Safety in N.O.

[Corona]

This thread is for Socaleric who is making his first fest a solo trip.....I thought it deserved it's own thread.....here's his quote.

Buddy told me tonight that NO is the homicide capital of the US?!?! He readily suggested that I do not go solo on this trip.

I mean, I have common sense and all, but do you guys have any safety tips for solo travelers? I don't mind cuts and bruises from JF, but not from being mugged!

One of the most important things I can advise is to stay on populated streets and take cabs when ya can after dark.....are you staying in the quarter Eric?

[linza22]

there are so many of us down there, just use the buddy system. hook up with other threadheads!

[mariena]

Of course, everyone has to make their own decisions, but I have been to NO so many times, I just don't see it that way. Of course, use common sense and stay in the better areas. You should be fine.

[Belle]

Been to NOLa 4 times since "******" the last trip was Thanksgiving with the whole family. Everything is fine if you use common sense and stay were people are.

But coming solo should not be a problem cause you are never really alone during big events in the most wonderful town in the world.

Where are you staying? Do you plan to come to the Meet and Greets? Heck you can hook up with other solos just put a shout out. But again you will make friends anyway, another words you wont be alone for long!!!

[ETinCali]

I went solo in September to the SUperdome opening.....was on the field for the opening show for U2/Green Day..anyway, I think if you don't get wasted and stumble around like a lost tourist you will be fine. Esp during this time of year when there are plenty of people in town, I understand it could be a little dicey if it's off-season...but be smart and be safe!

[Belle]

I remember years ago huby and me thought we would walk from the West Village in NYC to shop in Soho to dinner in Chinatown. Well we did good going down but coming home at 3 AM ended up at Five Points in the Bowery. Not good! Finally we got a cab and got the heck out of there.

You just need to be sure where you are walking!!

[KYfunkfan]

hey now socal...

i always come down solo for fest...i'm not sure i would feel as comfortable going solo if i were female...that's not meant to be sexist..

i have heard from city folks that the french quarter is very safe, it's the outlying areas that are a problem...

here are some practical tips that build on what folks have already said:
-don't get paranoid, but when walking the city late at night walk in the quarter where there are a lot of people...if you are say venturing from canal street to the howlin' wolf (a decent trek by foot, especially if safety is a concern) know where you are going before you leave...you do not want to get lost, therefore plan your walking excursions wisely..

-keep your eyes peeled when walking....i have no problem crossing the street if i see some folks up ahead that i'm not sure about...

-keep money in your shoe....i traveled in mexico city for a while and after i was pickpocketed i was glad i took the advice of keeping money elsewhere...i don't say that to scare anyone, but just an added precaution (come to think of it i don't do that during fest time, but at least keep money/id/credit card in my front pocket)

-whether day or not do not go on walking tours of residential areas....

-i some times get the heebie jeebies when taking public transit...you may want to stick to the street cars or taxis....

-identify the most populated streets in and around the quarter and stick to those.....when you turn down a street, if it's dark and suspicious then don't go down that street..i'm very familiar with the quarter and i still practice this

-down get stinking drunk or wasted of another sort....not wise, period..

-hook up with threadheads if you feel the need...

-remember, going solo is pretty special..you have legitimate concerns about safety, but new orleans has been crime/violence ridden for quite some time (pre-Katrina)..it's not anarchy down there...you will feel much much better about things if you plan accordingly.....

-when you travel take a taxi....they know where they are going and get you there quick, although they can be expensive...if you got the funds then let them help you be safe...it will take those worries away.....

enjoy...being safe will make it easier to enjoy....and don't worry at all about the fest at the fairgrounds....never have heard nor seen problems there..

[monkeywoman]

I don't know how many of you threadheads are locals, but the reality is that things aren't good down here right now. The crowds for JF will do alot to keep the bad guys laying low, but they are opportunistic, so just don't give them the opportunity. What I mean is NEVER wander around alone (even during the day), unless it's on a well-populated street. Don't take the scenic tour home from the fest if you're walking----stay with the crowds. Ask a group if you can hang with them---------I can't imagine you'd get anything other than a widespread welcome. If you want to just wander the city a bit, there has been very little crime on Magazine St. and it is as fun and eclectic as it gets and very busy with activity.
And never be shy about asking to join in ---------- the bigger the party the better! Have fun!!!

[Mardigrasbaby35]

as a local/native, a couple of things that i recommend when coming down to Nola...

(1) unless its Mardi Gras season or St. Patricks day, don't wear beads - it marks you as a tourist

(2) if i going to the quarter i generally don't wear a lot of jewelry, especially nothing flashy

(3) at night, don't go walking too far down canel street (i.e. going AWAY from the River) - even around the Ritz area and where the Saenger and St. Palace are, that's a VERY dicey area, especially at night

(4) someone mentioned taking cabs, i agree, and if possible, take a UNITED CAB - the majority of United Cab drivers are locals, they know there way around the city and if you strike up a conversation with them they usually are pretty nice and entertaining (they have great NOLa stories)

(5) if you want to take a cemetary tour, don't go it alone, go with an actual tour groups, some of our most gorgeous/historical cemetaries are next to some rough neighborhoods, stick with the tour group

(6) if you like to jog, ask the conceirge at your hotel for suggested running routes (running down the neutral ground on St. Charles is a great bet) - new orleans has kinda crazy neighborhoods, if you don't know where you are running you can take one wrong turn and end up some where you really don't want to be.

(7) FINALLY - listen to your instincts, if you feel like something is wrong, it probably is......

I've lived hear all of my life and haven't had any problems, you just need to stay smart and safe - oh, and yes, i agree with all the other who have already said this, don't get falling down drunk and wander around the quarter by yourself, that's just ASKING for trouble...

[luvdancin]

These are all good points. You just have to be "city-smart".

[Corona]

These are all good points. You just have to be "city-smart".
exactly luv..."city" smart....use the same sense you would use in Detroit, NYC, Chicago, St. Louis etc.....it's not just N.O.

[Stella Blue]

You know, I was starting to feel better and safer about all this until I read the advice "I think if you don't get wasted and stumble around like a lost tourist you will be fine."
I'm screwed.
I hereby leave all my wordly possessions to the good people of this forum:)

[Mardigrasbaby35]

You know, I was starting to feel better and safer about all this until I read the advice "I think if you don't get wasted and stumble around like a lost tourist you will be fine."
I'm screwed.
I hereby leave all my wordly possessions to the good people of this forum:)

SB - all is not lost, don't give us everything yet - its not that you CAN't get drunk and stumble around, just don't do it ALONE - instead, stick with a big group of threadheads (now, don't ALL of you get drunk at onece) and they'll take care of you........:D

[steffie]

You know, I was starting to feel better and safer about all this until I read the advice "I think if you don't get wasted and stumble around like a lost tourist you will be fine."
I'm screwed.
I hereby leave all my wordly possessions to the good people of this forum:)

ROFLMAO...... I'm right with you on that one:D

[Carolina Beadhead]

SB - all is not lost, don't give us everything yet - its not that you CAN't get drunk and stumble around, just don't do it ALONE - instead, stick with a big group of threadheads (now, don't ALL of you get drunk at onece) and they'll take care of you........:D

Just ask Ozzie....

:D

[rosetree]

SB - all is not lost, don't give us everything yet - its not that you CAN't get drunk and stumble around, just don't do it ALONE - instead, stick with a big group of threadheads (now, don't ALL of you get drunk at onece) and they'll take care of you........:D
Designated drinkers need designated drivers!!!!! If you are with a group, make sure that someone is sober and has their wits about them.

I echo everything that has been said already. Bottom line= don't be stupid!

[pokerchick66]

as a local/native, a couple of things that i recommend when coming down to Nola...

(1) unless its Mardi Gras season or St. Patricks day, don't wear beads - it marks you as a tourist

(2) if i going to the quarter i generally don't wear a lot of jewelry, especially nothing flashy

(3) at night, don't go walking too far down canel street (i.e. going AWAY from the River) - even around the Ritz area and where the Saenger and St. Palace are, that's a VERY dicey area, especially at night

(4) someone mentioned taking cabs, i agree, and if possible, take a UNITED CAB - the majority of United Cab drivers are locals, they know there way around the city and if you strike up a conversation with them they usually are pretty nice and entertaining (they have great NOLa stories)

(5) if you want to take a cemetary tour, don't go it alone, go with an actual tour groups, some of our most gorgeous/historical cemetaries are next to some rough neighborhoods, stick with the tour group

(6) if you like to jog, ask the conceirge at your hotel for suggested running routes (running down the neutral ground on St. Charles is a great bet) - new orleans has kinda crazy neighborhoods, if you don't know where you are running you can take one wrong turn and end up some where you really don't want to be.

(7) FINALLY - listen to your instincts, if you feel like something is wrong, it probably is......

I've lived hear all of my life and haven't had any problems, you just need to stay smart and safe - oh, and yes, i agree with all the other who have already said this, don't get falling down drunk and wander around the quarter by yourself, that's just ASKING for trouble...

Good tips, MGB. I like the one about United Cabs. Keep it local, baby!

[Corona]

SB - all is not lost, don't give us everything yet - its not that you CAN't get drunk and stumble around, just don't do it ALONE - instead, stick with a big group of threadheads (now, don't ALL of you get drunk at onece) and they'll take care of you........:D
we usually have a slurge monitor with us and that seems to keep us safe...right Swampie? ;)

[stlbarb]

there are so many of us down there, just use the buddy system. hook up with other threadheads!

and 2-3 people is not a group. muggings have happened to this number in past years - and by a solo mugger. (it was 2 guys & a girl in the warehouse district, at least 1 of them was local).

i've heard acting crazy works - that scares the thieves because they don't know how you will react.

mostly i wouldn't buy drugs from gang members - most of the murder in early january were related to that. (not tourists)

[stlbarb]

we usually have a slurge monitor with us and that seems to keep us safe...right Swampie? ;)

i've checked ebay and i can't seem to fin a slurge monitor. do you have a website?
:rolleyes:

[funkkjunkie]

Well, no worries, because all stellablue left us were here wordly possessions-quite appropriate for a chat bored. :rolleyes:

[ozzie]

Just ask Ozzie....

:D

Jeez Louise, I still have no memory of that night!

[Zydekitten]

Oh no, Ozzie - did the muggers steal that too??! :eek: ;)

[sailing]

Good tips, MGB. I like the one about United Cabs. Keep it local, baby!Like any big city just use your head and some common sense.And I agree don't wear flashy jewelry or watches and handbags that attract attention.Have a designated driver to hail that cab and do a headcount if you feel you must drink to the point of memory loss (in which case you will completely forget you were mugged in the morning).JUST HAVE FUN & USE YOUR COMMON SENSE.Hi I'm Faith and new to the threadheads.

[ozzie]

Oh no, Ozzie - did the muggers steal that too??! :eek: ;)

According to the doorman (who relayed all to the older one next day) I tried to give him all my cash for being such a nice fella so if any mugging involved they didn't take anything. Did wake up with that pesky black eye though. Mugged by the bloody door handle!

Kenny's laughing at me 'cos I keep updating him on stuff I've got tix to... "so, after the patry there's this show". He's like... "well I hope your computer mates will be there!" Which brings us back on topic... you're never alone, and always safe with threaheads.

[Lostcajun]

So true, Ozzie. Keep together!!! The people who tend to be committing these violent acts are usually targeting people they already know, and with whom they tend to share some violent history. This doesn't mean anyone should let their guard down though.

The sad reality is that, in my humble opinion, all of the criminal on criminal violence is a direct result of a bankrupt educational system (among a few other causes). It's been tolerated for decades and now the city is paying a very high price in precious human lives that should have had more love and more opportunities to create a better life.

[stlbarb]

According to the doorman (who relayed all to the older one next day) I tried to give him all my cash for being such a nice fella so if any mugging involved they didn't take anything. Did wake up with that pesky black eye though. Mugged by the bloody door handle!

Kenny's laughing at me 'cos I keep updating him on stuff I've got tix to... "so, after the patry there's this show". He's like... "well I hope your computer mates will be there!" Which brings us back on topic... you're never alone, and always safe with threaheads.

i would never take your money - however, i would help you spend it.

[sailing]

Lack of an education is another form of slavery, economic enslavement.Look at the problems in places like Darfur.Most stories have a tie in with the children paying to attend school daily to break the cycle.That is one of the reasons I like The Tipitina's Foundation for the IAC program.

[steveo]

All very good advice , Watch out for Pick Pockets they are very good , If women are being overly friendly( your not that good looking) watch your money, I have been stupid a few times in the Quarter almost got in a bit of trouble, I may be solo this year, hope to meet some cool people. Stay Safe. http://www.nopdonline.com/tips.htm

[pgh_girl]

My friend and I came down in December for a long weekend just to support the city and it was fine with the usual precautions of sticking to good traveling sense, mentioned elsewhere in the thread which includes not crossing Rampart/Esplanade.

[Papins]

yes, New Orleans has the highest homicide rate per capita. From a security standpoint, if you wouldn't do it at home-don't do it in New Orleans. Wear no flashy jewelry, don't walk in unlit areas, alway's try to walk with someone or in a crowd, keep aware of your surroundings. If your intuition tells you something doesn't feel right-chances are something isn't-go with it and act accordingly. Your best defense is common sense.

[pgh_girl]

can you all hear me sigh...the increase in violence is a direct result of poor civic leadership and increasing despair all in a city with a history of not so great civic leadership and a lack of investment in the educational system...I still love the place!

[stlbarb]

All very good advice , Watch out for Pick Pockets they are very good , If women are being overly friendly( your not that good looking) watch your money, I have been stupid a few times in the Quarter almost got in a bit of trouble, I may be solo this year, hope to meet some cool people. Stay Safe. http://www.nopdonline.com/tips.htm

True, keep your wallet in your front pocket or a pocket that zips or buttons - they'll likely try an easier target.
but if your drawers are already around your ankles.........

[Corona]

i've checked ebay and i can't seem to fin a slurge monitor. do you have a website?
:rolleyes:
roflmao....not sure where you get one exactly....Swampie offered and we definitely take her up on that :) Hebjamn is a fantastic slurge monitor also!

[Carolina Beadhead]

roflmao....not sure where you get one exactly....Swampie offered and we definitely take her up on that :) Hebjamn is a fantastic slurge monitor also!

I vote for Shaw. Even somewhat slurged, he's a great monitor. ;)

[breambob]

Lack of an education is another form of slavery, economic enslavement.Look at the problems in places like Darfur.Most stories have a tie in with the children paying to attend school daily to break the cycle.That is one of the reasons I like The Tipitina's Foundation for the IAC program.

Dead right on, sailing.
Glad you mentioned Tip's Foundation, they have a great program here and are opening up all over.

http://www.tipitinasfoundation.org/office.htm

Any pray for the families and children driven out of Darfur.

[ibjamn]

roflmao....not sure where you get one exactly....Swampie offered and we definitely take her up on that :) Hebjamn is a fantastic slurge monitor also!

I married my designated driver/slurge monitor!! :)

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-038.gif

[Corona]

I married my designated driver/slurge monitor!! :)

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/party/party-smiley-038.gif
Smarty pants...you are one lucky gal...but then again, he is one lucky dude :)

[Papins]

can you all hear me sigh...the increase in violence is a direct result of poor civic leadership and increasing despair all in a city with a history of not so great civic leadership and a lack of investment in the educational system... True, but in the moment, it won't do you much good against the guy with a gun at the ATM.

[ibjamn]

Thank you, chica! But he is a superstar! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/liebe/love-smiley-056.gif

[chicagomike]

This goes for anytime you travel. Take a minute to find out where the exits are in your hotel or wherever you are staying. Take a second to look over the evacuation plan that hangs by your hotel door. Try and stay in hotels that automatic fire sprinklers. The possibility of crime is always mentioned. This friendly fire safety reminder is brought to you by your friendly (most of the time) jazzfest fireman.

[socaleric]

One of the most important things I can advise is to stay on populated streets and take cabs when ya can after dark.....are you staying in the quarter Eric?

First, I appreciate you making the thread for me. I didn't know if my question was worthy of it's own thread.

I'm staying at the La Quinta Inn on Camp Street. I am definitely taking United taxi cabs; (504) 522-9771 is that # correct? I don't have intentions of walking around late at night in unfamiliar territory by myself!

Do you plan to come to the Meet and Greets?

I will definitely do that, but where is the info. for them?

i have heard from city folks that the french quarter is very safe, it's the outlying areas that are a problem.....whether day or not do not go on walking tours of residential areas...identify the most populated streets in and around the quarter and stick to those

So, I will definitely need to print out some maps, and highlight the areas that I should stay within. I intend on taking a vampire/cemetery (http://www.hauntedhistorytours.com/Voodoo.htm), is that what you warn me against? I have no idea where the French Quarter is. Yeah, I still need to do more research on my part - or can anyone give me a general idea of what streets are generally safe/crowded?

Everybody else, thanks for the helpful advice. I hope to meet many of you nice people! I'm so excited to go, and I can't wait to plan out my schedule for the daily activities. I want those schedules out already!

[stlbarb]

First, I appreciate you making the thread for me. I didn't know if my question was worthy of it's own thread.

I'm staying at the La Quinta Inn on Camp Street. I am definitely taking United taxi cabs; (504) 522-9771 is that # correct? I don't have intentions of walking around late at night in unfamiliar territory by myself!



I will definitely do that, but where is the info. for them?



So, I will definitely need to print out some maps, and highlight the areas that I should stay within. I intend on taking a vampire/cemetery (http://www.hauntedhistorytours.com/Voodoo.htm), is that what you warn me against? I have no idea where the French Quarter is. Yeah, I still need to do more research on my part - or can anyone give me a general idea of what streets are generally safe/crowded?

Everybody else, thanks for the helpful advice. I hope to meet many of you nice people! I'm so excited to go, and I can't wait to plan out my schedule for the daily activities. I want those schedules out already!

you will be safe on a group tour. some folks investigate the cemetaries on there own - the AAA tour book has warned that is a bad idea for years.

and remember, it doesn't have to be late or even night for someone to be looking to take advantage of a visitor. stay smart and you'll be as safe as you can be. bad things happen everywhere, but most accidents happen in the home. :)

[stlbarb]

roflmao....not sure where you get one exactly....Swampie offered and we definitely take her up on that :) Hebjamn is a fantastic slurge monitor also!

new buttons - Beware the Slurge
Slurge Monitor
Caution: Slurge in Progress

collect the set

[Belle]

I want those schedules out already! Socaler

Can I hear a big group scream? We are ready too!! Bring on the Cubes.

[glinda]

Enjoy exploring New Orleans, Eric!

For the best, most historically accurate ---- not over-commercialized/ fictionalized tours, I recommend Historic New Orleans Tours. http://www.tourneworleans.com/index.htm. I've been on several, some twice! They are the best. They have a cemetery/voodoo tour as well as a haunted tour. But the Garden District tour is my favorite.

[stlbarb]

Enjoy exploring New Orleans, Eric!

For the best, most historically accurate ---- not over-commercialized/ fictionalized tours, I recommend Historic New Orleans Tours. http://www.tourneworleans.com/index.htm. I've been on several, some twice! They are the best. They have a cemetery/voodoo tour as well as a haunted tour. But the Garden District tour is my favorite.

YOU ARE A GOOD WITCH!

[pokerchick66]

new buttons - Beware the Slurge
Slurge Monitor
Caution: Slurge in Progress

collect the set

I've got the Urge to Slurge!

[stlbarb]

I've got the Urge to Slurge!

Krewe de Slurge

[ScoopJohnD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Belle
Do you plan to come to the Meet and Greets?
I will definitely do that, but where is the info. for them?

Once the stage times for the acts for each day are announced intrepid TH's will suggest various times until a consensus is reached and it will then be posted on this here bored.

[rosetree]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Belle
Do you plan to come to the Meet and Greets?


Once the stage times for the acts for each day are announced intrepid TH's will suggest various times until a consensus is reached and it will then be posted on this here bored.

Isn't there a bulletin/meetup board at Ms. Lena's???

[ScoopJohnD]

Isn't there a bulletin/meetup board at Ms. Lena's???

Don't know about the bulletin/meetup board. The meetups themselves take place behind Ms Lena's but unless I've lost my mind the meetup times always get hashed out and decided upon on the bored.

I'm sure others will chime in to concur, correct and/or embellish what I said.

[mightyradgumbo]

Having been to the meet-ups only one year, I will chime in with what I know. Last year it was determined to be, I believe, 1:30 every day due to a slight lull in the action. It is determined based on the cubes.

[rosetree]

Don't know about the bulletin/meetup board. The meetups themselves take place behind Ms Lena's but unless I've lost my mind the meetup times always get hashed out and decided upon on the bored.

I'm sure others will chime in to concur, correct and/or embellish what I said.
OK, how about hanging a board at Ms. Lena's and we can post notes for others in the Threadhead nation to see (or will this group get too out of hand?)We do it at conventions.....It might be a good way to communicate esp. if cell phone service goes down...

[Carolina Beadhead]

Isn't there a bulletin/meetup board at Ms. Lena's???

We had one year before last. I believe Ms Lena supplied it.

[Corona]

:D Yup, my sis was talking about him last night at dinner....."that David is the sweetest man I've ever met! He's just a feel good person who takes such good care of everyone".

[Corona]

Krewe de Slurge
roflmao! You guys crack me up :) Do ya remember this from a couple of years ago?
"she slaggered slurgedly through the quarter...." I forget what thread this is on but it's in the dikshunary on this bored somewhere.....

[Corona]

Having been to the meet-ups only one year, I will chime in with what I know. Last year it was determined to be, I believe, 1:30 every day due to a slight lull in the action. It is determined based on the cubes.
eggsactly! It is usually around that time though...I'm hoping that for first Friday it'll be around 1:30-2:00 for when we get off working at Ms. Lena's. Make sure when you come to the meetups you swing around to see who's working the beer stand....there'll be a lot of threadheads in there who can't come out and play!

[NOLA]

Eric mentioned the number for United Cab, but I'm going to repeat it:

504-522-9771.

Program it into your cell phones NOW!!!

[Lostcajun]

Actually, having United Cab's Number is a great idea. Do it!!!

[mwgirlonherown]

Enjoy exploring New Orleans, Eric!

For the best, most historically accurate ---- not over-commercialized/ fictionalized tours, I recommend Historic New Orleans Tours. http://www.tourneworleans.com/index.htm. I've been on several, some twice! They are the best. They have a cemetery/voodoo tour as well as a haunted tour. But the Garden District tour is my favorite.

I also recommend visiting the National Park Service facility at 419 Decatur Street. Great programs as well as great music.

http://www.nps.gov/jazz/planyourvisit/index.htm

[Carolina Beadhead]

I also recommend visiting the National Park Service facility at 419 Decatur Street. Great programs as well as great music.

http://www.nps.gov/jazz/planyourvisit/index.htm

And then there's Ranger Sunpie... ;)

[mno]

(3) at night, don't go walking too far down canel street (i.e. going AWAY from the River) - even around the Ritz area and where the Saenger and St. Palace are, that's a VERY dicey area, especially at night

I agree - Rampart street too ... it just gets a little weird over that way.

[Lester_leaps_in]

Eric mentioned the number for United Cab, but I'm going to repeat it:

504-522-9771.

Program it into your cell phones NOW!!!

Great idea, NOLA. Done!

[sailing]

Thanks Lester.What about NOPD? Probably a good idea since so many regions don't react to 911 nationwide.

[Frosty]

My MIL is all worried about us going to NO. They just got back from a cruise to Acopulco:

Assaults on police stations killing seven, a chopped-up body discarded in rubbish bags, three execution-style murders and foreign tourists grazed by bullets: it was a nasty week in the resort city of Acapulco, defying a much flaunted crackdown on drug related violence and delivering a serious blow to Mexico’s tourism industry.

Drug wars killed more than 2 000 people last year in Mexico, and the state did little more than pick up the bodies.

President Felipe Calderon took office in December, and staked much of his political capital on showing the warring cartels that he is the boss, with a massive security operation involving 25 000 troops and police.

“He didn’t have much choice,” said political commentator Jorge Zepeda. “The problem had got completely out of control.”

But despite the roadblocks, air surveillance and boasts of intensive intelligence gathering -- as well as the extradition of some important kingpins to the United States -- the killing continues and there have been few arrests.

The 190 drug-related murders in January was a slight improvement on last year, but February could hardly have started worse.

“We are going to persevere with this difficult and arduous battle requiring great sacrifice from Mexicans,” Calderon said last week. “But rest assured that we are going to win, and Mexico will be free.”

The attacks on police stations in Acapulco were among the most spectacular so far in the bloody turf wars between the Gulf Cartel and the Sinaloa Federation -- Mexico’s main drug trafficking groups.

Dressed as soldiers and claiming to be carrying out a weapons inspection, the “commandos” first disarmed the police. They then opened fire, while the massacre was recorded on video.

Detectives later found a small arsenal of assault rifles, pistols, and grenades, in safe houses and get-away cars, along with military uniforms and a message reading, “We don’t give a shit about the federal government.”

It was bloody, brazen, and certainly not the news Acapulco’s business leaders wanted to be discussing as the sun set over the resort’s massive hotels, tacky beach discos, legendary cliff divers and luxury residences tucked away in exclusive coves beyond the main sweeping bay.

Acapulco had already suffered shocking violence -- evidence of which included a severed head washed up on the sand and two others stuck on poles outside a building last year. But the military operations were supposed to at least curb such violence.

Felix Salgado, Acapulco’s mayor, regularly receives death threats and is protected by 12 bodyguards. “I hope this doesn’t affect the tourist image,” he said, adding that patrols “guarantee the safety of visitors”.

But the patrols cannot guarantee safety. On February 3 two Canadian tourists were grazed by bullets fired from a car on the city’s coastal boulevard.

Tourism in Mexico employs two million workers and attracts about 20-million foreigners a year. Numbers fell slightly last year partly, officials admit, because of the violence.

“The only answer is to militarise more,” a source within the federal tourism ministry said. “But it gets to a point where the military presence itself scares people away.”

Despite fears of human rights abuses as a result of the militarisation of domestic security, the operations have so far enjoyed cross-party support.

There is wide recognition in Mexico that most local civilian police forces are as likely to provide security for a drug lord’s wedding party as bring him to justice, while the army is both far better trained and relatively clean.

The biggest risk, some analysts say, is that now they are exposed to the cartels on a regular basis more soldiers will follow in the footsteps of the Zetas -- a hit squad formed from military deserters in the late 1990s.

“We could have the paramilitarisation of drug trafficking in Mexico,” said a drug expert, Luis Astorga. “It would take the war to a whole other level.” -- © Guardian News & Media Ltd 2007

[Mardigrasbaby35]

Eric mentioned the number for United Cab, but I'm going to repeat it:

504-522-9771.

Program it into your cell phones NOW!!!

one more number for united:

522-9772 (that's supposed to be the "secret" second line, but everyone knows about it)

[festivalgirl]

You are So Cal Eric. Just use city rules and common sense. I feel safer in NOLA that here in LA, myself.

The question I ask myself - Am I being a dumbass?

[stlbarb]

You are So Cal Eric. Just use city rules and common sense. I feel safer in NOLA that here in LA, myself.

The question I ask myself - Am I being a dumbass?

well its not safe to attend Church in Los Angelos.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17572756/

[Corona]

My MIL is all worried about us going to NO. They just got back from a cruise to Acopulco:

Assaults on police stations killing seven, a chopped-up body discarded in rubbish bags, three execution-style murders and foreign tourists grazed by bullets: it was a nasty week in the resort city of Acapulco, defying a much flaunted crackdown on drug related violence and delivering a serious blow to Mexico’s tourism industry.

Drug wars killed more than 2 000 people last year in Mexico, and the state did little more than pick up the bodies.

President Felipe Calderon took office in December, and staked much of his political capital on showing the warring cartels that he is the boss, with a massive security operation involving 25 000 troops and police.

“He didn’t have much choice,” said political commentator Jorge Zepeda. “The problem had got completely out of control.”

But despite the roadblocks, air surveillance and boasts of intensive intelligence gathering -- as well as the extradition of some important kingpins to the United States -- the killing continues and there have been few arrests.

The 190 drug-related murders in January was a slight improvement on last year, but February could hardly have started worse.

“We are going to persevere with this difficult and arduous battle requiring great sacrifice from Mexicans,” Calderon said last week. “But rest assured that we are going to win, and Mexico will be free.”

The attacks on police stations in Acapulco were among the most spectacular so far in the bloody turf wars between the Gulf Cartel and the Sinaloa Federation -- Mexico’s main drug trafficking groups.

Dressed as soldiers and claiming to be carrying out a weapons inspection, the “commandos” first disarmed the police. They then opened fire, while the massacre was recorded on video.

Detectives later found a small arsenal of assault rifles, pistols, and grenades, in safe houses and get-away cars, along with military uniforms and a message reading, “We don’t give a shit about the federal government.”

It was bloody, brazen, and certainly not the news Acapulco’s business leaders wanted to be discussing as the sun set over the resort’s massive hotels, tacky beach discos, legendary cliff divers and luxury residences tucked away in exclusive coves beyond the main sweeping bay.

Acapulco had already suffered shocking violence -- evidence of which included a severed head washed up on the sand and two others stuck on poles outside a building last year. But the military operations were supposed to at least curb such violence.

Felix Salgado, Acapulco’s mayor, regularly receives death threats and is protected by 12 bodyguards. “I hope this doesn’t affect the tourist image,” he said, adding that patrols “guarantee the safety of visitors”.

But the patrols cannot guarantee safety. On February 3 two Canadian tourists were grazed by bullets fired from a car on the city’s coastal boulevard.

Tourism in Mexico employs two million workers and attracts about 20-million foreigners a year. Numbers fell slightly last year partly, officials admit, because of the violence.

“The only answer is to militarise more,” a source within the federal tourism ministry said. “But it gets to a point where the military presence itself scares people away.”

Despite fears of human rights abuses as a result of the militarisation of domestic security, the operations have so far enjoyed cross-party support.

There is wide recognition in Mexico that most local civilian police forces are as likely to provide security for a drug lord’s wedding party as bring him to justice, while the army is both far better trained and relatively clean.

The biggest risk, some analysts say, is that now they are exposed to the cartels on a regular basis more soldiers will follow in the footsteps of the Zetas -- a hit squad formed from military deserters in the late 1990s.

“We could have the paramilitarisation of drug trafficking in Mexico,” said a drug expert, Luis Astorga. “It would take the war to a whole other level.” -- © Guardian News & Media Ltd 2007
WOW!!

[festivalgirl]

well its not safe to attend Church in Los Angelos.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17572756/

This was Oakland - No Cal - but not any better than LA.

Glad I'm an atheist.

[ohio]

Isn't there a bulletin/meetup board at Ms. Lena's???
Here's the one from '05. That's Az on the milk carton. Can't imagine who would make a picture like that....
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/bryanr1234/P1010136.jpg

[stlbarb]

This was Oakland - No Cal - but not any better than LA.

Glad I'm an atheist.

sorry i read it early this morning and had LA in my mind. oakland = angels.
SF, won't claim them either.

glad i sleep in on sundays.

[Amy Winette]

Oakland can be pretty scary too. Have a jazz fest friend who was mugged at gun point in Oakland.

[stlbarb]

Oakland can be pretty scary too. Have a jazz fest friend who was mugged at gun point in Oakland.

were they trying to steal their vintage fest t-shirt?

[Amy Winette]

Nah, just wallet and a burrito.

[stlbarb]

Nah, just wallet and a burrito.

they took the burrito? that's low.

[Amy Winette]

Truthfully no, but my friend did offer it!

[Corona]

Here's the one from '05. That's Az on the milk carton. Can't imagine who would make a picture like that....
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/bryanr1234/P1010136.jpg
That was one of the funniest things I ever saw at fest....we were dying laughing...Az was sorely missed :(

[festivalgirl]

sorry i read it early this morning and had LA in my mind. oakland = angels.
SF, won't claim them either.

glad i sleep in on sundays.

No Cal, So Cal ...... definitely a state in turmoil. It's as angry here as I've ever seen any place. Even NYC in the 70's.

Not too bright, either. Just look at the Governor :eek:

[balmer_hophead]

Does anyone have any guidance as to which areas around the French Quarter are safe for walking? Any advice such as don't go South of X Street or don't go North of y would be very much helpful.

I appreciate all of the helpful posts about walking in well traveled areas etc, but I was wondering how to identify these areas now so we book in a good location.

Is the Warehouse district safe for walking? We were booked at the Renaissance Pere Marquette but were considering switching to the Renaissance Arts. We'd definitely like to be in a place that we can walk to things.

One helpful post said not to go too far up Canal, which makes me think that the Pere Marquette may not be in a great location.

[mymecca]

they took the burrito? that's low.

friggin' police chief's son and his drunken friends assaulted two guys for their fajitas...he was also a rookie police officer, i believe already on probation for abuse of power/anger management issues...top brass even tried to not report it until their blood alcohol level went down...nothin' happened with the criminal charges, not sure about civil suit...

[Papins]

I appreciate all of the helpful posts about walking in well traveled areas etc, but I was wondering how to identify these areas now so we book in a good location.

Go online for a map of New Orleans to check out hotels and when you book, stay away from Rampart St. Also, go onto the Times-Picayune website and check out crime reports.

[funkkjunkie]

Rampart is the street you dont want to cross. Also as you leave the quarter at the esplanade end and go into the marigny, be very careful and pay attention.

[Mardigrasbaby35]

Does anyone have any guidance as to which areas around the French Quarter are safe for walking? Any advice such as don't go South of X Street or don't go North of y would be very much helpful.

I appreciate all of the helpful posts about walking in well traveled areas etc, but I was wondering how to identify these areas now so we book in a good location.

Is the Warehouse district safe for walking? We were booked at the Renaissance Pere Marquette but were considering switching to the Renaissance Arts. We'd definitely like to be in a place that we can walk to things.

One helpful post said not to go too far up Canal, which makes me think that the Pere Marquette may not be in a great location.

Pere Marquette Rennaissance isn't bad - if when you leave the Pere marquette you walk towards the river first and then over, you are pretty safe walking to the quarter - however, I'll admit, i like the Rennaissance Arts better, its in pretty busy part of the Warehouse district, w/in walking distance of the Howeling wolf and a quick cab ride from the quarter (or, during the day, a walk to the quarter, a tad long, but if you don't mind walking......) - (and, i happen to be VERY good friends with one of the bartenders at La Cote, the bar/restaurant at the Rennaissance Arts, if you stay there, ask for Randy at the bar (he's the big guy, looks like he used to play football) - he's the bartender there, he thinks i'm crazy when it comes to teh Jazz Fest, but if you mention that you're a Jazz Fest threadhead he'll treat you right.....:D

[marignygreg]

I agree you need to be careful on,near or beyond Rampart Street,but for the brave here are a few enticements. The N.O.J. & H. F. headquarters, St. Louis #1 and #2 Cemetaries, Donna's, King Boldens, St. Augustines, Backstreet Cultural Museum, African American Museum,Congo Square and Armstrong Park. I would not go to St. Louis # 2 without a tour group or a major funeral going on. St. Louis # 1 is o.k. Sunday mornings before noon. The area beyond Rampart is the 'Treme' and home to many of N.O. musicians as well as being the oldest African American Neighborhood in the country. When they have an event at St. Augustines, Congo Square or the Backstreet Museum it is safe and I even bring my 12 year old boy. Be safe.

[bywterbro]

greg knows his shit.....for those who dont know...backstreet is the
mardi gras indian museum, and for those who are into their costumes,
history, etc. its worth the trip.....during the year there are excellent events
at st. augustine, and at Armstrong Park (congo square), not sure if
anything is planned du ring fest......going to Donnas, and the other clubs
on the river side of N. Rampart, even at nite should be fine...
but when in doubt at nite....take a cab......
for those of you who want to get a real feel for New Orleans,
check out Kermit Ruffins at Vaughans which is in the bywater neighborhood,
I believe its thursday nite...
Kermit lives in the neighborhood, and its kind of his home gig...
he usually hangs outside before he plays, talks to everybody, sometimes
bbqs food for folks...
in fact tons of musicians live in this neighborhood...Charmain Neville,
Andy J. Forrest, members of the Vipers, Hot Club of New orleans,etc...
In fact talking about Andy...he and his wife have a cool little cafe
on Dauphine near Piety....its open from like 8am-2p....Andy is an excellent
musician, and also an excellent artist, and his huge paintings are hanging
all over the place...its called Caffea...and often there are musicians stopping
in to jam with andy.....ie. Charmaine Neville, Davell Crawford, Washboard Chaz..etc...ive biked all over the Bywater and the Marigny, even late at
nite and never had a problem....but for those who dont know the area
well i suggest a cab at nite....a bike during the day is fine..

[Zbonnie]

Go online for a map of New Orleans to check out hotels and when you book, stay away from Rampart St. Also, go onto the Times-Picayune website and check out crime reports.Please don't let these admonitions keep anyone away from the best, friendliest jazz/brass band nightclub in NOLA (IMHO) that also serves good homemade food, Donna's Bar and Grill on the corner of N. Rampart and St. Ann. I have never seen or heard any problems while hanging out on that corner or in the club.

[NYMAMA]

Please don't let these admonitions keep anyone away from the best, friendliest jazz/brass band nightclub in NOLA (IMHO) that also serves good homemade food, Donna's Bar and Grill on the corner of N. Rampart and St. Ann. I have never seen or heard any problems while hanging out on that corner or in the club.

We always go to Donnas while we are in NOLA and walk back to our hotel late at night down St Ann and have never had any problems.

[bywterbro]

right....Donnas is great...

[funkkjunkie]

i'm planning walk over to donna's from dauphine to have some of that soul food they serve for lunch.

[Corona]

Rampart is the street you dont want to cross. Also as you leave the quarter at the esplanade end and go into the marigny, be very careful and pay attention.
:( that's where we're staying...Kerlerec near Esplanade and Burgundy

[Corona]

:( that's where we're staying...Kerlerec near Esplanade and Burgundy
actually we are one block away from esplanade (going into the Marigny) between Dauphine and Burgundy but closer to Dauphie. How bad do you think that is? It's right near Port of Call no?

[Zydekitten]

I ride my bike when in NOLA right by there, and it seems to be okay - you're below Rampart and right near the Marigny/Frenchmen St.

[stlbarb]

Does anyone have any guidance as to which areas around the French Quarter are safe for walking? Any advice such as don't go South of X Street or don't go North of y would be very much helpful.

I appreciate all of the helpful posts about walking in well traveled areas etc, but I was wondering how to identify these areas now so we book in a good location.

Is the Warehouse district safe for walking? We were booked at the Renaissance Pere Marquette but were considering switching to the Renaissance Arts. We'd definitely like to be in a place that we can walk to things.

One helpful post said not to go too far up Canal, which makes me think that the Pere Marquette may not be in a great location.

there are no exact perimeters where thugs might hang, or where they won't. but some areas are known to be more 'iffy' than others, as stated in many other posts here.
but what might be scary at night might be ok for mid day. what might be dangerous alone might be safe in a large group. its all very subjective, ask local working folks what they think about a particular area. if your the only person(s) on that street, you probably shouldn't be on that street.
if someone behind you or coming at you makes you uncomfortable, change sides of the street, or walk in the middle - which prevents those hiding in doorways to startle you - but the NOPD really frown on walking in the middle (my experience).
thugs are looking for easy pickin's most of the time. they like tourists because they rarely return to testify. so try not to look like your drunk, confused, lost, or just plain stupid.

[ozzie]

Rampart is the street you dont want to cross. Also as you leave the quarter at the esplanade end and go into the marigny, be very careful and pay attention.

We're near the esplanade at the river end (I think Gov. Nicholls + Chatres) and I had thought we could walk to frenchmen clubs. Yes? No? Haven't been into the marigny yet, so don't know our way around.

As an aside, esp. if on your own, is it acceptable to get a cab for just a few blocks from anywhere to anywhere? Say, if I was at HOB and didn't want to walk to hotel on my own late at night.

[Papins]

Please don't let these admonitions keep anyone away from the best, friendliest jazz/brass band nightclub in NOLA (IMHO) that also serves good homemade food, Donna's Bar and Grill on the corner of N. Rampart and St. Ann. I have never seen or heard any problems while hanging out on that corner or in the club.
I'm just passing along what's been told to me by locals. The first time we stayed in New Olreans, was at Masion Dupey...the cab driver called it "The DMZ".I've heard of Donna's Bar & Grill and based upon what you just wrote, I'll venture down.

[Zydekitten]

We're near the esplanade at the river end (I think Gov. Nicholls + Chatres) and I had thought we could walk to frenchmen clubs. Yes? No? Haven't been into the marigny yet, so don't know our way around.

As an aside, esp. if on your own, is it acceptable to get a cab for just a few blocks from anywhere to anywhere? Say, if I was at HOB and didn't want to walk to hotel on my own late at night.

You should be okay from there, if you're not walking alone and/or very late at night. At night, I'd cab it to/from there - especially if you're on your own - in the day, it should be fine.

[funkkjunkie]

Yes, you can get a cab for a few blocks. We got one from frenchmen to decatur and bienville and then rode back in the same one after we let jeff and amy out. Just don't tell him where you want to go until you're in the cab. :)
Lis, you know how to be careful in NOLA and you're not gonna let your girls walk around alone. So it will be fine.

[Zydekitten]

I'm just passing along what's been told to me by locals. The first time we stayed in New Olreans, was at Masion Dupey...the cab driver called it "The DMZ".I've heard of Donna's Bar & Grill and based upon what you just wrote, I'll venture down.
I've never had a problem in year of going to Donna's and the dear, departed Funky Butt, but I also don't walk down along Rampart - I either ride my bike and/or cab it through the Quarter to get there.

Donna's is a "must-see" venue in NOLA, especially for Fest - years past, it was the very first club stop, the very first night in New Orleans.

[eat_mo_crawfish]

We stayed a little over 2 blocks from Donna's last year, 3/4 block off Rampart (towards Bourbon), and didn't have any problems, except for that guy who passed out on our porch, and I'm surprised it wasn't someone I know. We walked over to Donna's twice and just hung out on the sidewalk, listening to the music oooze out. It's all good.

[marignygreg]

Hey Corona, you are staying right around the corner from my houses ( I'm at Burgundy and Kerlerec ).This is a very cool and charming area that is centrally located between the Quarter action and the Frenchmen Street clubs. You can even walk to the fest from your B&B or catch the bus at Rampart and Esplanade. You should be fine as long as you use normal street smarts. To bad I'm missing this year or I'd show you around the hood. Have fun.

[Belle]

I read the local NOLa paper daily and the one thing that strikes me everytime is the thugs are killing there own. Many an article states that "the victums and shooters knew each other". Since we are not one of them, treat this like any CITY be aware of your surroundings, walk with others and mind your own business.

Enjoy New Orleans and just be smart.

[stlbarb]

I read the local NOLa paper daily and the one thing that strikes me everytime is the thugs are killing there own. Many an article states that "the victums and shooters knew each other". Since we are not one of them, treat this like any CITY be aware of your surroundings, walk with others and mind your own business.

Enjoy New Orleans and just be smart.

and don't buy drugs from gang members. :(

[Belle]

and don't buy drugs from gang members. :(

So if you what some weed, then what?

[glinda]

BYOW

[funkkjunkie]

No worries, Belle. You're at the jazzfest. And in another one of those go slow and pay attention situations. watch the crowd around you, esp if you're at one of the 2 big stages. :cool: Just put on your puppy dog face for the peeps next to you or a couple rows up who are passing the pipe. :cool:

[Mardigrasbaby35]

actually we are one block away from esplanade (going into the Marigny) between Dauphine and Burgundy but closer to Dauphie. How bad do you think that is? It's right near Port of Call no?


Corona - you're not too bad - just be smart and pay attention - that's a pretty populated area.....

[Mardigrasbaby35]

We're near the esplanade at the river end (I think Gov. Nicholls + Chatres) and I had thought we could walk to frenchmen clubs. Yes? No? Haven't been into the marigny yet, so don't know our way around.

As an aside, esp. if on your own, is it acceptable to get a cab for just a few blocks from anywhere to anywhere? Say, if I was at HOB and didn't want to walk to hotel on my own late at night.

YES - you can take a cab two blocks if you want -completely acceptable and the cab driver will love you cause he won't have to go too far from the quarter and will pick up another easy fare....

[glinda]

Corona - you're not too bad - just be smart and pay attention - that's a pretty populated area.....
Corona, sounds like you're staying just down the street from my krewe's B&B. We'll be on Dauphine just a couple doors past Esplanade. I got a little nervous about the area reading some of these posts. It seemed fine last year. But I know it's near where that woman was shot right in her own house. I used to feel OK walking alone around there, but I guess after dark I shouldn't.

One of the most dangerous things is the constant scent of those port o call burgers smokin' & calling to you....

[Bill/KC]

To get from one end of the Quarter, I usually traverse along Bourbon or Decatur. Lots of people, so it's pretty safe (though you do have to step over vomit on Bourbon on occasion :) ). However, I have found myself in the more "residential" areas of the Quarter before and been a little spooked (dark streets and not a lot of folks around). Like everyone else has said, travel with other people, watch your surroundings and don't look like easy prey.

[VWGal]

Using Bourbon to get from one end of the Quarter to another at night is this gal's solo Festin' tradition -- it's safe and highly entertaining, if not aromatic!

[Zydekitten]

Using Bourbon to get from one end of the Quarter to another at night is this gal's solo Festin' tradition -- it's safe and highly entertaining, if not aromatic!
Well, I prefer Royal, Chartres or Decatur - but Bourbon will work also . . .

[Corona]

Corona, sounds like you're staying just down the street from my krewe's B&B. We'll be on Dauphine just a couple doors past Esplanade. I got a little nervous about the area reading some of these posts. It seemed fine last year. But I know it's near where that woman was shot right in her own house. I used to feel OK walking alone around there, but I guess after dark I shouldn't.

One of the most dangerous things is the constant scent of those port o call burgers smokin' & calling to you....
Thanks you guys....I've always been cool about walking in the quarter, marigny, downtown etc. and have stayed all over including the arts and warehouse district. Never had a problem....the Helen Hill thing spooked me I guess....

I've been pouring over maps the last couple of days and feel pretty secure about the walk....Esplanade all the way up to Dauphine then over one block and then up a couple of houses. Shouldn't be too bad....it's the stretch from Kerlerec to Frenchmen and back that's a little further but by 2nd weekend we'll have our boyz with us (my friends from work) so that should help a lot. Frustrates the hell out of me that I'm a bit fearful this year.....still won't stop me from doing anything though....it's pretty easy to scoop a cab on Frenchmen if ya really need to.

The stretch from Bourbon (a couple of blocks after St. Ann) going toward Esplanade/Frenchmen St. gets a bit deserted, then ya gotta do some funky cross over to get to Frenchmen..I'm hoping it'll be a bit busier this year as last year that stretch was e-m-p-t-y of people...everything was cool though.

Hey Oz, if you're heading back from HOB on your own...take a cab for sure...that's pretty friggin' far if you're buzzed girl....

[Corona]

Thanks you guys....I've always been cool about walking in the quarter, marigny, downtown etc. and have stayed all over including the arts and warehouse district. Never had a problem....the Helen Hill thing spooked me I guess....

I've been pouring over maps the last couple of days and feel pretty secure about the walk....Esplanade all the way up to Dauphine then over one block and then up a couple of houses. Shouldn't be too bad....it's the stretch from Kerlerec to Frenchmen and back that's a little further but by 2nd weekend we'll have our boyz with us (my friends from work) so that should help a lot. Frustrates the hell out of me that I'm a bit fearful this year.....still won't stop me from doing anything though....it's pretty easy to scoop a cab on Frenchmen if ya really need to.

The stretch from Bourbon (a couple of blocks after St. Ann) going toward Esplanade/Frenchmen St. gets a bit deserted, then ya gotta do some funky cross over to get to Frenchmen..I'm hoping it'll be a bit busier this year as last year that stretch was e-m-p-t-y of people...everything was cool though.

Hey Oz, if you're heading back from HOB on your own...take a cab for sure...that's pretty friggin' far if you're buzzed girl....
The fact that Port of Call is across the street is the biggest bonus of all :)

[marignygreg]

I have never had a problem walking around these areas but I have had to play 'Dodge The Seedballs' a few times. What I like about the grid pattern and short blocks of the Quarter is if you spot trouble up the street you can easily avoid it. The area that I find the most lawless and scary is the Upper Quarter from Canal to St. Louis. Funny that most folks consider this the safe part of the Quarter. Helen Hill was murdered at Burgundy and Spain, a safe distance from where you guys are staying and out of the tourist zone. Still be careful when out late and dinking. Taxi over to Iggie's at Burgundy and Touro for a late night or early morning Bloody Mary. Dont forget to stop in at Buffa's !! Damn I'm getting jealous.

[Corona]

I have never had a problem walking around these areas but I have had to play 'Dodge The Seedballs' a few times. What I like about the grid pattern and short blocks of the Quarter is if you spot trouble up the street you can easily avoid it. The area that I find the most lawless and scary is the Upper Quarter from Canal to St. Louis. Funny that most folks consider this the safe part of the Quarter. Helen Hill was murdered at Burgundy and Spain, a safe distance from where you guys are staying and out of the tourist zone. Still be careful when out late and dinking. Taxi over to Iggie's at Burgundy and Touro for a late night or early morning Bloody Mary. Dont forget to stop in at Buffa's !! Damn I'm getting jealous.
Thanks Greg, you settled my nerves a bit and now I'm much more excited :D :D

[BigDag]

Thanks Greg, you settled my nerves a bit and now I'm much more excited :D :D

I'm in agreement; I don't think you'll have any problem. I've wandered back and forth around that part of town dozens (hundreds?) of times and never had any trouble at all

[stlbarb]

I'm in agreement; I don't think you'll have any problem. I've wandered back and forth around that part of town dozens (hundreds?) of times and never had any trouble at all

i gonna have to assume you earned your name? you're a big guy?
you may just scare them away - sometimes size matters. ;)

[glinda]

Thanks Greg, you settled my nerves a bit and now I'm much more excited :D :D
Yes, the locals and frequent visitors' thoughts are reassuring.
And La Peniche is right down the street too!

[stlbarb]

Yes, the locals and frequent visitors' thoughts are reassuring.
And La Peniche is right down the street too!

i don't know, that neighborhood is starting to sound dangerous. with that many threadheads there - you're in danger of never sleeping. :p

[BigDag]

i gonna have to assume you earned your name? you're a big guy?
you may just scare them away - sometimes size matters. ;)

I'm big alright, but big in a round way. Not exactly tall and cut. (Although I've never watched The Family Guy, people tell me I look just like my avatar.)

But come to think of it, nobody ever really messes with me.

Maybe I just look pitiful. That may be it. :)

[stlbarb]

I'm big alright, but big in a round way. Not exactly tall and cut. (Although I've never watched The Family Guy, people tell me I look just like my avatar.)

But come to think of it, nobody ever really messes with me.

Maybe I just look pitiful. That may be it. :)

maybe they figure you aint got no money.

[BigDag]

maybe they figure you aint got no money.

That's not only very possible, it's also quite likely.

[Corona]

I'm big alright, but big in a round way. Not exactly tall and cut. (Although I've never watched The Family Guy, people tell me I look just like my avatar.)

But come to think of it, nobody ever really messes with me.

Maybe I just look pitiful. That may be it. :)
you do not! I've met you and I wouldn't mess with you if I were a mugger.....not pitiful at all...more like a football player kinda....silly!

[Zbonnie]

I'm big alright, but big in a round way. Not exactly tall and cut. (Although I've never watched The Family Guy, people tell me I look just like my avatar.) :)Oh, you have GOT to watch Family Guy - it is subversive, sarcastic, clever, irreverent, and hysterically funny (just like us Threadheads, right?) Better yet, rent the DVDs and watch with no commercial interruption. "FAMILY GUY" RULES!

[stlbarb]

Please don't let these admonitions keep anyone away from the best, friendliest jazz/brass band nightclub in NOLA (IMHO) that also serves good homemade food, Donna's Bar and Grill on the corner of N. Rampart and St. Ann. I have never seen or heard any problems while hanging out on that corner or in the club.

safety is an issue everywhere, even in your home town.
this happened 7 blocks from our favorite restaurant, and in a neighborhood i would describe as cautious, but not dangerous.

An 89-year-old man was fighting for his life at St. Louis University Hospital after being severely beaten and possibly robbed in an alley near his St. Louis apartment building, authorities said.

About 5:30 p.m. Monday, a neighbor found Henry E. Richert, of the 4200 block of Virginia Avenue, bloodied and bruised next to or inside a trash bin in an alley near his apartment building, police said. He was apparently collecting bottles and cans from trash bins in the alley when he was assaulted.

:mad:

[bywterbro]

thats low...picking on old people....
things can happen anywhere, especially in major cities...
im p utting out the positive vibes that fest will be trouble free,
both at the fairgrounds and for visitors to our chunky funky city...

[luvdancin]

safety is an issue everywhere, even in your home town.
this happened 7 blocks from our favorite restaurant, and in a neighborhood i would describe as cautious, but not dangerous.

An 89-year-old man was fighting for his life at St. Louis University Hospital after being severely beaten and possibly robbed in an alley near his St. Louis apartment building, authorities said.

About 5:30 p.m. Monday, a neighbor found Henry E. Richert, of the 4200 block of Virginia Avenue, bloodied and bruised next to or inside a trash bin in an alley near his apartment building, police said. He was apparently collecting bottles and cans from trash bins in the alley when he was assaulted.

:mad:
I assume that was by Iron Barley, Barb. There were times that I was uncomfortable walking to my car after coming out of there. So I turned around and had Gary or somebody stand in the door and watch until I drove away. Many times there were guys across the street that were not my idea of friends. So I wouldn't describe that neighborhood as "cautious".

[stlbarb]

I assume that was by Iron Barley, Barb. There were times that I was uncomfortable walking to my car after coming out of there. So I turned around and had Gary or somebody stand in the door and watch until I drove away. Many times there were guys across the street that were not my idea of friends. So I wouldn't describe that neighborhood as "cautious".

cautious is having your friends watch/walk you to your car (they do that in soulard too), dangerous is calling the police to walk you to your car.

the guy was taking out his trash in the middle of the afternoon - that's harsh.

-there's always girls standing around by themselves up by the gas station. ;)

[Zydekitten]

I'm in agreement; I don't think you'll have any problem. I've wandered back and forth around that part of town dozens (hundreds?) of times and never had any trouble at all
I concur - I've been staying in the Bywater for years now, I wander in that area - never had an issue and I'm not a Big Dag. Just use basic urban awareness (which I use in ANY city - even Boise, and THAT'S sedate place) and y'all will be just fine. :)

[mightyradgumbo]

I concur - I've been staying in the Bywater for years now, I wander in that area - never had an issue and I'm not a Big Dag. Just use basic urban awareness (which I use in ANY city - even Boise, and THAT'S sedate place) and y'all will be just fine. :)

Agreed, Zkitten...watch your back when you are in "un" areas-unfamiliar or unlit-do not get slurged and walk home alone (or worse a cab-gawd knows how much money you give the cabbie for a ride from the middle of Decauter to the Frenchmen after a couple of monsoons :o )

[Corona]

Agreed, Zkitten...watch your back when you are in "un" areas-unfamiliar or unlit-do not get slurged and walk home alone (or worse a cab-gawd knows how much money you give the cabbie for a ride from the middle of Decauter to the Frenchmen after a couple of monsoons :o )
oh sh*t, that was our monsoon day during Festgiving wasn't it....we were s-l-u-r-g-e-d! See what happens when we don't have a slurge monitor? lol How much did you tip that dude?

[sailing]

WHERE IS THAT TELEPHONE NUMBER TO UNITED TAXICAB? I NEED TO PROGRAM MY OTHER CELL PHONE FOR IT.THANKS

[Carolina Beadhead]

WHERE IS THAT TELEPHONE NUMBER TO UNITED TAXICAB? I NEED TO PROGRAM MY OTHER CELL PHONE FOR IT.THANKS
504 522-9771 :D

[Orleansnj]

504-522-9771

some things are just in ya head fer life

[rosetree]

Why is everyone yelling??????:confused: ;)

[Zydekitten]

LMAO!!!

I was wondering that too, Rosy . . .

;)

[Theotherone]

I look back on some of our experiences in NOLA and think we fall into the “there but for the grace of God” category. That is we, were probably too tipsy walking in a too iffy of a neighborhood. The point was never driven home more then last year at FQF when Bear and I walked through a residential part of the Fauborg Marigny. A young lady, much younger than us, stopped and asked for a cigarette light. She looked us over and told us to be careful. Having a young lady – young enough to be our daugheter – was somewhat jarring. I’ve never thought of FM as being dangerious. But the point was driven home – you need to be on your guard.

[swag]

504-522-9771

some things are just in ya head fer life

some things are just in ya speed dial fer life.

[peaceflag]

I've got a ticket to the Toussaint/Ball show, am staying on Decatur and was planning on walking there and back, but am now feeling some paranoia seep in (you know what the Kinks said) about that plan. (Aghh! I just remembered what happened to Ray Davies in NOLA - maybe this is just the fates talking to me.) I'm okay with the quarter, but what about that stretch of South Peters past Poydras? I'm grateful for any knowledgeable info on this area. Anyone else going who isn't hanging out for the late show?

[Amy Winette]

We've walked between the Howlin Wolf and the Quarter many times at all times of the night :) Not sure which night that is but I think we'll be at the wolf 4/26, 5/4 and 5/5.

[bywterbro]

its so inexpensive to take a cab...

[Amy Winette]

We've cabbed that route too when feet are hurting too much to walk. Wolf isn't very far from the quarter though.

[Belle]

Why is everyone yelling??????:confused: ;)

Shush! You are the best RT

[Bill/KC]

I've got a ticket to the Toussaint/Ball show, am staying on Decatur and was planning on walking there and back, but am now feeling some paranoia seep in (you know what the Kinks said) about that plan. (Aghh! I just remembered what happened to Ray Davies in NOLA - maybe this is just the fates talking to me.) I'm okay with the quarter, but what about that stretch of South Peters past Poydras? I'm grateful for any knowledgeable info on this area. Anyone else going who isn't hanging out for the late show?
The streets around the Wolf are pretty dark (or at least they used to be). I'd take a cab...it won't cost that much.

[trixie]

Can you get cabs round the clock?

[Papins]

Take a cab. Whatever it costs, it's cheaper than being a victim of some thug.

[saturn]

Can you get cabs round the clock?

New Orleans is very much a "round the clock" kind of place. Just keep the United Cab number on your speed dial, and you will be able to get service.

504 522-9771

[Stella Blue]

I am glad to see this thread get a bump, even though it is a depressing topic. I have to admit: This issue has been bothering me as we get closer to the fest. I did some "research'' -- I hate to call it that because it was basically Googling, going on NOLA.com and using other sites with search words -- to see what I could figure out about the situation.
It's sad, really, but it does seem like most of the killings are gang/drug-related, with the victims knowing the prepetrators. I'm not saying that visitors to the area are totally safe -- in fact, the brazen robberies, etc. and the few seemingly random murders are frightful -- but I am wondering how I am going to feel when I am down there.
I have walked around a lot at night, though usually with someone, and I never felt it was dangerous -- except for the one time when we stupidity got inpatient for a cab way late at night and started to walk from Tips Uptown to FQ.
Incredibly dumb.
I would be interested to hear from more people "on the ground'' in NOLA about the crime situation...

[McGregor]

Can you get cabs round the clock?

Not to be a downer but in Oct on my last trip it took a good amount of time all weekend. Maybe it was just bad luck.

[trixie]

New Orleans is very much a "round the clock" kind of place. Just keep the United Cab number on your speed dial, and you will be able to get service.



Saturn, What a great little nugget of help you gave me. I put the number directly into my phone. I can't wait to use it:) Thank you for posting that.

[Fred (Texas JF Fanatic)]

When going out in any city I only bring my drivers license, insurance card and the cash I plan on spending.

[Bill/KC]

Bumpin' off page 9 for the newbies.

[Festering]

Just visited the United web site (www.unitedcabs.com) to put their dispatch number (504-522-9771) on voice dial on my cell and noticed they say they take credit cards, if you alert the dispatcher in advance.

Might be a good way to avoid flashing too much cash in your travels.

-dan

[jazzfestchic]

Ask for 145 United Cab. That is my dad.

[saturn]

Ask for 145 United Cab. That is my dad.

OK -- but that is going to make him one busy cab driver. :D

[OrangeGator]

Thanks for all the information from this thread, we somehow still have mixed feelings about safety since this will be our first visit to NO and first fest (Woohoo). I just have a couple of questions, hopefully will get some answers.

We'll be staying on Canal street, will we need to cab from our hotel or safe enough to walk to:

1. Howling Wolf
2. Tiptina's uptown
3. Emeril's

Is the St. Charles streetcar pretty safe on the daytime?

Thanks for the help!

PS: Nice meeting all of you.

[Jada]

Thanks for all the information from this thread, we somehow still have mixed feelings about safety since this will be our first visit to NO and first fest (Woohoo). I just have a couple of questions, hopefully will get some answers.

We'll be staying on Canal street, will we need to cab from our hotel or safe enough to walk to:

1. Howling Wolf
2. Tiptina's uptown
3. Emeril's

Is the St. Charles streetcar pretty safe on the daytime?

Thanks for the help!

PS: Nice meeting all of you.

How many are in your group? If it's just 2 of you, cab it. If more, you could probably walk to the Wolf or Emerils depending on where on Canal you are staying.
You'll need a cab to Tips for sure...way too far to walk
Streetcar is always safe, but right now it's only going as far as Lee Circle.

[Chicago Fest Fan]

Thanks for all the information from this thread, we somehow still have mixed feelings about safety since this will be our first visit to NO and first fest (Woohoo). I just have a couple of questions, hopefully will get some answers.

We'll be staying on Canal street, will we need to cab from our hotel or safe enough to walk to:

1. Howling Wolf
2. Tiptina's uptown
3. Emeril's

Is the St. Charles streetcar pretty safe on the daytime?

Thanks for the help!

PS: Nice meeting all of you.

Wolf yes
Emerils yes
Tips uptown No - Too far to walk

St Charles Street car is a nice ride during the day. Cab is always safer at night.

[Jada]

I take that back about walking to the Wolf...I forgot how far down they are...might want to cab it too. Kinda far to walk in my opinion.

[VWGal]

Isn't the St. Charles streetcar line still not operating?

[ohio]

Thanks for all the information from this thread, we somehow still have mixed feelings about safety since this will be our first visit to NO and first fest (Woohoo). I just have a couple of questions, hopefully will get some answers.

We'll be staying on Canal street, will we need to cab from our hotel or safe enough to walk to:

1. Howling Wolf
2. Tiptina's uptown
3. Emeril's

Is the St. Charles streetcar pretty safe on the daytime?

Thanks for the help!

PS: Nice meeting all of you.
Emeril's is not too far a walk from canal. You may be too full to walk back though!

[ohio]

Isn't the St. Charles streetcar line still not operating?
Just to Lee Circle

[Jada]

It was running when I was there last month, but only to Lee Circle

[pokerchick66]

I take that back about walking to the Wolf...I forgot how far down they are...might want to cab it too. Kinda far to walk in my opinion.

Yes, cab it!

[joe]

must respectfully disagree, but unless you never walk anywhere
except very short distances (like from attached garage to tv room) walking from Canal St to Howling Wolf is really not an issue. You'll pass upscale hotels, nightlife regulars with extra Jazzfest crowds thrown in, and the remnants of the more industial past of the district. For example, giant propellers are still repaired in the neighborhood. Springhill Suites and Residence Inn Marriotts are very close by. Total distance is, I think, a bit less than crossing the short side of the Quarter (Decatur to Rampart) and much less than the long side of Quarter (Canal to Esplanade). And I usually see way fewer creeps than crossing the Quarter late.
Figure that I've done this walk about 120 times over the past dozen years, and except for meeting one horribly overserved girl at Lucy's Retired Surfers, incident free. No sore feet either.


Tipitinas though is a very long walk, and you'd risk missing a set. Did do it a couple times, however, both up Magazine and St. Charles. Cabbed back. Felt great next day.

[sailing]

THANKS FOR THE NUMBER.504 522-9771 :D

[Jada]

must respectfully disagree, but unless you never walk anywhere
except very short distances (like from attached garage to tv room) walking from Canal St to Howling Wolf is really not an issue. You'll pass upscale hotels, nightlife regulars with extra Jazzfest crowds thrown in, and the remnants of the more industial past of the district. For example, giant propellers are still repaired in the neighborhood. Springhill Suites and Residence Inn Marriotts are very close by. Total distance is, I think, a bit less than crossing the short side of the Quarter (Decatur to Rampart) and much less than the long side of Quarter (Canal to Esplanade). And I usually see way fewer creeps than crossing the Quarter late.
Figure that I've done this walk about 120 times over the past dozen years, and except for meeting one horribly overserved girl at Lucy's Retired Surfers, incident free. No sore feet either.


Tipitinas though is a very long walk, and you'd risk missing a set. Did do it a couple times, however, both up Magazine and St. Charles. Cabbed back. Felt great next day.


Of course you may disagree :) It's all a matter of opinion. I walk a lot, but after walking to/from or at Fest all day and dancing my ass off at shows...I prefer the cab to most clubs that are more than 1/2 mile away. :)

[Amy Winette]

Wolf yes
Emerils yes
Tips uptown No - Too far to walk

St Charles Street car is a nice ride during the day. Cab is always safer at night.

I agree, no worries walking to Wolf or Emerils, but Tips is too far.

[Amy Winette]

must respectfully disagree, but unless you never walk anywhere
except very short distances (like from attached garage to tv room) walking from Canal St to Howling Wolf is really not an issue. You'll pass upscale hotels, nightlife regulars with extra Jazzfest crowds thrown in, and the remnants of the more industial past of the district. For example, giant propellers are still repaired in the neighborhood. Springhill Suites and Residence Inn Marriotts are very close by. Total distance is, I think, a bit less than crossing the short side of the Quarter (Decatur to Rampart) and much less than the long side of Quarter (Canal to Esplanade). And I usually see way fewer creeps than crossing the Quarter late.
Figure that I've done this walk about 120 times over the past dozen years, and except for meeting one horribly overserved girl at Lucy's Retired Surfers, incident free. No sore feet either.


Tipitinas though is a very long walk, and you'd risk missing a set. Did do it a couple times, however, both up Magazine and St. Charles. Cabbed back. Felt great next day.

We've walked TO the Wolf plenty, and cabbed back plenty when our feet were totally dead ;)

[Corona]

Yes, cab it!
oh man, it's far when you've been on your feet all night. Last Mardi Gras we walked back from Howling Wolf to Elysian Fields and up to Rampart before we could find a cab. It was HELL! Never again :(

[pokerchick66]

oh man, it's far when you've been on your feet all night. Last Mardi Gras we walked back from Howling Wolf to Elysian Fields and up to Rampart before we could find a cab. It was HELL! Never again :(

OMG! Your poor feet!

[Blitzzzzz]

oh man, it's far when you've been on your feet all night. Last Mardi Gras we walked back from Howling Wolf to Elysian Fields and up to Rampart before we could find a cab. It was HELL! Never again :(
Damn, that's a walk and a half!:cool:

[Bill/KC]

I'd cab it to all of your destinations, unless you're going to Emeril's before going to the Wolf (you can walk from there). We stayed at the Residence Inn in the same area a few years back and walked that stretch. When you're tired, it can seem like a looooooonnng way. The cab fare split between a few people is not that much.

[Corona]

Damn, that's a walk and a half!:cool:
It was a nightmare...we stopped at The John on Frenchmen St. and the bartender was so sweet he was going to get us a blanket and let us sleep there on a table until morning cuz we could NOT get a cab (this was the first MG after the Thing). Ohio was with us that night....I was seriously ready to take him up on the offer to sleep there but it was a bit seedy. We kept pushing on and finally got a cab...I get anxious about finding cabs now because of that but, it's been fine ever since.