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jonnygospeltent
12-13-2007, 01:54 PM
I always assumed more pitchers were on the juice than batters were.I guess the Mitchell report proves it.

Belle
12-13-2007, 02:00 PM
My hubby was and is so hard on Bonds....guess that net should be casted wider now.

This is really distressing. Cheating is all it is plain and simple.

djgriff
12-13-2007, 02:01 PM
Here is a link to the report. Hope it works. It is pdf and takes a while to load.

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/7559804_37_1.pdf

mwgirlonherown
12-13-2007, 02:29 PM
Here is a link to the report. Hope it works. It is pdf and takes a while to load.

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/7559804_37_1.pdf

409 pages! Thank you.

and I thought all I had to look forward to this winter was hot stove league!

McGregor
12-13-2007, 02:36 PM
here's a nice summary

Pages 167-175 in the report above are about Clemens, wow, just wow!
Mitchell report: Baseball slow to react to players' steroid use


NEW YORK -- George Mitchell's 20-month report into steroid use in professional baseball blamed both players and management for the problem.

Mitchell addressed the media and released his report Thursday. Among the former senator's conclusions he gave in what he termed a "detailed statement":


• "For more than a decade there has been widespread anabolic steroid use" in baseball, he said.

• "Everyone involved in baseball over the past two decades -- commissioners, club officials, the players' association and players - shares to some extent the responsibility for the steroids era,'' Mitchell said. "There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged and to deal with it early on."

• Mitchell and his staff interviewed former New York Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski four times. Radomski identified a number of former and current MLB players he said he sold steroid and human growth hormone to. Checks and money orders, mailing receipts or shipments, and statements of other witnesses were used to back up Radomski's allegations. Much of this was found in Radomski's seized telephone records.

• Brian McNamee, a former New York Yankees trainer who worked with pitchers Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte, was interviewed three times by Mitchell, with a personal lawyer and federal law enforcement officials in the room.

• Clemens was singled out in eight pages, with much of the information on the seven-time Cy Young Award winner coming from McNamee.

On page 169 of the report, it says: "According to McNamee, from the time that McNamee injected Clemens with Winstrol through the end of the 1998 season, Clemens' performance showed remarkable improvement,'' the report said. "During this period of improved performance, Clemens told McNamee that the steroids 'had a pretty good effect' on him.''

McNamee also told investigators that "during the middle of the 2000 season, Clemens made it clear that he was ready to use steroids again. During the latter part of the regular season, McNamee injected Clemens in the buttocks four to six times with testosterone from a bottle labeled either Sustanon 250 or Deca-Durabolin."

• The report says Pettitte, from April 21 to June 14, 2002 when he was on the disabled list with elbow tendonitis, he "wanted to speed his recovery and help his team." The report says "McNamee traveled to Tampa at Pettitte's request and spent about 10 days assisting Pettitte with his rehabilitation. McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. Pettitte paid McNamee for the trip and his expenses; there was no separate payment for the human growth hormone."

It continued: "According to McNamee, around the time in 2003 that the BALCO searches became public, Pettitte asked what he should say if a reporter asked Pettitte whether he ever used performance enhancing substances. McNamee told him he was free to say what he wanted, but that he should not go out of his way to bring it up. McNamee also asked Pettitte not to mention his name. McNamee never discussed these substances with Pettitte again.

"After the 2001 season, Pettitte, like Clemens, continued to use McNamee's services and to serve as a source of income after McNamee was dismissed by the Yankees. In a 2006 article, Pettitte 'acknowledged an ongoing relationship' with McNamee. Pettitte was quoted as having said that he still talked to McNamee about once a week. ' "



"After we read the report, we will have something to say," said Randy Hendricks, the agent for Clemens and Pettitte.


• Several former MLB players and strength and conditioning coaches were also interviewed.

• Each player named was invited to meet with Mitchell if their name came up in his investigation. Mitchell said almost all current players refused to meet with him.

• Response to the problem from both baseball and its players was slow to develop and was initially ineffective.

• There is evidence the problem wasn't isolated to one club. Many players were involved. Each club has had a player involved.

• Mitchell's investigation found that some players were given a heads-up to drug tests.

•In his report, Mitchell wrote he was against commissioner Bud Selig disciplining players -- those named in the report or not -- for past violations of baseball's rules against using performance-enhancing substances "except in those cases where he determines that the conduct is so serious that discipline is necessary to maintain the integrity of the game. I make this recommendation fully aware that there are valid arguments both for and against it."



George Mitchell bio

• Age: 74
• Former US Senator (D-Maine), May 1980-Jan. 1995
• Chairman, Walt Disney Company, March 2004-Dec. 2006
• Currently Chairman of the Global Board, DLA Piper (law firm)
• Chaired negotiations for Belfast Peace Agreement in Northern Ireland (1998)
• Director, Boston Red Sox
• Head of investigation into past steroid use by MLB players

• Mitchell's conclusions:


There has been a great deal of speculation about this report. Much of it has focused on players' names, how many and which ones. After considering that issue very carefully I concluded that it is appropriate and necessary to include them in this report. Otherwise I would not have done what I was asked to do: to try to find out what happened and to report what I learned accurately, fairly, and thoroughly. While the interest in names is understandable, I hope the media and the public will keep that part of the report in context and will look beyond the individuals to the central conclusions and recommendations of this report. In closing, I want to emphasize them:

• 1. The use of steroids in Major League Baseball was widespread. The response by baseball was slow to develop and was initially ineffective. For many years, citing concerns for the privacy rights of the players, the Players Association opposed mandatory random drug testing of its members for steroids and other substances. But in 2002, the effort gained momentum after the clubs and the Players Association agreed to and adopted a mandatory random drug testing program. The current program has been effective in that detectable steroid use appears to have declined. However, that does not mean that players have stopped using performance enhancing substances. Many players have shifted to human growth hormone, which is not detectable in any currently available urine test.



• 2. The minority of players who used such substances were wrong. They violated federal law and baseball policy, and they distorted the fairness of competition by trying to gain an unfair advantage over the majority of players who followed the law and the rules. They the players who follow the law and the rules are faced with the painful choice of either being placed at a competitive disadvantage or becoming illegal users themselves. No one should have to make that choice.


• 3. Obviously, the players who illegally used performance enhancing substances are responsible for their actions. But they did not act in a vacuum. Everyone involved in baseball over the past two decades Commissioners, club officials, the Players Association, and players shares to some extent in the responsibility for the steroids era. There was a collective failure to recognize the problem as it emerged and to deal with it early on. As a result, an environment developed in which illegal use became widespread.


• 4. Knowledge and understanding of the past are essential if the problem is to be dealt with effectively in the future. But being chained to the past is not helpful. Baseball does not need and cannot afford to engage in a never-ending search for the name of every player who ever used performance enhancing substances. The Commissioner was right to ask for this investigation and report. It would have been impossible to get closure on this issue without it, or something like it.


• 5. But it is now time to look to the future, to get on with the important and difficult task that lies ahead. Everyone involved in Major League Baseball should join in a wellplanned, well-executed, and sustained effort to bring the era of steroids and human growth hormone to an end and to prevent its recurrence in some other form in the future. That is the only way this cloud will be removed from the game. The adoption of the recommendations set forth in this report will be a first step in that direction.



Also:

• On page 121 of the report, under a heading "players requested to be interviewed," Jason Giambi is the only player in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative probe who participated in Mitchell's investigation. This portion of the report read:

"Concerning BALCO and Major League Baseball I requested interviews of all the major league players who had been publicly implicated in the BALCO case: Marvin Benard; Barry Bonds; Bobby Estalella; Jason Giambi; Jeremy Giambi; Armando Rios; Benito Santiago; Gary Sheffield; and Randy Velarde. Jason Giambi agreed to be interviewed, and Randy Velarde provided information through his attorney. All the other players implicated in the BALCO case refused my requests to be interviewed or did not respond to them. Gary Sheffield initially declined my request for an interview. Sheffield later said that he would agree to an interview, subject to the availability of his lawyer who was undergoing medical treatments."

Clemens, Miguel Tejada and Pettitte were named in the report, an All-Star roster linked to steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs that put a question mark -- if not an asterisk -- next to some of baseball's biggest moments.


Eric Gagne, Troy Glaus, Gary Matthews Jr., Brian Roberts, Paul Lo Duca, Rick Ankiel and Jay Gibbons were among other current players named in the report. Some were linked to Human Growth Hormone, others to steroids. Also mentioned in the report is Miguel Tejada, who was dealt from Baltimore to Houston Wednesday.

"We identify some of the players who were caught up in this drive to gain a competitive advantage,'' the report said. "Other investigations will no doubt turn up more names and fill in more details, but that is unlikely to significantly alter the description of baseball's 'steroids era' as set forth in this report.''

Mitchell released his report at a news conference in New York City. Selig will hold his own news conference at 4:30 p.m. ET.


Barry Bonds, already under indictment on charges of lying to a federal grand jury about steroids, also showed up in baseball's most infamous lineup since the Black Sox scandal.


It was uncertain whether the report would result in any penalties or suspensions.

Several stars named in the report could pay the price in Cooperstown, much the way Mark McGwire was kept out of the Hall of Fame this year merely because of steroids suspicion.

"Former commissioner Fay Vincent told me that the problem of performance-enhancing substances may be the most serious challenge that baseball has faced since the 1919 Black Sox scandal,'' Mitchell said in the 409-page report.

"The illegal use of anabolic steroids and similar substances, in Vincent's view, is 'cheating of the worst sort.' He believes that it is imperative for Major League Baseball to 'capture the moral high ground' on the issue and, by words and deeds, make it clear that baseball will not tolerate the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs."


Information from The Associated Press is included in this report.

BigDag
12-14-2007, 12:03 PM
I thought this was a little crude...

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u292/BigDag56/6520c0130e76b878231b774d58fc1671_cl.jpg

But then again, the evidence was pretty damning..

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u292/BigDag56/7998a572a9644dea5c6dad3d6a6670ef_ro.jpg

mwgirlonherown
12-14-2007, 12:43 PM
I always assumed more pitchers were on the juice than batters were.I guess the Mitchell report proves it.

The Mitchell Report has given new meaning to "pitchers and catchers!"

'Roids didn't help Todd Pratt much!

Chas_P
12-14-2007, 01:04 PM
The Mitchell Report has given new meaning to "pitchers and catchers!"

'Roids didn't help Todd Pratt much!

I'm not sure about that. It may have been just enough help to keep in the game and employed.

mwgirlonherown
12-14-2007, 01:27 PM
I'm not sure about that. It may have been just enough help to keep in the game and employed.

Yeah, I'm afraid you are correct. It's also unfortunate that players like him also kept another player from making the roster and possibly "the show."

My favorite Todd Pratt story...listening to Ron Santo and Pat Hughes on WGN radio one afternoon. Pat says "Todd Pratt is on deck to pitch hit..." Ron blurts out, "Oh, no Todd Pratt!" God bless Ronnie!

Belle
12-14-2007, 01:50 PM
The Mitchell Report has given new meaning to "pitchers and catchers!"

'Roids didn't help Todd Pratt much!

God that is too funny. thinking the same thing here. You would like to think if you took those risks you would show something for it.

What I don't like is the tone of the report. Talking in past tense most of the time and those who use are still doing it. See it here on the high school level too, while my boy just works his ass off to improve.

One more point is the players have been able to stay ahead of the testing especially with Human Growth Hormones. Again cheaters all.

tabasco
12-14-2007, 03:19 PM
I thought this was a little crude...

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u292/BigDag56/6520c0130e76b878231b774d58fc1671_cl.jpg



ROFLMAO!

Mr. soul
12-14-2007, 03:45 PM
Nobody in sports wants to really take on performance-enhancing drugs, certainly not the player’s unions.

What’s really sad is many high-school associations aren’t willing to discuss either, unfortunately some kids are juicing out of peer-pressure just trying to make a team.

ohio
12-14-2007, 03:48 PM
Let Pete Rose into the HOF

rosetree
12-14-2007, 03:59 PM
Let Pete Rose into the HOF

....and Shoeless Joe Jackson too!!!
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