yourself from someone intending to do you harm. Without the number 1s the number 2s go away.

I don't believe we'll ever be able to get rid of all the handguns. However, I'd sure as hell like to see someone get rid of all the handgun bullets.

[Rossvegas]

Folks, I hope everyone understands that I'm not scumming New Orleans out because it is a "violent city". I still think it is one of the best cities on the planet, and it is truly the cradle of American culture.

The thing is, I desperately want to see NOLA rise to its true potential and to (at the very least) become what it was before the thing. Since the powers that be have determined that tourism is going to be the lynchpin of this rebuilding strategy, it only makes sense that the goal would be to make NOLA the safest city it can possibly be. It needs to be safe so that tourists will return, conventions will return and most importantly, residents will return.

I admire and commend everyone that is living there now, and all those that never left, but the reality is that they're not going to be handing out medals to anyone for it. Many people have left, others have returned and left again, and it just pisses me off that Nagin et al can't seem to understand that safety, security and peace of mind are the cornerstones of everything they are hoping to accomplish.

It doesn't matter if it is NOLA, Chicago or Detroit; if you can't provide people with a safe and secure quality of life, both tourists and residents will leave. Hell, Toronto is filled with people from all over the planet who fled their beloved homelands for one reason or another - they love their home countries, but they realize that they have options and they've chosen to exercise them for the sake of a better life. I just want the power elite in NOLA to wake up and concentrate on making the place desireable for EVERYONE!

[Delta]

Guns in untrained, malice-on-their-minds hands freak me out.

[sophisticated sissy]

Don't get me started on the absurdity of the legality of handguns in this country. There are only two uses for a handgun: 1) To do harm to someone. 2) To protect yourself from someone intending to do you harm. Without the number 1s the number 2s go away.

I don't believe we'll ever be able to get rid of all the guns. However, I'd sure as hell like to see someone get rid of all the bullets.

:) Your last statement is correct. However, guns only have two purposes, IMO,
1) to maim and 2) to kill. It's the only consumer product with that distinction.

Of course, even if we took away all the guns, people would still find away to perpetuate violence against each other. :(

[chicagomike]

Anybody remember the idiot who accidently shot a family member on Bourbon Street ? He was carrying the gun for "protection".

[bluesbaby]

:) Your last statement is correct. However, guns only have two purposes, IMO,
1) to maim and 2) to kill. It's the only consumer product with that distinction.

Of course, even if we took away all the guns, people would still find away to perpetuate violence against each other. :(

Plus the biggest problem with making owning a gun illegal, is that all that accomplishes is the good citizens would no longer have guns. The criminals will always find a way to get ahold of weapons, whether its illegal to own one or not.

[Rossvegas]

In Texas, you assume if there's a guy standing in your home in the middle of the night, he aint there to deliver girl scout cookies. I don't think I'd hesitate to pull the trigger.

Gee, remind me never to stand in your home in the middle of the night! Does that apply to invited guests too? :>)

So a few posts back you used the term "farging iceholes". I used to play hockey on a beer league team and we were called the "Fargon Iceholes" - do you remember which movie that was from? It has been making me crazy lately trying to remember it!

[Muffaletta Diver]

Plus the biggest problem with making owning a gun illegal, is that all that accomplishes is the good citizens would no longer have guns. The criminals will always find a way to get ahold of weapons, whether its illegal to own one or not.

LOL. Good citizens need guns!

I say we just make slingshots much more accessible, perhaps give them away so that they find their way into the hands of the laziest criminals.

[sophisticated sissy]

OMG, Sophie Sissie
Heck of a night you had! Like you, I think too many guns are in the wrong hands. And like you, I would have taken him out if I had a weapon handy. And also like you, I will be a force to be reckoned with if someone decides to break into my apt while I am there. I am dead-on bawls accurate with my S&W .38 spec at close range. In Texas, you assume if there's a guy standing in your home in the middle of the night, he aint there to deliver girl scout cookies. I don't think I'd hesitate to pull the trigger.

Ah!!!!:eek: Remind me not to stop by your tent & wake you up too suddenly at CFF or somethin'! :)

I don't own a handgun. I think you'd have to become a slave to it. You have to practice shooting it regularly. You'd have to carry it everywhere you go. Where I live, chances are pretty high that if someone entered my home when I was away and I returned while they were still in the house, I'd end up being shot with my own gun.

Not criticizing you, Bluesbaby, just my two cents' worth.

[Muffaletta Diver]

Gee, remind me never to stand in your home in the middle of the night! Does that apply to invited guests too? :>)

So a few posts back you used the term "farging iceholes". I used to play hockey on a beer league team and we were called the "Fargon Iceholes" - do you remember which movie that was from? It has been making me crazy lately trying to remember it!

Johnny Dangerously, you bastage!

[bluesbaby]

Ah!!!!:eek: Remind me not to stop by your tent & wake you up too suddenly at CFF or somethin'! :)

I don't own a handgun. I think you'd have to become a slave to it. You have to practice shooting it regularly. You'd have to carry it everywhere you go. Where I live, chances are pretty high that if someone entered my home when I was away and I returned while they were still in the house, I'd end up being shot with my own gun.

Not criticizing you, Bluesbaby, just my two cents' worth.

Sophie Sissie,
You have nothing to worry about. When in a CFF atmosphere, I am prepared for drunken revelers to bumble into my tent mistakenly, and would gently escort them out and send them on their happy way. And I do spend time at the range. I think a gun owner has a responsibility to use their weapon wisely and that means being comfortable shooting it. And exercising good judgment about avoiding situations that might make its use necessary or even tempting. I have no points to prove, no chip on my shoulder, and would go out of my way to avoid conflict. My home is the one place I should be able to feel safe. And it is the one place I would use that weapon if it were necessary. I do not disagree with you S.S. Choosing whether to own a gun is a huge decision and a very personal one. I might have a different attitude if I had kids in the house. Since I don't, I don't have the worry of a child finding the gun.
Just my 2 cents worth. :)

[bluesbaby]

Johnny Dangerously, you bastage!

Heavens yeah! Funny funny movie! Its an eighty eight magnum! It shoots through schools! LOL

Oh, and Rossie. If you are invited, you are welcome. No fear of flying bullets. :)

[marignygreg]

Folks, I hope everyone understands that I'm not scumming New Orleans out because it is a "violent city". I still think it is one of the best cities on the planet, and it is truly the cradle of American culture.

The thing is, I desperately want to see NOLA rise to its true potential and to (at the very least) become what it was before the thing. Since the powers that be have determined that tourism is going to be the lynchpin of this rebuilding strategy, it only makes sense that the goal would be to make NOLA the safest city it can possibly be. It needs to be safe so that tourists will return, conventions will return and most importantly, residents will return.

I admire and commend everyone that is living there now, and all those that never left, but the reality is that they're not going to be handing out medals to anyone for it. Many people have left, others have returned and left again, and it just pisses me off that Nagin et al can't seem to understand that safety, security and peace of mind are the cornerstones of everything they are hoping to accomplish.

It doesn't matter if it is NOLA, Chicago or Detroit; if you can't provide people with a safe and secure quality of life, both tourists and residents will leave. Hell, Toronto is filled with people from all over the planet who fled their beloved homelands for one reason or another - they love their home countries, but they realize that they have options and they've chosen to exercise them for the sake of a better life. I just want the power elite in NOLA to wake up and concentrate on making the place desireable for EVERYONE!

High crime has not stoped tourists from flocking to Jamaica, Rio, Miami, LA and so on. The Quarter has always been a high crime area as long as I can remember. It got better under Chief Pennington, but has reverted back since 9-11. When I closed on my New Orleans house in 1996, three people were murdered the night before,in cold blood at Louisiana Pizza Kitchen in the shadow of the Mint/ French Market.Just be careful and continue to enjoy New Orleans.

[Zydekitten]

Don't get me started on the absurdity of the legality of handguns in this country. There are only two uses for a handgun: 1) To do harm to someone. 2) To protect yourself from someone intending to do you harm. Without the number 1s the number 2s go away.

I don't believe we'll ever be able to get rid of all the handguns. However, I'd sure as hell like to see someone get rid of all the handgun bullets.
I'm wit chu, MD!

We're never going to be able to get guns out of folks' homes . . . just make the bullets illegal or unobtainable.

"Gun control? We need bullet control! I think every bullet should cost 5,000 dollars. Because if a bullet cost five thousand dollars, we wouldn't have any innocent bystanders.
-- Chris Rock (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/chrisrock403664.html) "

[Leni]

Between nolacrimeline, the 8th District e-mails and the Nola.com forums, I stay pretty informed about crime in and around the Quarter. My question is should I keep the updates coming or is this scaring the piss out of everyone?? New Orleans really needs its cultural tourists right now, and I do not want to scare anyone off.

Greg, I personally, would like to get the updates. Is there any way you can email them to me at my personal email address? Or how about a thread that only includes updates? One thread could be for updates. Another thread could be for comments on the updates so that one doesn't get bogged down in comments if you're just looking for the raw data?

[Leni]

All the crime info is disturbing, but it is helpful to know about it for those of us who vacation in the Quarter where it is so tempting to walk around at all hours of the day and night and have gotten complacent (such as myself) and have been taking unnecessary risks. It will certainly not dissuade me (nor I hope anyone who loves the City) from returning, but it will definitely make me more careful when walking in the Qtr or when deciding whether or not to take a cab. Just an important wake-up call, IMHO.

[swag]

Greg, I personally, would like to get the updates. Is there any way you can email them to me at my personal email address? Or how about a thread that only includes updates? One thread could be for updates. Another thread could be for comments on the updates so that one doesn't get bogged down in comments if you're just looking for the raw data?

My two cents, I'd really rather not have a thread devoted to regular crime updates. Those who want them can get them via email.

[NYMAMA]

My two cents, I'd really rather not have a thread devoted to regular crime updates. Those who want them can get them via email.

I agree

[Rossvegas]

Heavens yeah! Funny funny movie! Its an eighty eight magnum! It shoots through schools! LOL

Oh, and Rossie. If you are invited, you are welcome. No fear of flying bullets. :)

What do you mean "if" I'm invited? I already have the car packed up!

I dunno, BB...you sound like a real badass to me. I guess Ry Cooder was right when he sang "That's The Way the Girls Are Down in Texas", eh? :>)

Well, I met a girl from Texas 'bout a year ago
Hadn't known her for too long when I had to let her go
You see, she had a razor, was ten inches or so
And every night you'd hear her knocking at my door
She said, "Baby, I'll give you the clothes on my back
You can have everything that I've got in my shack
But if you ever try to leave they'll take your out in sack
'Cause me and my razor will see to that"

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas

I thought about my situation, decided not to tarry
For my own self preservation I decided we should marry
When the preacher started reading 'bout 'till death do us part
I told him, "Skip it, we had that understanding right from the start"

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Houston to San Antone)
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Got to love 'em right or leave
'em alone)

Well, we settled down, got me a little old job, '65 Fairlane Ford
Every Friday night I would stop in and cash my pay check down at the
grocery store
They had a little girl worked in there, must have been about seventeen
She was the cutest thing I had ever seen

It's the same old story and I'm afraid it wasn't too very long
Before we had fallen deeply in love and I knew it was wrong
I said baby, we got to stop this thing right here
Or my woman is gonna cut my throat from ear to ear, that's right
Tearful suffocation, she looked up in my face
I could feel her heart was breaking as these sad words she did say
"You should have told me you was married, baby
She pulled out a forty-five and let me have it, right smack between the
eyes

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas

She was guilty, I was dead
Now, what'd you think that the old judge said ?
"Ah, that's just the way the girls are down here in Texas
Case dismissed!"

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Houston to San Antone)
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Got to love 'em right or leave
'em alone, boy)

[glinda]

My two cents, I'd really rather not have a thread devoted to regular crime updates. Those who want them can get them via email.
Agree, swag. This forum is hosted by jazzfest and visited by those who may just be thinking of coming.

[tangledupinblue]

My two cents, I'd really rather not have a thread devoted to regular crime updates. Those who want them can get them via email.

I am with Swag on this one. I even unsubscribed to mine because it was taking over my life. Plus the damn news is bad enough! I guess I could just ignore it if it is a thread though....
I need an Abita!

[sophisticated sissy]

My two cents, I'd really rather not have a thread devoted to regular crime updates. Those who want them can get them via email.

Same here.

[Frosty]

Frosty I do agree with you to an extent. But people DO get robbed Downtown, Wrigleyville, Chinatown etc. The news dosent report it because frankly in a metroplotan area of 8 million it just isnt "news".

Yes, but I doubt it's one per day like in the Quarter. However, I still, while using precautions mentioned in other posts, do not worry much about it because even if it is one or two per night in the Quarter, how many thousands of people flock there every night? I like the odds. I just wish they were lower.

[revjimk]

Rossvegas
I always dug that song. Can't believe you took the time to type all the lyrics. Or did you download?
Bluesbaby, etc.:
I have mixed feelings on the handgun issue. I recall a few years back a gun shop owner was on the tube in Denver saying a pump shotgun was the best home defence. He racked a round into the chamber, saying "this is an unmistakeable sound. If a criminal hears this, you probably won't have to use it."
Years ago I was camping in Alaska & a guy asked what I had for protection against bears. I told him I sang when I walked to the tent. He went on & on how I needed a gun, finally I said, "I don't have one. Lend me one or change the subject". Believe it or not, he goes to his truck & lends me a 44 magnum & shoulder holster, then gives me instructions on how to shoot a bear. I was a nervous wreck with that thing. Finally after he needed it back, I continued singing. Felt much better, no bears.
The other thing is that the most common murder is husband/ wife. Gun is there for "Protection", then tempers flare...
I have a rifle but haven't used it for years.
rev

[bluesbaby]

What do you mean "if" I'm invited? I already have the car packed up!

I dunno, BB...you sound like a real badass to me. I guess Ry Cooder was right when he sang "That's The Way the Girls Are Down in Texas", eh? :>)


Ross, you are invited for sure, HOWEVER, are you sure your tender fair skin can take our Texas sun? We are pretty tough down here, including the wimmins! LOL

[Corona]

The warrants are out, signed by the Judge last night. Swat team has their info and are on their way to get the bastids!
hooray!! Keep us posted Tangie. That's great news....hugs for you and Tommy. Glad our messages made him smile a bit. I showed this to Ed last night and it really bummed him out that this happened to Tommy. It'll never deter me from going to Nola nor will it deter me from telling people it's THE most amazing place on earth!

[marignygreg]

My two cents, I'd really rather not have a thread devoted to regular crime updates. Those who want them can get them via email.

The people have spoken, no crime updates.

Leni, I would subscribe to nolacrimeline for regular updates as well as links to the 8th District mailing list.

[Belle]

What do you mean "if" I'm invited? I already have the car packed up!

I dunno, BB...you sound like a real badass to me. I guess Ry Cooder was right when he sang "That's The Way the Girls Are Down in Texas", eh? :>)

Well, I met a girl from Texas 'bout a year ago
Hadn't known her for too long when I had to let her go
You see, she had a razor, was ten inches or so
And every night you'd hear her knocking at my door
She said, "Baby, I'll give you the clothes on my back
You can have everything that I've got in my shack
But if you ever try to leave they'll take your out in sack
'Cause me and my razor will see to that"

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas

I thought about my situation, decided not to tarry
For my own self preservation I decided we should marry
When the preacher started reading 'bout 'till death do us part
I told him, "Skip it, we had that understanding right from the start"

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Houston to San Antone)
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Got to love 'em right or leave
'em alone)

Well, we settled down, got me a little old job, '65 Fairlane Ford
Every Friday night I would stop in and cash my pay check down at the
grocery store
They had a little girl worked in there, must have been about seventeen
She was the cutest thing I had ever seen

It's the same old story and I'm afraid it wasn't too very long
Before we had fallen deeply in love and I knew it was wrong
I said baby, we got to stop this thing right here
Or my woman is gonna cut my throat from ear to ear, that's right
Tearful suffocation, she looked up in my face
I could feel her heart was breaking as these sad words she did say
"You should have told me you was married, baby
She pulled out a forty-five and let me have it, right smack between the
eyes

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas

She was guilty, I was dead
Now, what'd you think that the old judge said ?
"Ah, that's just the way the girls are down here in Texas
Case dismissed!"

That's the way the girls are from Texas
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Houston to San Antone)
That's the way the girls are from Texas (Got to love 'em right or leave
'em alone, boy)


BB has such an effect on men;) I am a Texas native and have never gotten such treatment:p I hope you know this is in fun

[Belle]

Plus the biggest problem with making owning a gun illegal, is that all that accomplishes is the good citizens would no longer have guns. The criminals will always find a way to get ahold of weapons, whether its illegal to own one or not.


DC's court case should be won for the side to arm yourself. I don't have a gun but if I lived in DC I would sure want one. God knows the perps have them and use them.

Backpacking with bears would be another cause to own one.

[Belle]

Guns in untrained, malice-on-their-minds hands freak me out.

And it happens by the minute everywhere in this Country.

[Papins]

I know it's been said before, but cities with the most restrictive laws regarding legal gun ownership, have the high crime rates. I'm thinking in particular of Philadelphia, Washington D.C. and NYC.

[Rossvegas]

BB has such an effect on men;) I am a Texas native and have never gotten such treatment:p I hope you know this is in fun

Oh, don't worry - I'm scared to death of you too! :>)

[Papins]

The warrants are out, signed by the Judge last night. Swat team has their info and are on their way to get the bastids!

Hope the perps "resist" arrest and have to be brought under control with a baton.

[marignygreg]

BB has such an effect on men;) I am a Texas native and have never gotten such treatment:p I hope you know this is in fun

I would be very happy between the two of you ;)...

[BigBopper]

That is a sad tale indeed.

It used to be (pre K) that the Quarter was actually a relatively safe place to be. Violent crime strictly within the French Quarter borders was rare, and in my younger days I was a prime (i.e. wasted), albeit broke target. I wandered alone aimlessly until and beyond sunrise without incident and wondered what all the concern was about.

Nowadays, I think the muggers are mostly just desperate crack addicts so I'd just look at the ground, give them my wallet and hopefully walk away injury free and alive.

[saturn]

I know it's been said before, but cities with the most restrictive laws regarding legal gun ownership, have the high crime rates. I'm thinking in particular of Philadelphia, Washington D.C. and NYC.

And isn't it peculiar, the safest large cities in North America - Montreal and Ottawa -- also have restrictive laws regarding gun ownership. :confused:

[linza22]

That is a sad tale indeed.

It used to be (pre K) that the Quarter was actually a relatively safe place to be. Violent crime strictly within the French Quarter borders was rare, and in my younger days I was a prime (i.e. wasted), albeit broke target. I wandered alone aimlessly until and beyond sunrise without incident and wondered what all the concern was about.

Nowadays, I think the muggers are mostly just desperate crack addicts so I'd just look at the ground, give them my wallet and hopefully walk away injury free and alive.

what confuses me, and i think it's been said on here before, is why can't the police keep the quarter safe? it's not that large of an area....imho.

[Papins]

And isn't it peculiar, the safest large cities in North America - Montreal and Ottawa -- also have restrictive laws regarding gun ownership. :confused: any thoughts on why?

[Frosty]

I know it's been said before, but cities with the most restrictive laws regarding legal gun ownership, have the high crime rates. I'm thinking in particular of Philadelphia, Washington D.C. and NYC.

Huh, NYC? They have a relatively low violent crime rate.

[Belle]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guns

[Michelino]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guns

Maybe July 4th in Amercia will be more like Beirut now --gun nuts everywhere firing their assault rifles into the air.

I hope that Kennedy and the four SCOTUS right wingers really go celebrate. Someone should send the entire bunch of goons on a hunting retreat with Dick Cheney.

[Frosty]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_guns


Time to break out the "Who's Ass Would Jesus Blow Away" wristbands.

Actually, I'm mixed on this. It pissed me off when a guy in our town had to face trial for violating the handgun ban in our town after he shot a burglar who had returned to his home for the second time in a week. There should not be laws that prevent people from defending themselves. But, I'm also agaisnt the idea of concealed carry for everyone. The whole concept of average citizens engaging in a shoot up in the Quarter or other places is more frightening than what exists now. After all, most of the killings are targeted between gang bangers and the fact that the victim is just as armed up or could be just as armed up is no deterrent. A barrage of bullets has never helped those situations and it won't help in the Quarter.

[Rossvegas]

any thoughts on why?

Well, I'll try to weigh in on this a little...

We've never really had much of a gun culture up here. Farmers and hunters seem to be the big gun owners, and that usually only for chasing away varmints. We're seeing a real wave of handguns popping up in Toronto, Winnipeg and Vancouver, but even that is mostly gang and thug related stuff. It's technically illegal to own a handgun (or virtually impossible to get a permit), but that doesn;t seem to stop the bad guys from buying stolen weapons or guns smuggled up here from the US.

I completely understand why Americans would WANT to own guns, especially when it comes to protecting your families. With that said, I'm kind of glad I don't own one because I KNOW that I would have pulled it on a few clients when I was trying to collect money or waved it at some asshole who cut me off on the highway! Owning a gun (in my opinion) certainly makes you feel a little safer, but it also empowers people beyond what might be reasonable....turning generally honest people into Charles Bronson types when the situation demands.

In short, I wouldn't trust myself if I owned a gun. Instead of negotiating and communicating, I would probably go straight for the path of least resistance, place the gun on the table and say "this isn't a negotiation". If I'm prepared to do that, and if everyone else is prepared to do that, everything just ramps up to a whole new level.

I recall flying to L.A. several years ago with a bunch of people from Edmonton to watch the Oilers play the Kings. The locals were heckling Gretzky (who was still with the Oilers at the time) and the Edmonton people were heckling back. It was all good fun with lots of one-liners flying back and forth until it started getting a little personal, and then some guy from L.A. reached into his jacket and produced his gun. It was presented as a real "F you" kind of trump card, and the Edmontonians were terrified. I had to remind them that there were more registered handguns in Los Angeles than there were people in all of Canada....the game got real quiet after that.

[Delta]

Very good response Ross. Time after time after time I've seen handguns used as the first resort rather than the last. Incidences of handguns used inside a home for self-defense are an infinitesimal portion of all handgun incidents.

[ohio]

Time to break out the "Who's Ass Would Jesus Blow Away" wristbands.

Actually, I'm mixed on this. It pissed me off when a guy in our town had to face trial for violating the handgun ban in our town after he shot a burglar who had returned to his home for the second time in a week. There should not be laws that prevent people from defending themselves. But, I'm also agaisnt the idea of concealed carry for everyone. The whole concept of average citizens engaging in a shoot up in the Quarter or other places is more frightening than what exists now. After all, most of the killings are targeted between gang bangers and the fact that the victim is just as armed up or could be just as armed up is no deterrent. A barrage of bullets has never helped those situations and it won't help in the Quarter.
The theory here is that in places where conceled carry is permitted (or guns being common among decent citizenry), thugs think twice about starting trouble. I don't know if this is how it actually pans out (Ohio just began permitting for conceled carry). Maybe someone wants to research that....?

[Delta]

Traditionally, the SE U.S. has always had the highest violent crime rate according to the FBI UCR data. Deep South and Southeastern states, by and large, have very open access to weapons and some of the most lax gun laws in the country. There's a reason MS is the #1 source of strawman purchases.

I don't have any hard statistical numbers for violent crime rates correlating to states with gunslinger laws, but I do know that accidental shootings are higher in places where handguns are prevalent, as are domestic-related shootings.

[sharon_loves_fats]

I don't think thugs ever think twice about starting trouble. That's part of what makes them thugs.

[Frosty]

The theory here is that in places where conceled carry is permitted (or guns being common among decent citizenry), thugs think twice about starting trouble. I don't know if this is how it actually pans out (Ohio just began permitting for conceled carry). Maybe someone wants to research that....?

Yes, that is the theory but it doesn't seem to stop them from opening fire on each other, knowing the person they are firing upon is likely armed.

[Papins]

Time to break out the "Who's Ass Would Jesus Blow Away" wristbands.

Or:

-Who would Jesus mug?

-Who's home would Jesus invade?

-Who would Jesus rape?

-Where would Jesus set up a crack house/meth lab?

[marignygreg]

Or:

-Who would Jesus mug?

-Who's home would Jesus invade?

-Who would Jesus rape?

-Where would Jesus set up a crack house/meth lab?

a) Judas ?
b) House serving last supper.
c)Not going there.
d) The little town of Methleham ??

[Frosty]

The little town of Methleham ??


OK, that one cracked me up. even better than Oh Christmas Weed

[jonnygospeltent]

Both sides on the gun control argument can quote all sorts of stats till they are blue in the face to prove that their side is right.
Let's keep this thread focused on wishing Tommy a speedy and complete recovery,catching and prosecuting the ^%$#$%^s , and reminding ourselves to use caution at all times.

[Belle]

I would be very happy between the two of you ;)...


Oh MY!!! Thanks sweetie!

[bluesbaby]

I second that 'Oh My' , Belle. Thank you, from me, too. :o

[Cleophus]

The theory here is that in places where conceled carry is permitted (or guns being common among decent citizenry), thugs think twice about starting trouble.

Not picking on you Ohio, but

The problem is that "normal" people think twice about starting "trouble" too. As in, if I honk my horn at someone -- and not just a 'thug', 'cause now it's easier for all people to carry guns, and it will soon get easier for most people to conceal and carry -- do I have to worry that I'll get shot? If I root for the wrong team at a ballgame? If I look at someone's girl in a way that gets misinterpreted?

So we all get dumbed down and fearful. A shitty recipe for a high-functioning society.

A gun -- unlike a fist, knife, sword, pepper spray, axe, etc. -- makes it a lot easier to do a LOT of permanent damage in an instant, in a moment of bad judgement or an accident. Ban handguns.

[Michelino]

If thugs were so reluctant to take on gun-owners, why are they so willing to break into these very same people's homes to steal a piece or two when needed? In fact, without gun-owners and gun shops, how does your everyday gun-toting thug gets equipment?

[linza22]

If thugs were so reluctant to take on gun-owners, why are they so willing to break into these very same people's homes to steal a piece or two when needed? In fact, without gun-owners and gun shops, how does your everyday gun-toting thug gets equipment?

i can't have a gun because i sleep walk...but i'm sort of glad i don't. i think i might me one of those crazies that would shoot someones tire if they cut me off on the highway! (i usually take the train/bus for this reason!charlotte drivers are the worst!)

[Papins]

If thugs were so reluctant to take on gun-owners, why are they so willing to break into these very same people's homes to steal a piece or two when needed? In fact, without gun-owners and gun shops, how does your everyday gun-toting thug gets equipment? I'm guessing in large part, because the home owner isn't home, or asleep. Faced with an armed home owner who's not afraid to shoot to kill is a different story. If you pull a gun on someone to protect your family/self etc, you damn well better be prepared to shoot to kill. A dead intruder means there's only one tale to tell. Call your attorney first, have the attorney call police, and answer NO police questions without your attorney present.

[marignygreg]

I'm guessing in large part, because the home owner isn't home, or asleep. Faced with an armed home owner who's not afraid to shoot to kill is a different story. If you pull a gun on someone to protect your family/self etc, you damn well better be prepared to shoot to kill. A dead intruder means there's only one tale to tell. Call your attorney first, have the attorney call police, and answer NO police questions without your attorney present.

Also, make sure you shoot em when they are in the house, not outside. Found this on nola.com forums: believe it or not i was actually told this by a police officer in northern maine. his exact words were "ayuh, well...you can only shoot 'em if they're in the house, so just make sure you drag 'em inside before they bleed on the sidewalk."

[ibjamn]

Also, make sure you shoot em when they are in the house, not outside. Found this on nola.com forums: believe it or not i was actually told this by a police officer in northern maine. his exact words were "ayuh, well...you can only shoot 'em if they're in the house, so just make sure you drag 'em inside before they bleed on the sidewalk."


I was told this by a NOPD cop at my old house in the Bywater. They have to be half-way in, so drag em if you need to!

[glinda]

Not picking on you Ohio, but

The problem is that "normal" people think twice about starting "trouble" too. As in, if I honk my horn at someone -- and not just a 'thug', 'cause now it's easier for all people to carry guns, and it will soon get easier for most people to conceal and carry -- do I have to worry that I'll get shot? If I root for the wrong team at a ballgame? If I look at someone's girl in a way that gets misinterpreted?

So we all get dumbed down and fearful. A shitty recipe for a high-functioning society.

A gun -- unlike a fist, knife, sword, pepper spray, axe, etc. -- makes it a lot easier to do a LOT of permanent damage in an instant, in a moment of bad judgement or an accident. Ban handguns.
yes, well put Cleo.

[Moon]

If thugs were so reluctant to take on gun-owners, why are they so willing to break into these very same people's homes to steal a piece or two when needed? In fact, without gun-owners and gun shops, how does your everyday gun-toting thug gets equipment?

According to that left-wing, pinko organization, The National Safety Council, the chances of you preventing a crime in your home with a gun are 1 in 1000. The chances of somebody in your home being injured by that same gun are 1 in 10. The National Association of Police Chiefs have said that 80% of the weapons used in the commission of a crime are stolen from peoples homes.

In other words, the NRA in their zeal to protect the American homeowner, are in fact making it more likely someone in the household will be injured by said gun, while at the same time, helping arm the very criminals were suppose to feel threatened by.

[Frosty]

Some light reading on a case that occured about a mile from my house.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36162.html

[Michelino]

Also, make sure you shoot em when they are in the house, not outside. Found this on nola.com forums: believe it or not i was actually told this by a police officer in northern maine. his exact words were "ayuh, well...you can only shoot 'em if they're in the house, so just make sure you drag 'em inside before they bleed on the sidewalk."

Thanks, but if I was looking for blood sports, I hear that they are rounding up the last herd of bison in Yellowstone for our shooting pleasure (http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/)and would be big game hunters and assorted other gun nuts are all over it like so many buzzards on carrion

[revjimk]

Good points, Johnny Gospeltent & Cleophus.
I don't want to belabor the gun control issue, since I have mixed feelings myself, however, 2 points:
1) I think a lot of it is country vs. city. Out in the country where people hunt and cops are far away, a gun makes more sense. In a big city? Not so much. Plus, handguns are for killing people, not hunting. Big difference
2)Colorado has 2 crazy conflicting laws: A "make my day" law, which allows deadly force protecting the home. Also, "No knock" police searches..... so if a cop busts into your house & you blow him away, is that OK? (I bet not!)
Actually happened a few years back in Denver. Cops bust into the WRONG house trying to make a drug bust. Guy comes out with gun, cops kill him. Of course, they got away with it.
Like JGT says, lets hope the victim recovers & the culprit is caught.
rev

[NeenAtlanta]

I was told this by a NOPD cop at my old house in the Bywater. They have to be half-way in, so drag em if you need to!

A lot also has to do with the balance of force. Females who shoot intruders seem to have an easier time with the legal aftermath because the intruders are assumed to have a more overpowering force.

I have lots of mixed feelings about the gun issue. As someone said before, their are tons of stats used by each side.

Joe and I actually used to shoot handguns competitively for many years. We were part of IHMSA - International Handgun Metallic Sillouhette Association. It was huge fun. They put these iron targets out and when you hit them they go "clang" and fall down. We had a great time with the sport for many years.

The targets are shaped like chickens, pigs, turkeys and rams. They are set up at 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters, which is pretty challenging for a handgun.

Supposedly the sport started in Mexico where live animals were staked out, and whoever hit them got to take home the meat.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o64/NeenAtlanta/silhout2.gif

[Papins]

I was told this by a NOPD cop at my old house in the Bywater. They have to be half-way in, so drag em if you need to!

I've been told that too...that, and above all; make sure he's dead so there's only one tale to tell.

[marignygreg]

I wonder what kind of trouble would have sprung up if Tommy had a gun when attacked?? Food for thought.

[Blitzzzzz]

The theory here is that in places where conceled carry is permitted (or guns being common among decent citizenry), thugs think twice about starting trouble. I don't know if this is how it actually pans out (Ohio just began permitting for conceled carry). Maybe someone wants to research that....?

"Pancho was a badit, boys. His horse was fast as polished steel.
He wore his gun outside his coat, for all the honest world to feel."
The Ballad of Pancho & Lefty - Townz Van Zandt:cool:

[chicagomike]

Most gun owners are law-abiding, responsible citizens...Not "gun nuts". I am a proponent of sensible gun laws. And although I do not own a handgun, I certainly do not wish to take away that right from said law-abiding, responsible citizens.

[Rossvegas]

I really don't know what to think - I don't generally have to worry about some crack head wandering into my house - but I recall a conversation I had with a VERY elderly woman in New Orleans back in the late 70's. She was explaining to me how she shot this young black guy who was cutting across her front lawn because "you never know what those n*ggers are up to." I suppose the idea of "defending yourself" is relative to your level of paranoia.... :>(

[revjimk]

Good point, RossVegas
rev

[ozzie]

If someone invades my home it is unlikely that they would have a gun, because it is highly unlikely that any homeowners here would have a gun for protection. If it became the norm for homeowners to have guns, then it would follow that all the bad guys would bring guns with 'em. If someone's high and looking for cash or goods to steal to buy more drugs with, I don't want them to get spooked and shoot me over a bloody TV or, if on the street, my wallet. I know the really bad guys can always get a gun, but I don't believe (here) that your run of the mill deadbeat thug or addict would have one and I sincerely hope we don't follow the US's lead and become a society bearing arms. I hate guns.

Hope Tommy's doing well.

[marignygreg]

UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE



Armed Robbery F-23683-08



On Wednesday, June 25 the Eighth District Task Force apprehended both wanted subjects for armed robbery that occurred in the 500 block of Toulouse .



Arrested subjects are:

James Dawson B/M 7-3-85

Tony Graps B/M 6-3-87

[glinda]

UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE

On Wednesday, June 25 the Eighth District Task Force apprehended both wanted subjects for armed robbery that occurred in the 500 block of Toulouse .

Arrested subjects are:

James Dawson B/M 7-3-85

Tony Graps B/M 6-3-87

Great news, thanks for posting greg.

[marignygreg]

...or control your gun ??

Suspect arrested in N.O. killing
He, victim were fixing a Broadmoor house Tuesday, July 01, 2008By Laura Maggi
A New Orleans artist and building contractor was arrested early Monday morning after a man who worked with him was shot to death inside a Broadmoor home.

Peter Richard Rubens, 58, was booked with second-degree murder about 3 a.m., according to Orleans Parish criminal sheriff records. He is accused of shooting Robert Irwin, 47, who had worked with Rubens on a number of construction projects, friends said.

Orleans Parish coroner investigator John Gagliano released Irwin's identity. Homicide Detective Rob Long, the lead investigator in the shooting, concluded it was spurred by an argument between the two men, said officer Shereese Harper, a New Orleans Police Department spokeswoman.


The shooting occurred Sunday around 5 p.m., when Irwin returned to the 5000 block of South Prieur Street after a weekend outside the city, said Ray Manning, a friend of both men. Irwin went to Manning's house, which he had been helping to repair with Rubens.

Irwin was shot multiple times inside the house, police said.

Manning said he had hired Rubens -- a longtime friend -- to work on his flooded house not long after Carnival, when the artist and contractor moved into the second floor with his girlfriend. Rubens had offered to finish up the restoration work, but structural problems were quickly revealed, prolonging his stay, Manning said.

Rubens took on other rebuilding projects in the area and hired Irwin, a more recent friend of Manning's who was living in a mobile home parked on the street in the Broadmoor neighborhood. Irwin had lost everything in his Gentilly home during Hurricane Katrina, Manning said.

Irwin worked as a foreman on Rubens' projects for several months, but had become disenchanted with the older man and planned to quit working for him, according to another contractor working on the street, who declined to provide his name but said he talked to Irwin over the weekend.

Manning said Rubens recently announced that he was going to get a debris-removal contract in flooded areas of Iowa. He was planning to leave New Orleans any day and, in anticipation, was housing a number of laborers in the house when Manning showed up last week.

On Sunday, Manning said he was nearby, helping a neighbor install a phone line. At the time of the shooting, Manning said he was driving down the street near his house when he spotted men running for cars on the street. Most of the men took off, Manning said, while a friend of Irwin's who had dropped him off called 911 on his cell phone.

When EMS paramedics arrived, they found Irwin had already died, police said.

Manning described Irwin as a pleasant man, who was widely liked in the neighborhood.

"It was a horrible tragedy that he got shot and killed," Manning said. "He was salt of the earth."

Rubens painted original works and reproductions of classical paintings, said Manning, who described him as an artist also trained in building restoration. Rubens' Web site describes years of training in Europe before moving to New Orleans.

. . . . . . .

Laura Maggi can be reached at lmaggi@timespicayune.com or 504.826.3316.

[McGregor]

Great news, thanks for posting greg.

Good job by the NOPD as well, I assume. Let's give credit where it's due.

[Belle]

Good job by the NOPD as well, I assume. Let's give credit where it's due.


Now for the court system to do their job...just wondering if they will.

[tangledupinblue]

UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE



Armed Robbery F-23683-08



On Wednesday, June 25 the Eighth District Task Force apprehended both wanted subjects for armed robbery that occurred in the 500 block of Toulouse .



Arrested subjects are:

James Dawson B/M 7-3-85

Tony Graps B/M 6-3-87

YES, Tommy is very relieved..let us pray that they are not let out on bond. SET THOSE BONDS VERY HIGH!!!

[sharon_loves_fats]

UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE---UPDATE

Armed Robbery F-23683-08

On Wednesday, June 25 the Eighth District Task Force apprehended both wanted subjects for armed robbery that occurred in the 500 block of Toulouse .

Arrested subjects are:

James Dawson B/M 7-3-85

Tony Graps B/M 6-3-87

Great news! Thanks for updating us.

[marignygreg]

YES, Tommy is very relieved..let us pray that they are not let out on bond. SET THOSE BONDS VERY HIGH!!!

Did you say "Bonds" ....

$1 million bond set for David Bonds
by Gwen Filosa, The Times-Picayune Tuesday July 01, 2008, 8:07 AM
An Orleans Parish judge has set a $1 million bond to keep David Bonds in jail awaiting trial on attempted murder, two months after a jury acquitted the 19-year-old of murdering musician Dinerral Shavers.


Times-Picayune file photo
David Bonds returned to jail May 20

Judge Julian Parker last week raised the magistrate court's original $750,000 bond to a cool million - which in Orleans is an enormous sum for a defendant facing a charge not involving a homicide. Bonds remained in jail as of Tuesday morning, according to the sheriff's online inmate database.

At the arraignment June 25, Bonds entered a plea of innocence to the charge of attempted murder for a shooting that took place 24 days after an Orleans Parish jury freed Bonds from four indictments related to deadly gunplay that ended Shavers' life.

Bonds is again on his way to trial at Orleans Parish Criminal District Court, accused of shooting a 25-year-old man in the 700 block of Canal Street on May 4.

Police said Bonds got into an argument with another man at around 5 a.m. at the corner of Canal Street and St. Charles Avenue and that Bonds shot the man in the torso.

Bonds was acquitted April 10 of murdering Shavers, the Hot 8 Brass Band drummer and high school band teacher, after an emotional trial during which prosecutors were forced to rely on eyewitness testimony from three teenage girls.

Bonds turned 19 years old three days after the Canal Street shooting. He was back in police custody May 16 after police located him in Thibodaux.

Parker noted the objection to the $1 million bond by public defender William Boggs, who successfully defended Bonds, an admitted drug dealer who was in the foster care system after Hurricane Katrina.

Assistant District Attorney Caren Cambre is again prosecuting Bonds, as she did in the Shavers' murder case.

Bonds is due back in court later this month for a standard pre-trial hearing. No trial date has been set.

[jerseygirl67]

Did you say "Bonds" ....

$1 million bond set for David Bonds
by Gwen Filosa, The Times-Picayune Tuesday July 01, 2008, 8:07 AM
An Orleans Parish judge has set a $1 million bond to keep David Bonds in jail awaiting trial on attempted murder, two months after a jury acquitted the 19-year-old of murdering musician Dinerral Shavers.


Times-Picayune file photo
David Bonds returned to jail May 20

Judge Julian Parker last week raised the magistrate court's original $750,000 bond to a cool million - which in Orleans is an enormous sum for a defendant facing a charge not involving a homicide. Bonds remained in jail as of Tuesday morning, according to the sheriff's online inmate database.

At the arraignment June 25, Bonds entered a plea of innocence to the charge of attempted murder for a shooting that took place 24 days after an Orleans Parish jury freed Bonds from four indictments related to deadly gunplay that ended Shavers' life.

Bonds is again on his way to trial at Orleans Parish Criminal District Court, accused of shooting a 25-year-old man in the 700 block of Canal Street on May 4.

Police said Bonds got into an argument with another man at around 5 a.m. at the corner of Canal Street and St. Charles Avenue and that Bonds shot the man in the torso.

Bonds was acquitted April 10 of murdering Shavers, the Hot 8 Brass Band drummer and high school band teacher, after an emotional trial during which prosecutors were forced to rely on eyewitness testimony from three teenage girls.

Bonds turned 19 years old three days after the Canal Street shooting. He was back in police custody May 16 after police located him in Thibodaux.

Parker noted the objection to the $1 million bond by public defender William Boggs, who successfully defended Bonds, an admitted drug dealer who was in the foster care system after Hurricane Katrina.

Assistant District Attorney Caren Cambre is again prosecuting Bonds, as she did in the Shavers' murder case.

Bonds is due back in court later this month for a standard pre-trial hearing. No trial date has been set.


Wow, he is only 19 now? And he's done all that? Sad, very very sad.

[Papins]

Wow, he is only 19 now? And he's done all that? Sad, very very sad.
But, I'm sure his attorney will find some way to blame society and that his client is the real victim here.

[chicagomike]

But, I'm sure his attorney will find some way to blame society and that his client is the real victim here.
Exactly. I am sure the two mutts who attacked Tangies friend have never been involved in the criminal justice system before this. :rolleyes:

[Belle]

But, I'm sure his attorney will find some way to blame society and that his client is the real victim here.

Makes ya wanna puke!

[tangledupinblue]

Arrests in brutal hold-up: 8th District Taskforce officers last Wednesday (6.25.08) apprehended a pair of punks wanted as suspects in the armed robbery of a 58-year-old man in the 500 block of Toulouse on 6.19.08. Arrested were James Dawson, 22, (left) and Tony Graps, 21, (right) Each was charged with armed robbery with a firearm and each has a $100,000 bond keeping them in OPP.


That isn't too high of a bond! What the heck. This is BS!

Another THUG got only a 25,000 bond for stabbing and beating up a kid (tourist) on Bourbon the other night. WHY are these bonds so low?

[Rossvegas]

Forgive my stupidity, but does a $100,000 bond mean that he has to come up with $100K to get out of jail? I don't know anything about bonds...

[Belle]

Forgive my stupidity, but does a $100,000 bond mean that he has to come up with $100K to get out of jail? I don't know anything about bonds...

Making bond requires 10% of the bond amount around these parts.

[Rossvegas]

Making bond requires 10% of the bond amount around these parts.

Well, you would have to sell a lot of crack or jack up a lot of tourists to come up with that kind of money, no? I figure if the guy had $10K lying around, he probably would have "invested" it in a pharmaceutical deal!

[tangledupinblue]

Well, you would have to sell a lot of crack or jack up a lot of tourists to come up with that kind of money, no? I figure if the guy had $10K lying around, he probably would have "invested" it in a pharmaceutical deal!

YEA but look what the idiot that only got 25,000 has to come up with to get his stupid arse out...$2500 is very easy for kids who rob and murder for a living!

He will be back stealing and hurting good people in NO TIME!

But I am refusing to let this get m crazy....Gotta be a happy person...heck with it! God will get them!

[chicagomike]

Did you know that when you are in custody they do not take your money from you at the OPP ? Jewelry either.

[Cleophus]

He will be back stealing and hurting good people in NO TIME!

Easy now!! I know you're emotional about your friend being attacked (and many of us are right there with you!), but remember that this guy has been arrested and charged with a crime but NOT CONVICTED YET.

[ibjamn]

Did you know that when you are in custody they do not take your money from you at the OPP ? Jewelry either.

Since when? They took mine, tongue ring too!

[tabasco]

Since when? They took mine, tongue ring too!

What about nipple rings? Sorry IBJ... ;) :) Didn't know you were a jail bird.:eek:

[chicagomike]

A friend of mine got arrested for smoking a joint outside the HOB during Pondersoa Stomp. Didnt take his money or jewelry. He thought that was odd. He spent 17 hours in there until he could get his bond set.

[marignygreg]

A friend of mine got arrested for smoking a joint outside the HOB during Pondersoa Stomp. Didnt take his money or jewelry. He thought that was odd. He spent 17 hours in there until he could get his bond set.

A "friend", huh ?? C'mon Mike, fess up.

[chicagomike]

Oh if I spent 17 hours in jail on my vacation I certainly would be ranting and raving. The story proves to be a cautionary tale. The fRench Quarter is a "targeted area" for enforcement (excpet for muggings I suppose). I felt bad for my friend but he had a hell of a story.

[tangledupinblue]

Easy now!! I know you're emotional about your friend being attacked (and many of us are right there with you!), but remember that this guy has been arrested and charged with a crime but NOT CONVICTED YET.

Are you kidding me with this post?
AND this is NOT just me being upset about my friend being attacked, it is about the 100's of innocent others who are being mugged and beaten....
Seeing and hearing about it everyday....
And before you respond....YES I do know that this happens in many cities, the only difference is that they are not being punished enough in Nola!

[marignygreg]

In N'awlins, street justice seems to be the most effective form of ridding the city of this scum. More murderers have been taken off the streets by angry friends and siblings, then the D.A. could ever hope for. Just stay out of the crossfire !!

[Cleophus]

Are you kidding me with this post?

Not at all. I happen to be a big fan of due process, civil liberties, the Bill of Rights, and all that.

The inference that arrest = guilt is loathsome to me.

If the dude/dudes are guilty, I hope they are convicted and justly punished! But to set high bonds -- across the board -- for people arrested for certain crimes means that those people who were mistakenly arrested (ie, who won't "be back stealing and hurting good people in NO TIME!") get screwed too.

Anyway, this is probably not the thread or forum for a discourse on civil liberties, the US justice system, etc. Again, I offer my best wishes that Tommy gets fully well and the creeps who mugged him get their just desserts.

[Papins]

Not at all. I happen to be a big fan of due process, civil liberties, the Bill of Rights, and all that.

The inference that arrest = guilt is loathsome to me.

If the dude/dudes are guilty, I hope they are convicted and justly punished! But to set high bonds -- across the board -- for people arrested for certain crimes means that those people who were mistakenly arrested (ie, who won't "be back stealing and hurting good people in NO TIME!") get screwed too.

Anyway, this is probably not the thread or forum for a discourse on civil liberties, the US justice system, etc. Again, I offer my best wishes that Tommy gets fully well and the creeps who mugged him get their just desserts.

Sorry, but street justice works best. The law is a game. If it weren't, there'd be no rules of discovery. A law abiding citizen taking a Louisville slugger and breaking a few bones on a scrote sends a better message that crime won't be tolerated.

[swag]

Sorry, but street justice works best. The law is a game. If it weren't, there'd be no rules of discovery. A law abiding citizen taking a Louisville slugger and breaking a few bones on a scrote sends a better message that crime won't be tolerated.

I think when you start breaking bones with a baseball bat, you pretty much cease to be a law abiding citizen. Yes, the message may come across more, um, forcefully, but you better be damn sure you are assaulting the right guy.

[Michelino]

Sorry, but street justice works best. The law is a game. If it weren't, there'd be no rules of discovery. A law abiding citizen taking a Louisville slugger and breaking a few bones on a scrote sends a better message that crime won't be tolerated.

And, sorry, I am with the forefathers on this one. They believed that the accused had the right to understand the charges against them, the right to an adequate defense before a jury of their peers...along the presumption of innocence...until that jury has decided the question of guilt. Hundreds of thousands of my countrymen have died protecting those rights over the last 200 years, and I am not willing to cede them to any group of vigilantes, no matter how righteous they believe themselves to be.

So, actually, not sorry at all. Because justice is deserved by both the accused and the victim, but without a fair trial, neither are served their due.

Finally the "law abiding" part of that last sentence is quite a telling non-sequitur.

[Michelino]

Not at all. I happen to be a big fan of due process, civil liberties, the Bill of Rights, and all that.

The inference that arrest = guilt is loathsome to me.

If the dude/dudes are guilty, I hope they are convicted and justly punished! But to set high bonds -- across the board -- for people arrested for certain crimes means that those people who were mistakenly arrested (ie, who won't "be back stealing and hurting good people in NO TIME!") get screwed too.

Anyway, this is probably not the thread or forum for a discourse on civil liberties, the US justice system, etc. Again, I offer my best wishes that Tommy gets fully well and the creeps who mugged him get their just desserts.

Bond is chosen based on the crime and should be balanced against the possible risk to the community...I think that crimes with this level of sociopathic behavior, like repeatedly kicking the victim on the ground, should get a severe penalty on top of that for the robbery. And the level of bond should bump up accordingly. This type of assault should be tried at the level of a hate crime, as far as I'm concerned..

[marignygreg]

I do not think we are talking about a law abiding citizen taking justice into their own hands. We are talking about career criminals taking each other off the streets.
The D.A. in New Orleans is broken. A good example would be this Bonds guy who was 'accused' of killing Hot 8 Snare Drummer, Dinneral Shavers. The eye witness was being threatened and intimidated IN THE COURTROOM, while on the stand in full view of the judge and jury( made a gun sign with his hand and pointed at witness repeatedly ). The key witness got scared and refused to I.D. him. He was set free. One month later Bonds shoots someone on Canal and Royal. This guy has a criminal record a mile long and will kill/rob/rape again and again until taken off the streets. I guess we can hold our breath and wait for the D.A. to do its job, meanwhile the victims pile up.

[Papins]

And, sorry, I am with the forefathers on this one. They believed that the accused had the right to understand the charges against them, the right to an adequate defense before a jury of their peers...along the presumption of innocence...until that jury has decided the question of guilt. Hundreds of thousands of my countrymen have died protecting those rights over the last 200 years, and I am not willing to cede them to any group of vigilantes, no matter how righteous they believe themselves to be.

So, actually, not sorry at all. Because justice is deserved by both the accused and the victim, but without a fair trial, neither are served their due.

Finally the "law abiding" part of that last sentence is quite a telling non-sequitur.
Oh well. Going back a few years, I'm guessing that woman I saw being dragged into a doorway didn't mind that I had an aluminum in my car and opted to use it instead of calling the police. Course her attacker might have told you different. No doubt it was some time before he could eat solid food, have use of his left arm or walk.

[sophisticated sissy]

Damn ... that papins is one badass dude. Don't mess with him.

Unless you enjoy a steady diet of Jell-O and puddin'. :D

[rosetree]

Damn ... that papins is one badass dude. Don't mess with him.

Unless you enjoy a steady diet of Jell-O and puddin'. :D

If it's Jell-O shots and Puddin' shots, some people on this bored can do it!

[sophisticated sissy]

E-ffective for pain relief, too! Or, so I understand. :D

[Papins]

Damn ... that papins is one badass dude. Don't mess with him.

Unless you enjoy a steady diet of Jell-O and puddin'. :D
:rolleyes: Cut me a break huh? I'm far from being a "badass". Who here wouldn't have done the same thing?

[sophisticated sissy]

Sorry, but I charge 50 bucks for cutting a break. :)

[Blitzzzzz]

Oh well. Going back a few years, I'm guessing that woman I saw being dragged into a doorway didn't mind that I had an aluminum in my car and opted to use it instead of calling the police. Course her attacker might have told you different. No doubt it was some time before he could eat solid food, have use of his left arm or walk.

I think defending someone who is being attacked is righteous and not what concerns most of the posters. You were clearly able to discern the guilty party and render the assistance called for by the innocent. I would have been grateful, too.
Still, given the poor record of the NOPD and DA, prohibitive bonds or remands aren't the same thing given their inability to identify the bad guys.:cool:

[Rossvegas]

:rolleyes: Cut me a break huh? I'm far from being a "badass". Who here wouldn't have done the same thing?

So Paps, if I was to get myself one of these defender sticks, do you recommend the aluminum or the wooden model? I figure that the wood one would pack a bigger whollop, but what if it breaks? Perhaps I should follow the lead of Ian Faith (the manager in Spinal Tap) and get myself a nice cricket bat? Hmmmm.....

"Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful. "

[Gards]

So Paps, if I was to get myself one of these defender sticks, do you recommend the aluminum or the wooden model? I figure that the wood one would pack a bigger whollop, but what if it breaks? Perhaps I should follow the lead of Ian Faith (the manager in Spinal Tap) and get myself a nice cricket bat? Hmmmm.....

"Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful. "

I think Nigel Tufnell may agree allthough they may want it one inch longer

Gards

[Frosty]

So Paps, if I was to get myself one of these defender sticks, do you recommend the aluminum or the wooden model? I figure that the wood one would pack a bigger whollop, but what if it breaks? Perhaps I should follow the lead of Ian Faith (the manager in Spinal Tap) and get myself a nice cricket bat? Hmmmm.....

"Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful. "

Aluminum packs a much bigger whollop. They are frightening in the way they shatter through bone. A coach for UIC got his jaw shattered by one when he got too close to a guy taking practice swings. The aluminum bat has so much force, half his face was gone and he didn't even realize it. A wooden bat will provide a much more blunt injury. However, if the wooden bat breaks, you now have a better weapon, a bayonette.

[revjimk]

Due process is absolutely necessary. So is the right to self defence
rev

[sophisticated sissy]

A grand jury might have a different view.

Some guy attacked my youngest brother, who was standing on his own front porch. My brother was indicted for felonious assault.

A friend of mine was once attacked by 3 guys who had a baseball bat. My buddy's skull was fractured 13 times in the attack, but he managed to fight them off somehow, get control of the bat, and beat the three of them to a pulp. He, too, was indicted for felonious assault. 3 counts.

[Crawfish Fest]

http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=638&category=Revolver

The Judge shoots 410 shotgun shells AND 45 callibur bullits.

[Corona]

What about nipple rings? Sorry IBJ... ;) :) Didn't know you were a jail bird.:eek:
we keep telling her she needs to write her memoirs...love her stories :)

[linza22]

Did you know that when you are in custody they do not take your money from you at the OPP ? Jewelry either.

which jail? they took my shoes, books and jewelry.

[tabasco]

which jail? they took my shoes, books and jewelry.
You too Linza!!! :eek: Man... I gotta stop hanging out with you girls! Bad Influences!;)

[chicagomike]

It was the OPP. Guys were buying Burger King off the staff. This guy wouldnt make up that kind of story.

[Delta]

Whatever jail they haul you off to when you get arrested in Jackson Square apparently doesn't take your cell phone away either. Nor did they seem to care that my son spent 15 minutes on it chatting with me, including turning around twice to ask the jailer something.