View Full Version : Listening to new Paul Sanchez CD...
Baconwrapped
10-23-2009, 07:30 PM
.... for the first time right now, and it's astounding... a true landmark not just for him, but arguably for New Orleans music for the very personal portraits he paints of the city he loves so much, the way HE knows it. I could almost envision this being expanded into a full one-man live show (with guests, of course) filling out the stories, expanding the scope and showing sides to New Orleans life that are generally unknown to all except those, like Paul, who lived it.
chrisjoseph
10-23-2009, 07:44 PM
Steve, I couldn't agree more. Singing about his dad, his mom, his wife, his brothers, and his city......it's a really amazing work.
After listening to it in my car all week I finally brought it into the house and am downloading it on my iTunes as I type.
Great vignettes. I particularly like the Porkchop story and song ("Breaking My Back Up Front For You Baby").
i wanna be in NOLA
10-24-2009, 09:59 AM
We heard a couple cuts live last night at "Threadhead Friday" at Chickie Wah Wah. I can't wait to hear the rest of it. I think it's great that Paul hosts a regular gig every Friday and rotates THR artists through to highlight their music as well as his own. He and Alex were absolutely rockin' last night in a set that went closer to three hours than the scheduled two.
chrisjoseph
10-24-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm hoping someone taped it. That could be Volume 2 in the THR Live Series.
stynger
10-24-2009, 06:06 PM
I'm hoping someone taped it. That could be Volume 2 in the THR Live Series.
I've got to get one of you locals into recording.
I would love for Paul to do the whole record one night....even though I have yet to hear it except "Storyville".
Orleansnj
10-24-2009, 09:55 PM
I've got to get one of you locals into recording.
I would love for Paul to do the whole record one night....even though I have yet to hear it except "Storyville".
so - how do you record these shows? I am curious because the sound quality is outstanding.
I'm guessing that since you've been at it a while you have better than average equipment - but if one wanted to get started - where to begin?
Baconwrapped
10-25-2009, 02:07 AM
Chris, you gotta start having the artists either having digital recorders (Sony makes a very nice flash drive model for around $300) plugged into the soundboard or arrange for some Threadheads to do the job when available.
by the way, Michelle Shocked stated at the start of her show a very strongly worded anti-taping screed. She is vehemently against it, which is her prerogative and right, of course, but at the same time she's exactly the kind of artist whose renown could only be boosted by show trading....
by the way, Michelle Shocked stated at the start of her show a very strongly worded anti-taping screed. She is vehemently against it, which is her prerogative and right, of course, but at the same time she's exactly the kind of artist whose renown could only be boosted by show trading....Wasn't that how she was 'discovered' commercially? A bootleg in Europe that had such a buzz about it that she was offered a recording contract? Could be considered 'biting the hand...', no?
Baconwrapped
10-25-2009, 02:17 PM
Wasn't that how she was 'discovered' commercially? A bootleg in Europe that had such a buzz about it that she was offered a recording contract? Could be considered 'biting the hand...', no?
Good point, Ohio.... it was indeed an illicit cassette from a casual Kerrville session that got her the international attention in the first place. But despite that launching her career, she always maintained that she considered that initial release a violation of her art. So maybe that's exactly why she continues her stance against bootlegging.
stynger
10-25-2009, 06:04 PM
Good point, Ohio.... it was indeed an illicit cassette from a casual Kerrville session that got her the international attention in the first place. But despite that launching her career, she always maintained that she considered that initial release a violation of her art. So maybe that's exactly why she continues her stance against bootlegging.
Bootlegging is taking the artists music and selling it for your own profit. Even though I've bought my share of boots thru the years I can see why artists are against it.
Recording a live show and trading or freely spreading the music is of no harm and can help the artists. It is after all a live show for the public. Releasing studio tracks that the artists didn't release is another matter.
stynger
10-25-2009, 06:16 PM
so - how do you record these shows? I am curious because the sound quality is outstanding.
I'm guessing that since you've been at it a while you have better than average equipment - but if one wanted to get started - where to begin?
Unless I can plug into the soundboard I record them with my own mics usually on my person or set up somewhere. Been doing it for about 10 years. I've upgraded my equipment over the years.
A good place to get some recorders is here....
http://www.minidisco.com/
I have to confess I'm getting a lot of credit here for the Sanchez recording. However I didn't record the show. Eddie's Attic records all their shows and sells them with the artists blessing. They do it well as you can hear. That's one of reasons we wanted Paul to play Eddie's. So while I didn't record I will take credit for getting the show to the masses.
Baconwrapped
10-25-2009, 06:20 PM
Stynger -- what equipment are you using these days, or at least preferring? I've been using the Sony PCM-D50 with some decent results, even just with the built-in mics...
stynger
10-25-2009, 08:05 PM
Stynger -- what equipment are you using these days, or at least preferring? I've been using the Sony PCM-D50 with some decent results, even just with the built-in mics...
I've been using Sony MZ RH1 (HI MD) with Sound Professionals mics ( Cardiod and Binaural ) and a bass rolloff box for a few years now. I did just recently purchase a Tascam DR-07 at half price so I might be trying that out festgiving weekend.
Bootlegging is taking the artists music and selling it for your own profit. Even though I've bought my share of boots thru the years I can see why artists are against it.
Recording a live show and trading or freely spreading the music is of no harm and can help the artists. It is after all a live show for the public. Releasing studio tracks that the artists didn't release is another matter.I agree, but a lot of artists don't.
Good point, Ohio.... it was indeed an illicit cassette from a casual Kerrville session that got her the international attention in the first place. But despite that launching her career, she always maintained that she considered that initial release a violation of her art. So maybe that's exactly why she continues her stance against bootlegging.The list has been growing- many popular artists, from ABB to Steely Dan have banned torrent sharing of their live music.
List:
http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/DimeTOS:Not_Allowed_Artists_and_Bands
stynger
10-25-2009, 08:42 PM
I agree, but a lot of artists don't.
The list has been growing- many popular artists, from ABB to Steely Dan have banned torrent sharing of their live music.
List:
http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/DimeTOS:Not_Allowed_Artists_and_Bands
I wish more bands were like Pearl Jam, The Who and Peter Gabriel who release all their shows.
Baconwrapped
10-25-2009, 09:14 PM
I've been using Sony MZ RH1 (HI MD) with Sound Professionals mics ( Cardiod and Binaural ) and a bass rolloff box for a few years now. I did just recently purchase a Tascam DR-07 at half price so I might be trying that out festgiving weekend.
Before I got the flash drive unit I had been using a Sony MZ-M10 (also HI MD) with just the mics that came with it. Got some pretty good results, mostly recording Eastern Orthodox church services in Eastern Europe (a little obsession of mine in recent years). I liked it for the smallness (very easy to keep in a pocket), but did not like the controls interface and, most importantly, was limited on the back end because it was not Mac friendly. No way to transfer the files directly to my hard drive and had to just do it via playback, essentially going a step of analog. The PCM-D50 is a bit bulkier and therefore much harder to keep discreet while recording, but the controls are much easier to use, the built-in mics are quite good and the software is fully Mac compatible, so tranfering/editing/etc is a snap.
I incorporated some things I recorded in India this past January into two of my Around the World columns:
http://www.spinner.com/2009/02/04/flash-drive-memories-an-audio-india-journal?icid=sphere_wpcom_inline
and
http://www.spinner.com/2009/01/27/sliding-through-bangalore-with-prakash-sontakke/
Those are MP3 samples, but they give a pretty decent idea of what I was able to get in some "field recording" situations...
Baconwrapped
10-25-2009, 09:25 PM
I should stress that I am by no means a pro or even an experienced amateur at this stuff.... I just make some recordings on the fly, most of the time trying not to be noticed, and they are solely for my own use.... started because in our travels we'd become fascinated with the Eastern Orthodox services. Bought a lot of CDs, but none of them really had much of what we were hearing, especially in small neighborhood or village churches. So realized that if I wanted to have recordings of that stuff I needed to make them myself.... which I have now done in Bulgaria, Serbia and Montenegro, plus the things I recorded in India this year...
Orleansnj
10-25-2009, 10:07 PM
Unless I can plug into the soundboard I record them with my own mics usually on my person or set up somewhere. Been doing it for about 10 years. I've upgraded my equipment over the years.
A good place to get some recorders is here....
http://www.minidisco.com/
I have to confess I'm getting a lot of credit here for the Sanchez recording. However I didn't record the show. Eddie's Attic records all their shows and sells them with the artists blessing. They do it well as you can hear. That's one of reasons we wanted Paul to play Eddie's. So while I didn't record I will take credit for getting the show to the masses.
It's all good - and thanks for the link.
I think you may not have done the technical recording but I will agree that without your efforts the recording never would have happened.....
And thanks for your links too Steve !
stynger
10-25-2009, 10:40 PM
Before I got the flash drive unit I had been using a Sony MZ-M10 (also HI MD) with just the mics that came with it. Got some pretty good results, mostly recording Eastern Orthodox church services in Eastern Europe (a little obsession of mine in recent years). I liked it for the smallness (very easy to keep in a pocket), but did not like the controls interface and, most importantly, was limited on the back end because it was not Mac friendly. No way to transfer the files directly to my hard drive and had to just do it via playback, essentially going a step of analog. The PCM-D50 is a bit bulkier and therefore much harder to keep discreet while recording, but the controls are much easier to use, the built-in mics are quite good and the software is fully Mac compatible, so tranfering/editing/etc is a snap.
I incorporated some things I recorded in India this past January into two of my Around the World columns:
http://www.spinner.com/2009/02/04/flash-drive-memories-an-audio-india-journal?icid=sphere_wpcom_inline
and
http://www.spinner.com/2009/01/27/sliding-through-bangalore-with-prakash-sontakke/
Those are MP3 samples, but they give a pretty decent idea of what I was able to get in some "field recording" situations...
Really interesting stuff. I like hearing the sounds of the city. When I went to London a few years ago I recorded quite a bit of the marketplace we visited. I also did a bit of walking around jazz fest.
stynger
10-25-2009, 10:41 PM
It's all good - and thanks for the link.
I think you may not have done the technical recording but I will agree that without your efforts the recording never would have happened.....
And thanks for your links too Steve !
Thanks Michele.
Baconwrapped
10-26-2009, 01:51 AM
Really interesting stuff. I like hearing the sounds of the city. When I went to London a few years ago I recorded quite a bit of the marketplace we visited. I also did a bit of walking around jazz fest.
Thanks Stynger! I also like those audio documentary kind of things. Producer Tchad Blake released a CD of that sort of stuff, music and street sounds and all, that he recorded with a binaural rig on a trip to Zimbabwe a few years ago. Really worth hearing.
http://www.womadshop.com/detail/1
I tried doing more of that in India, such as riding around the city of Pune in an autorickshaw, but the noise of wind and all the motors was just too much. Also a couple years ago tried in Egypt to capture the amazing sound of being up at the fort on a hill looking over the city as the mid-day prayer calls were coming from mosques all around us, but again the wind was too much. My orthodox services recordings all have fair amounts of ambience, people shuffling around, the priests rattling the incense burners, dogs barking, babies crying, all of which are really part of the experience! I've appropriated the term Robert Fripp used to use for his production techniques: Audio verite.... which really means in my case, "excuse all the noisy stuff."
stynger
10-26-2009, 08:11 PM
Thanks Stynger! I also like those audio documentary kind of things. Producer Tchad Blake released a CD of that sort of stuff, music and street sounds and all, that he recorded with a binaural rig on a trip to Zimbabwe a few years ago. Really worth hearing.
http://www.womadshop.com/detail/1
I tried doing more of that in India, such as riding around the city of Pune in an autorickshaw, but the noise of wind and all the motors was just too much. Also a couple years ago tried in Egypt to capture the amazing sound of being up at the fort on a hill looking over the city as the mid-day prayer calls were coming from mosques all around us, but again the wind was too much. My orthodox services recordings all have fair amounts of ambience, people shuffling around, the priests rattling the incense burners, dogs barking, babies crying, all of which are really part of the experience! I've appropriated the term Robert Fripp used to use for his production techniques: Audio verite.... which really means in my case, "excuse all the noisy stuff."
The wind has ruined some otherwise fantastic recording. Fats' last jazz fest apperance comes to mind.