What Pro Sports Team Do You Dislike The Most?

[jonnygospeltent]

I'll have to pick The Packers.

[Lit]

Right now, I'd have to say the answer is the same as my favorite pro sports team: the Mets. They are so bad that I want to blow them up and start all over again.

[sharon_loves_fats]

The 1986-87 Denver Broncos

[eZe]

Eagles!!!!

[ABITAGIRL1]

EAGLES here too!
(followed closely by the Cowboys)

[Baconwrapped]

I live in the shadow of pure evil: i.e. the Dodgers.

[festbabe]

I don't hate the Cowboys, per se, but I do take enjoyment in the failures and embarrassments of Jerry Jones. Personally, I'm glad the City of Dallas didn't roll over for Mr. Jones and he built his temple elsewhere.

[CEfromLA]

I used to live in the shadow of pure evil until they went back to Oakland; Al Davis and the Raiders.

Coming in a close second, the Rams.

I hate teams that cut and run....

[Orleansnj]

the Falcons......

I don't think that needs an explanation.

[rosetree]

Red Sox

Sorry Dan, Kitty, Malo, and the whole Red Sox Nation.
Falcons are a close second!:D

[Orleansnj]

Red Sox

Sorry Dan, Kitty, and the whole Red Sox Nation.
Falcons are a close second!:D

ahem....

you've just moved one space down on the 'list'.

[tangledupinblue]

PATS and The Red Sox....down with New England. Cowboys suck too.

I wouldn't mind smacking Pedro a bit but I don't mind the Phillies at all.

[ibjamn]

Falcons! (sorry Mark, Michelle & Neen)

[rosetree]

ahem....

you've just moved one space down on the 'list'.

Oh crap!!! I knew that I shouldn't have confessed here! ;)
Born and bred Yankee fan...sorry!

[Orleansnj]

Oh crap!!! I knew that I shouldn't have confessed here! ;)
Born and bred Yankee fan...sorry!

ppppfffffftttttt.... HA HA !!!

[ohio]

Steelers.

[mightyradgumbo]

Oh crap!!! I knew that I shouldn't have confessed here! ;)
Born and bred Yankee fan...sorry!

No apologies needed, Rosie as I am going to return the favor and say that it is the Yankees...for baseball, the Lakers for basketball, the Canadians for hockey and the Dolphins for Football.

[mightyradgumbo]

I wouldn't mind smacking Pedro a bit but I don't mind the Phillies at all.

The gerbil brought it on himself :p :p

[swag]

Cowboys for me too.

[BigDag]

That's a tough question, since I'm such a bitter person. I guess I'll go with the Red Sox. But the Mets & Jets suck too. And I don't like the Broncos and Habs either. Or the Pats.

[Amy Winette]

Hmmm . . . Probably the Cowboys . . .

[mightyradgumbo]

That's a tough question, since I'm such a bitter person. I guess I'll go with the Red Sox. But the Mets & Jets suck too. And I don't like the Broncos and Habs either. Or the Pats.

Interesting Dag. Bruins fan but dislike 2/3 of the rest of the local teams, although then again you ain't from dere lol

[johnb]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the dreaded Yankees.That's my pick for the one I dislike the most.The Lakers are a close 2nd.

[festivalgirl]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the dreaded Yankees.That's my pick for the one I dislike the most.The Lakers are a close 2nd.

oh, just wait for zkitty .... she'll start the hating. ;)

she'll be wrong, of course :p

[mightyradgumbo]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the dreaded Yankees.That's my pick for the one I dislike the most.The Lakers are a close 2nd.

I did in my post. I also have the Lakers. Are you from Boston originally?

[MaloGator]

Red Sox

Sorry Dan, Kitty, Malo, and the whole Red Sox Nation.
Falcons are a close second!:D

ahem....

you've just moved one space down on the 'list'.

Rosie just moved up on my "other" list...;)

The Yankees. The Canadiens. The Eagles and Colts. And now the Jets. C,mon...there's plenty of animosity for ALL our rivals!

[Belle]

Another one for the Cowboys...

[Moon]

Baseball- The Dodgers
Football- The Cowboys
Hockey-The Red Wings

I don't follow the NBA but I would buy season tickets to all the teams mentioned above if it mean't the Florida Gators would never win another game.

[Frosty]

Yankees, Cowboys and Lakers. I hate teams that just buy championships.

Kudos to the low payroll teams that win year in and year out like the Steelers and the Spurs.

[BigDag]

Baseball- The Dodgers
Football- The Cowboys
Hockey-The Red Wings

I don't follow the NBA but I would buy season tickets to all the teams mentioned above if it mean't the Florida Gators would never win another game.

I agree.

We'd probably get more vitriol with a "college team you hate most" thread.

[ciscokid]

ahem....

you've just moved one space down on the 'list'.

its ok rosie ya moved 2 spaces up on mine

[rosetree]

its ok rosie ya moved 2 spaces up on mine

Whew, finally hearing from the NYC contingent ;) :D

[NOLA]

Red Sox and Mets (though I do take special delight in the Cubs' woes)
Cowboys, Steelers, Falcons
Celtics, Lakers, Mavericks

bonus college category
Buckeyes, Trojans, Irish

These are just the worst offenders; ZKitty says I hate every team that isn't "my" team....and there might be something to that.

[Lit]

Red Sox and Mets (though I do take special delight in the Cubs' woes)
Cowboys, Steelers, Falcons
Celtics, Lakers, Mavericks

bonus college category
Buckeyes, Trojans, Irish

These are just the worst offenders; ZKitty says I hate every team that isn't "my" team....and there might be something to that.

Hey NOLA, I'm taking my girls to see the Mets play the 'Stros for the final series of the season (a/k/a "The Race to the Bottom"). They've been asking me to take them to the new stadium and a friend just offered me some free tickets, so the price is right. Want me to pick you up any souvenirs?

[Moon]

I understand regional rivalry well enough, but can't figure out why all the locals hate the Falcons. 40+ years and not even 1 back to back winning season shouldn't be enough to inspire fear and loathing. BTW, I love the Saints. The game on Nov.2 should be a humdinger.

[NOLA]

Hey NOLA, I'm taking my girls to see the Mets play the 'Stros for the final series of the season (a/k/a "The Race to the Bottom"). They've been asking me to take them to the new stadium and a friend just offered me some free tickets, so the price is right. Want me to pick you up any souvenirs?

I must admit it is harder to hate the Mets in their current sorry state. Of course it also harder for me to love the Astros in THEIR sorry condition. At least we fired Cooper yesterday. There just isn't any excuse for going from one game back at July 22 to 16.5 games back 2 months later.

All I have to do to rekindle my intense dislike of the Mets is to think back to the '86 NLCS....:mad:

I think I'll pass on the souvenir offer, but thanks. :p

[Lit]

I must admit it is harder to hate the Mets in their current sorry state. Of course it also harder for me to love the Astros in THEIR sorry condition. At least we fired Cooper yesterday. There just isn't any excuse for going from one game back at July 22 to 16.5 games back 2 months later.

All I have to do to rekindle my intense dislike of the Mets is to think back to the '86 NLCS....:mad:

I think I'll pass on the souvenir offer, but thanks. :p

So I guess a ball signed by Orosco and Dykstra is out then?

[djgriff]

Yankees, hands down. This answer covers all sports.

[Phatpapa]

The Cowgirls first and the Red Wings a close second

[stlbarb]

the designated hitter is just plain wrong.

[NOLA]

So I guess a ball signed by Orosco and Dykstra is out then?

Depends on how much I could get for it on eBay....

[Jim]

the designated hitter is just plain wrong.

Amen!

[ciscokid]

So I guess a ball signed by Orosco and Dykstra is out then?

with all of lenny's financial problems that ball could be a fake.....

[Frosty]

Depends on how much I could get for it on eBay....

More than he'll get for his World Series ring.

[Frosty]

the designated hitter is just plain wrong.

No kidding. How many more losses would the Cubs have without Zambrano's hitting?

[NOLA]

More than he'll get for his World Series ring.

I thought I read that he pawned it - he won't even get the $$ from the auction!

[Frosty]

I thought I read that he pawned it - he won't even get the $$ from the auction!

Yup.

[Lit]

with all of lenny's financial problems that ball could be a fake.....

I don't know if such a ball even exists; I was just trying to stoke NOLA's anger over the 1986 playoffs by mentioning the two Mets most responsible for ultimately securing the win in that legendary 16-inning game six.

[radi8tors]

Though I enjoy visiting these cities, and have friends in all of them, I despise their teams

Dullass Cowpies
Filthydelphia Feebles
Knee Jerk Yankmee's

[stlbarb]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the dreaded Yankees.That's my pick for the one I dislike the most.The Lakers are a close 2nd.

yankees are part of the minor, i mean american league.
and they think they are THE team - so they are despised the most.

[Orleansnj]

hey girl - what's up? Nice to see you surfin' on over here.

[stlbarb]

hey girl - what's up? Nice to see you surfin' on over here.

between work, baseball & drinking - i've been busy.

[BigDag]

the designated hitter is just plain wrong.

Pitchers hitting? Didn't they do that in the 50's?

Baseball's broken beyond repair, but the National League is a particular snorefest.

[Cleophus]

I focus my hatred with laser-like intensity on the D*dgers.

Chavez Latrine -- never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

[innertube]

"the designated hitter is just plain wrong"

i feel the other way......oh its the 7th or 8th hitter...oh and the pitcher is next..........so in baseball it's the National League...

football............the Cowboys.......been that way with me forever..

[mrSteve]

1. cubs
2. packers

[McGregor]

1) Patriots
2) Yankees
3) Mets
4) Patriots

J
E
T
S
JETSJETSJETS!

[innertube]

and for the real sports fans.......please watch this......and please read the info.....

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=912TupM9yA0

"Below is a little write-up from the Ziesel family for those of you not familiar with Matt: Matt is a special athlete who has Down Syndrome."

[NOLA]

I don't know if such a ball even exists; I was just trying to stoke NOLA's anger over the 1986 playoffs by mentioning the two Mets most responsible for ultimately securing the win in that legendary 16-inning game six.

Nice try, but the player most responsible for securing the Mets' win in the legendary 16- inning Game 6 was Astros pitcher Bob Fucking Knepper, who should never have let the game get to extra innings.

[jerseygirl67]

Nice try, but the player most responsible for securing the Mets' win in the legendary 16- inning Game 6 was Astros pitcher Bob Fucking Knepper, who should never have let the game get to extra innings.

Now, see that was a wonderful year....the Mets and the Giants! The only way it could have been more perfect was if the Rangers also won.

Alas...DESPISE, LOATHE ABSOLUTELY cannot stand the Cowboys.

Other than that, any Philly team. Oh, and I was so happy when Arizona beat the Yankees......
And, for hockey, again, Philly, islanders, but mostly DESPISE Devils!
"I root for two teams, the Rangers and anyone playing the Devils."

[mightyradgumbo]

the designated hitter is just plain wrong.

So is having a player consistently batting ninth that forgot how to bat.

[stlbarb]

So is having a player consistently batting ninth that forgot how to bat.

sometimes our pitcher bats 8th. Tony is a mad man/genius/vegatarian.

sometimes pitchers get the game winning rbi.
there have been many great hitting pitchers over the last century.

the strategy of when to bat for a pitcher gives another dimension to the game. or we could turn it into football and play a different offensive & defensive team.

[Baconwrapped]

The DH is an abomination against nature. Interleague play is close behind.

[Baconwrapped]

AL managers don't have to do much of anything... never have to decide whether to hit for a pitcher, have a pitcher bunt, etc... all players should have to participate in the offense and defense. Ditto for football. these divided squads are lame. I though football players were supposed to be tough.

[Moon]

So is having a player consistently batting ninth that forgot how to bat.

I can remember a particularly pitiful Braves squad in the 70's who's leading hitter was Phil Niekro. Knucksie was hitting around .229 which was good enough to lead the team for about two weeks. I sure don't miss that team.

[Delta]

The DH is an abomination against nature. Interleague play is close behind.

Amen.

[mangoon]

Bill Belicheck hence the Pats ( I do like the Sox though ) ( LETS GO JETS )
Da Yankees

[NOLA]

The DH is an abomination against nature. Interleague play is close behind.

Add having the All-Star game determine home field in the World Series, and you have the trifecta of baseball stupidity. And yet somehow I still love the game!

[Frosty]

So is having a player consistently batting ninth that forgot how to bat.

So, the Cubs have that problem at 1,2,5,6,7,8 as well. Get a better hitter at that spot then.

What next, designated free throw shooters?

[ciscokid]

1) Patriots
2) Yankees
3) Mets
4) Patriots

J ust
E nd
The
Season
JETSJETSJETS!

sry

[ScoopJohnD]

Baseball:Red Sox, Mets, Dodgers, Angels
Football:Cowboys, Packers, Patriots,Eagles
Basketball:Lakers
Hockey:Flyers, Toronto, Rangers

[Zydekitten]

Ohhhhh . . . where to begin. Hmmmm, let's see, could it be . . .

SATAN??????????

And by that, I mean the Evil Empire - the New York Yankees. I think Stewie says it best:

http://www.yankeessuckonline.com/funny_farm/yankees-suck3.jpg

Other teams I quite dislike are (ranked in descending order of dislike, from left to right):

Baseball - L.A. Dodgers, Tampa Bay Rays, Florida Marlins, Angels
Basketball - L.A. Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio Spurs
Football - Dallas Cowboys, St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins,
College - U.S.C., Cal, Florida, Alabama, Yale

[jonnygospeltent]

Ohhhhh . . . where to begin. Hmmmm, let's see, could it be . . .

SATAN??????????

And by that, I mean the Evil Empire - the New York Yankees. I think Stewie says it best:

http://www.yankeessuckonline.com/funny_farm/yankees-suck3.jpg

Other teams I quite dislike are (ranked in order of like):

Baseball - L.A. Dodgers, Tampa Bay Rays, Florida Marlins, Angels
Basketball - L.A. Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio Spurs
Football - Dallas Cowboys, St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins,
College - U.S.C., Cal, Florida, Alabama, Yale

Why would you have Yale on your list?Just because a former president matriculated from there?

[Zydekitten]

Why would you have Yale on your list?Just because a former president matriculated from there?
Nope, because my grandfather and uncle matriculated from Harvard - the Dubya connection is just a lagniappe. ;)

[Frosty]

If we are on colleges:

Kentucky - Corrupt upon corrupt basketball program for years.

Runner's up:

Anywhere Bob Huggins or Jim Calipari are coaching as they both leave a legacy of cheating that would make Snoop Dogg blush

Oh, and on the topic of Snoop Dogg, USC. They play the Rose Bowl on their home field EVERY YEAR and have Snoop Dogg hanging out at their practices. Nothng like having a porn producer as a booster.

[rosetree]

It took you long enough Kitty!!!

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[Zydekitten]

It took you long enough Kitty!!!

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q98/rosetreeglass/lalala.gif
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o67/Zydekitten/Kittehs/harper_tongue-786925-1.jpg

[stlbarb]

Ohhhhh . . . where to begin. Hmmmm, let's see, could it be . . .

SATAN??????????

And by that, I mean the Evil Empire - the New York Yankees. I think Stewie says it best:

http://www.yankeessuckonline.com/funny_farm/yankees-suck3.jpg

Other teams I quite dislike are (ranked in descending order of dislike, from left to right):

Baseball - L.A. Dodgers, Tampa Bay Rays, Florida Marlins, Angels
Basketball - L.A. Lakers, Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio Spurs
Football - Dallas Cowboys, St. Louis Rams, Miami Dolphins,
College - U.S.C., Cal, Florida, Alabama, Yale

thanks, i was starting to get a complex that no one hated any of our teams.

right now, the rams are pretty hated in many stl households.

[Delta]

St Louis has teams?

[stlbarb]

St Louis has teams?

teams of Clydesdales - they pull the beer wagons.

we are a drinking town with a baseball problem.

[Michelino]

Football: The Cowboys, Redskins, Vikings
Basketball: Lakers
Baseball: The Entire National League. (Man do I love me some All-star action these last few Julys.) Coldest Regards of all go to the Cards and Dodgers of course.
Hockey: Flyers along with every other team.

[stlbarb]

Football: The Cowboys, Redskins, Vikings
Basketball: Lakers
Baseball: The Entire National League. (Man do I love me some All-star action these last few Julys.) Coldest Regards of all go to the Cards and Dodgers of course.
Hockey: Flyers along with every other team.

so you pick AL over NL, FQF over JF....

HJ over BJ?

;) :D

[Michelino]

so you pick AL over NL, FQF over JF....

HJ over BJ?

;) :D

Whooah..there...I love FQF but JazzFest Rules!!..

Almost forgot.

College: ACC , Texas, that big bastard blue, every team from Florida and, bonus, any team that has ever let Bobby Knight coach for them.

[mightyradgumbo]

Add having the All-Star game determine home field in the World Series, and you have the trifecta of baseball stupidity. And yet somehow I still love the game!

Et tu, Nola...you NL sentimentilists crack me up.

A) the AL used to have pitchers bat and there WERE some good pitchers that could hit back then for both leagues...Bob Gibson comes to mind. Of course there are some good hitting pitchers and every once in a while some of them get a game winning rbi-law of averages says that. The argument of when to pinch-hit can be made for just about any position as the mastery of both the offense and defense is something that not all utility players master well.
B) Interleague play just takes the guessing out of what we will see in the WS. The dynamic to the world series was two teams that never saw each other, so I suppose that may diminish the game from a viewing perspective.
C) Frankly, Frank, I am all for the abolishment of all-star games period. It interrupts seasons, it has minimal entertainment value, and it leads to a possibility of injury for a major player on a team.

[Zydekitten]

thanks, i was starting to get a complex that no one hated any of our teams.

right now, the rams are pretty hated in many stl households.
Well, that's mostly a carryover from the Niners-Rams rivalry when they were in L.A. . . . truth be told, it's more of a tradition than any hateration for St. Louis (which is a town I like).

[rosetree]

so you pick AL over NL, FQF over JF....

HJ over BJ?

;) :D

Barb, you are a freakin' nut!!!!!
(that's why we love you!):D

[stlbarb]

Et tu, Nola...you NL sentimentilists crack me up.

A) the AL used to have pitchers bat and there WERE some good pitchers that could hit back then for both leagues...Bob Gibson comes to mind. Of course there are some good hitting pitchers and every once in a while some of them get a game winning rbi-law of averages says that. The argument of when to pinch-hit can be made for just about any position as the mastery of both the offense and defense is something that not all utility players master well.
B) Interleague play just takes the guessing out of what we will see in the WS. The dynamic to the world series was two teams that never saw each other, so I suppose that may diminish the game from a viewing perspective.
C) Frankly, Frank, I am all for the abolishment of all-star games period. It interrupts seasons, it has minimal entertainment value, and it leads to a possibility of injury for a major player on a team.

you're pretty wise for a Sox fan.

[Michelino]

Et tu, Nola...you NL sentimentilists crack me up.

A) the AL used to have pitchers bat and there WERE some good pitchers that could hit back then for both leagues...Bob Gibson comes to mind. Of course there are some good hitting pitchers and every once in a while some of them get a game winning rbi-law of averages says that. The argument of when to pinch-hit can be made for just about any position as the mastery of both the offense and defense is something that not all utility players master well.
B) Interleague play just takes the guessing out of what we will see in the WS. The dynamic to the world series was two teams that never saw each other, so I suppose that may diminish the game from a viewing perspective.
C) Frankly, Frank, I am all for the abolishment of all-star games period. It interrupts seasons, it has minimal entertainment value, and it leads to a possibility of injury for a major player on a team.

Leave the damn All-star game alone. Back before 32 teams from each league made the playoffs, I mean, back when winning the regular season actually meant something, the All Star game was the second biggest day in sports. We've had about a ten year blip where some people lost a sense of that tradition, but putting home field advantage at risk has made the game matter again. And one of the best reasons to like the All-star game is because the squawking jocksniffing sport media hates it. They get confused between Football (Pro-bowl has always sucked) and Baseball (some of the greatest moments have come during this game).

Don't get me going....This idea that the team with the eighth best record in baseball can still win the World Series is ridiculous. Why even play the season?

[stlbarb]

Leave the damn All-star game alone. Back before 32 teams from each league made the playoffs, I mean, back when winning the regular season actually meant something, the All Star game was the second biggest day in sports. We've had about a ten year blip where some people lost a sense of that tradition, but putting home field advantage at risk has made the game matter again. And one of the best reasons to like the All-star game is because the squawking jocksniffing sport media hates it. They get confused between Football (Pro-bowl has always sucked) and Baseball (some of the greatest moments have come during this game).

Don't get me going....This idea that the team with the eighth best record in baseball can still win the World Series is ridiculous. Why even play the season?

so the owners/league can make lots of money. and the more playoff games, the more money they make. :rolleyes:

its not as bad as hockey, where a team has to really work at NOT making the playoffs.

[Freakwinox]

Red Sox, Viqueens, Red Sox, Cowboys, Red Sox, NY Rangers, Red Sox

[tabasco]

Rangers....Patriots...Yankees

[ohio]

so you pick AL over NL, FQF over JF....

HJ over BJ?

;) :D
hah!

[mightyradgumbo]

so the owners/league can make lots of money. and the more playoff games, the more money they make. :rolleyes:

its not as bad as hockey, where a team has to really work at NOT making the playoffs.

You mean hockey is the only sport you have to work at. It is the only contact sport left in American pro sports.

[mightyradgumbo]

Leave the damn All-star game alone. Back before 32 teams from each league made the playoffs, I mean, back when winning the regular season actually meant something, the All Star game was the second biggest day in sports. We've had about a ten year blip where some people lost a sense of that tradition, but putting home field advantage at risk has made the game matter again. And one of the best reasons to like the All-star game is because the squawking jocksniffing sport media hates it. They get confused between Football (Pro-bowl has always sucked) and Baseball (some of the greatest moments have come during this game).

Don't get me going....This idea that the team with the eighth best record in baseball can still win the World Series is ridiculous. Why even play the season?
I love the fact that the all-star game has determined home field-especially in '04 and '07. It was done so due to the decision by Selig to end a game that was tied the year before (Or should I say the night before as that is when the decision was conceived). The season is played to get one of those spots. If your theory is used then March Madness is useless as well, going from 8 teams to 64.

[stynger]

I focus my hatred with laser-like intensity on the D*dgers.

Chavez Latrine -- never will you find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Spoken like a true No Cal sports fan. Coming from LA I'd hate the Giants but they don't really matter. Now the Yankees are another story....

Yankees
Celtics
Cowboys

I don't like any of their attitudes.

[stynger]

Falcons! (sorry Mark, Michelle & Neen)

I understand. You have to hate them. I wish the Saints weren't in the same conferance as the Falcons.

[Michelino]

You mean hockey is the only sport you have to work at. It is the only contact sport left in American pro sports.

What about boxing? Or did those two sports finally merge.

[Michelino]

I love the fact that the all-star game has determined home field-especially in '04 and '07. It was done so due to the decision by Selig to end a game that was tied the year before (Or should I say the night before as that is when the decision was conceived). The season is played to get one of those spots. If your theory is used then March Madness is useless as well, going from 8 teams to 64.

Now that you mention it, ever since they let more than one team from a conference into the tournament, it hasn't quite been the same.

Perhaps next year the entire ACC could lose in the first round...now that I would take the day off to watch. Especially those traitorous Eagles.

[Frosty]

any team that has ever let Bobby Knight coach for them.

Ouch, so stressing academics over winning, paying back a significant portion of one's salary for those respective schools to build libraries and demanding absolute compliance with NCAA regulations is to be hated.

[MaloGator]

Ohhhhh . . . where to begin. Hmmmm, let's see, could it be . . .

SATAN??????????

And by that, I mean the Evil Empire - the New York Yankees. I think Stewie says it best:

http://www.yankeessuckonline.com/funny_farm/yankees-suck3.jpg


Thought it was worth repeating...:D

[Michelino]

Ouch, so stressing academics over winning, paying back a significant portion of one's salary for those respective schools to build libraries and demanding absolute compliance with NCAA regulations is to be hated.

Oh I think you can do all that without assaulting policemen, throwing chairs across the court, occasionally grabbing a player by the throat (and lying that it didn't take place), and basically trying to humiliate anyone who disagrees with your bullying tactics. And then there was, of course, this memorable quote "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it." Some role model that guy is. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/big12/2006-11-14-knight-timeline_x.htm)

[Frosty]

Oh I think you can do all that without assaulting policemen, throwing chairs across the court, occasionally grabbing a player by the throat (and lying that it didn't take place), and basically trying to humiliate anyone who disagrees with your bullying tactics. And then there was, of course, this memorable quote "I think that if rape is inevitable, relax and enjoy it." Some role model that guy is. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/big12/2006-11-14-knight-timeline_x.htm)

And his poor players never had near the amenities of Wildcat Lodge or the hookers John Calipari arranged. How mistreated. No Escalades, no Snoop Dogg or Luther Campbell XXX rated parties. Plus, they were actually EXPECTED to attend class. If that isn't abuse, what is?

[t.o..fester]

I abhor the Yankees, loathe the Canadiens and Senators. Oh yah, and any NBA team, what a waste of time the NBA is.

[mangoon]

Wow how did I forget the Flyers?

[Michelino]

And his poor players never had near the amenities of Wildcat Lodge or the hookers John Calipari arranged. How mistreated. No Escalades, no Snoop Dogg or Luther Campbell XXX rated parties. Plus, they were actually EXPECTED to attend class. If that isn't abuse, what is?

Well Ok, maybe one Bobby's few positives is that he hasn't been caught pimping for his players. Not really that impressive, actually. And just because he shares a few expectations with virtually any Division III coach, doesn't excuse three and a half decades of thuggish behavior.

Maybe we should switch to politics? ;)

[Cleophus]

Coming from LA I'd hate the Giants but they don't really matter.

Ouch!!! The apathy hurts more than the hate, actually. :)


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[torontospur]

Arsenal football club,Its a London thing

[mightyradgumbo]

What about boxing? Or did those two sports finally merge.

Fighting has been a part of hockey for a long time despite the attempts to take it out. lol Boxing isn't what it used to be for me. Too much clutching and grabbing.

[NOLA]

Fighting has been a part of hockey for a long time despite the attempts to take it out. lol Boxing isn't what it used to be for me. Too much clutching and grabbing.

So hockey is what boxing used to be, and basketball is what boxing has become....

[Zydekitten]

Ouch!!! The apathy hurts more than the hate, actually. :)


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I LOVE it!!!

And they're ALL chowderheads (i.e., so-called "fans" - HA!) who show up late and leave early . . . and they wonder why the NFL left L.A.

The only way to get over my disgust when seeing games at Slobger Stadium in the years I lived in SoCal was the knowledge that I could get better viewing position in the later innings when all the "fans" left early.

[Cleophus]

I LOVE it!!!

The only thing missing from that graphic, is that Tommy Lasorda gets his own special circle of Hell.

[Orleansnj]

The only thing missing from that graphic, is that Tommy Lasorda gets his own special circle of Hell.

ROFLMAO - that's funny.

[UncleFester]

obviously many of the teams (yankees, red sox, cowboys, lakers) and people (bobby knight) are so polarizing- most loved and hated.
i'd say traditionally i have never liked the way the media sucks up to the red sox and how sox fans are huge whiners.
football- bears
nba- the clippers because they just shouldn't be allowed to get another lottery pick ever again. plus i agree with the previous poster who said the nba stinks. totally boring.

[mightyradgumbo]

obviously many of the teams (yankees, red sox, cowboys, lakers) and people (bobby knight) are so polarizing- most loved and hated.
i'd say traditionally i have never liked the way the media sucks up to the red sox and how sox fans are huge whiners.


Whiners about what????? And the media sucking up to the Sawks??? Take the PED list for example, two Red Sox players on the list and suddenly the list is newsworthy again. There are 100 guys on the list but they leak Manny and Papi, coincidence? I think not...it sold a lot of newspapers and garnered a lot of hits. Why? Because the Sox have the largest average fan bases in other cities. The curse was a media enhanced deal as well. So sell media sucking up to some other fan base. I want to know what the media (and the anti-Sawks brigade) will say when we win our third world series since '04 without Manny and with production from a "clean" Big Papi. Oh sorry am I whining?

[Zydekitten]

Whiners about what????? And the media sucking up to the Sawks??? Take the PED list for example, two Red Sox players on the list and suddenly the list is newsworthy again. There are 100 guys on the list but they leak Manny and Papi, coincidence? I think not...it sold a lot of newspapers and garnered a lot of hits. Why? Because the Sox have the largest average fan bases in other cities. The curse was a media enhanced deal as well. So sell media sucking up to some other fan base. I want to know what the media (and the anti-Sawks brigade) will say when we win our third world series since '04 without Manny and with production from a "clean" Big Papi. Oh sorry am I whining?
I with you on this, Gumbo!!!

[stlbarb]

Whiners about what????? And the media sucking up to the Sawks??? Take the PED list for example, two Red Sox players on the list and suddenly the list is newsworthy again. There are 100 guys on the list but they leak Manny and Papi, coincidence? I think not...it sold a lot of newspapers and garnered a lot of hits. Why? Because the Sox have the largest average fan bases in other cities. The curse was a media enhanced deal as well. So sell media sucking up to some other fan base. I want to know what the media (and the anti-Sawks brigade) will say when we win our third world series since '04 without Manny and with production from a "clean" Big Papi. Oh sorry am I whining?

geez, you east coasters got some 'tude.

the only substance Manny did was to enhance hair growth.
mcgwire's biceps were due to intensive weight training.
sosa did not have sex with that corked bat.

[stlbarb]

i just received this from a friend:

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u315/taboba/cubsuniform.jpg

[MaloGator]

geez, you east coasters got some 'tude.

the only substance Manny did was to enhance hair growth.
mcgwire's biceps were due to intensive weight training.
sosa did not have sex with that corked bat.

Aw, Barb, you're not still sore about '04...?;)

Most everyone was happy to see the Sox win in '04 after an 86 year drought. Did the Sox payout big $ to assemble the cast of characters to make it happen? Perhaps, but someone had to give the Yankmees a run for their money...literally. Sox fans do seem to be everywhere, but I guarantee none of those fans were buying tickets and hats when they sucked for all those years...

It doesn't matter what team it is, when someone is on top for a while, people want to see them fall and see someone else there. Remember how everyone thought it was great when an underdog team named the "Patriots" won the SB in '01, the year we suffered the tragedy of 9/11?

[stlbarb]

Aw, Barb, you're not still sore about '04...?;)

Most everyone was happy to see the Sox win in '04 after an 86 year drought. Did the Sox payout big $ to assemble the cast of characters to make it happen? Perhaps, but someone had to give the Yankmees a run for their money...literally. Sox fans do seem to be everywhere, but I guarantee none of those fans were buying tickets and hats when they sucked for all those years...

It doesn't matter what team it is, when someone is on top for a while, people want to see them fall and see someone else there. Remember how everyone thought it was great when an underdog team named the "Patriots" won the SB in '01, the year we suffered the tragedy of 9/11?

only about the sweep. ask the Sox fans that were at Busch, they were treated well.

i notice a lot of new Sox hats at JF '05, and cant recall seeing many in previous years.

i think when the Cubs finally win it all, it many destroy the fan base. Cub fans are use to rootin' for the underdog, they may get bored with being on top. i hope we find out in my lifetime - maybe next year.

[larrybalmur]

Indianapolis Dolts- stole our team from BAltimore, now they want to say
Manning is breaking Unitas records-NOT-different city

Yankees;Damn loathesome pennant buyers for 90 yrs-burn in hell

[Frosty]

So hockey is what boxing used to be, and basketball is what boxing has become....

And football is becoming what basketball used to be. Now you get a penalty for hitting the QB, even when he has the ball.

[Frosty]

Well Ok, maybe one Bobby's few positives is that he hasn't been caught pimping for his players. Not really that impressive, actually. And just because he shares a few expectations with virtually any Division III coach, doesn't excuse three and a half decades of thuggish behavior.

Maybe we should switch to politics? ;)

Division III is looked at with rose colored glasses. I played D3 basketball and the coach likely didn't know the library existed. The starters were his pet kids who had the HS stats although they weren't that good anymore. They were arrogant as Hell though and would walk in drunk at 3AM the night befor a game. Hence the 3-23 record my senior year. All of the best players had left the program by then.

On the note of the list of "trangressions". No doubt some went overboard but some of those listed are just plain silly. If he was so out of line calling out Ted Valentine, then why was Ted Valentine fired shortly after by the Big Ten? Most of those incidences you will find by far more jolly and liked coached. Rick Majerus anyone. Nobody has compiled a Rick Majerus but I have seen him do the same things. Yet, he's a good guy of the sport. Oh, and he's my other favorite coach. Plus, if you ever read the account of the incident with the Puerto Rican cop, you'll see who saved Coach K's ass in that situation.

[MaloGator]

only about the sweep. ask the Sox fans that were at Busch, they were treated well.

i notice a lot of new Sox hats at JF '05, and cant recall seeing many in previous years.

i think when the Cubs finally win it all, it many destroy the fan base. Cub fans are use to rootin' for the underdog, they may get bored with being on top. i hope we find out in my lifetime - maybe next year.

As a lifelong fan (and I know I'm not alone on this), I was annoyed by the explosion of the "pink hats"; the new fanbase the emerged during the '04 season, but grew exponentially when they won the World Series that year. Most find them rather obnoxious in that they wear all their gear (hats, shirts, flip-flops, thong...sorry Dan if you're wearing your thong right now) wherever they go, and are probably too vocal for most folk's liking. I can't say their success has destroyed the hometown fanbase, but I for one wouldn't mind a few losing seasons to weed out some of these blowhards and give me a chance to get a reasonably priced Sox/Yanks ticket.

[revjimk]

Right now, Dallas Cowboys are the enemy.
Pretty much anti-Lakers in hoops, although this is fairly new. As a native Noo Yawka, I'm traditionally against Bahston teams. I guess I'm mellowing with age; tho I rooted against the Red Sawx, I was actually happy to see them win after all those years (not against Rockies tho, only the first time.)
Likewise the Celtics. Life time Celtic hater from the Chamberlain/ Russell era, I disliked Koby & wanted veterans such as Pierce , Garnett & Allen to finally win, so I actually rooted for Celts against Lakers.
I'm down on Bobby Knight too, takes all the fun out of the game, but have to respect his coaching. Plus, amazingly good as a commentator.
I prefer college hoops, but the NBA players are so damn good, if you love hoops, gotta love the NBA
rev

[stlbarb]

i would like to amend my previous answer.

Colorado Rockies :o

[BigDag]

Collingwood Magpies.

(Sorry, it's Grand Final Day.)

[ozzie]

Collingwood Magpies.

(Sorry, it's Grand Final Day.)

Ha! Not that I'm a sore loser, but I just dropped in to vote for the Geelong Cats!

[Gards]

Ha! Not that I'm a sore loser, but I just dropped in to vote for the Geelong Cats!

I am a sore and sad loser but I must say even at this painfull moment, that I hate the Adelaide Crows more than anyone else.
Also I am no soccer fan but Manchester united are a pain in the arse.
And if Serana Williams was a team she would have to be on the top of my list

[Zydekitten]

As a lifelong fan (and I know I'm not alone on this), I was annoyed by the explosion of the "pink hats"; the new fanbase the emerged during the '04 season, but grew exponentially when they won the World Series that year. Most find them rather obnoxious in that they wear all their gear (hats, shirts, flip-flops, thong...sorry Dan if you're wearing your thong right now) wherever they go, and are probably too vocal for most folk's liking. I can't say their success has destroyed the hometown fanbase, but I for one wouldn't mind a few losing seasons to weed out some of these blowhards and give me a chance to get a reasonably priced Sox/Yanks ticket.
Good points, Dave and don't EVEN get me started on the whole "pink hats/chick gear" BS!!! :mad:

[rosetree]

Good points, Dave and don't EVEN get me started on the whole "pink hats/chick gear" BS!!! :mad:

It's the same thing with your hated Yankees, Kitty.
Yankee caps are BLUE, not red, yellow, or any other hip-hop variation
...now get off my lawn!;) :D

[Zydekitten]

It's the same thing with your hated Yankees, Kitty.
Yankee caps are BLUE, not red, yellow, or any other hip-hop variation
...now get off my lawn!;) :D
Yeah, you right, Rosy!!! It don't matter what team you root for - I find those STUPID pink/chick team items patronizing and ridiculous - if you're a fan of team, wear the damn team colors.

All we ladies really want is "real" team gear that is sized better for women, instead of huge men's sizes.

[sharon_loves_fats]

All we ladies really want is "real" team gear that is sized better for women, instead of huge men's sizes.

YES! It has gotten better, but still not good enough. They need to make petite sizes!!!!

[Gards]

YES! It has gotten better, but still not good enough. They need to make petite sizes!!!!

It should be a no brainer we have been doing it for years at lots of the events we have worked at.
I would imagine the too a degree the clubs are beholden to their Licencee/Relica Uniform Sponsor,from my experience that is where the problems eminate,some of the decision makers at Nike,Reebok,etc are well known for thinking that the sun shines out of their arse.

[Lit]

I'll have to pick The Packers.

So Jonny, do you dislike the Packers enough to root for Minnesota next week? Or would you rather for the Vikings, Packers and Bears all to be tied at 3-1 at the end of next week's games?

[stlbarb]

Yeah, you right, Rosy!!! It don't matter what team you root for - I find those STUPID pink/chick team items patronizing and ridiculous - if you're a fan of team, wear the damn team colors.

All we ladies really want is "real" team gear that is sized better for women, instead of huge men's sizes.

they make alot of women's style STL Cardinals shirts, jersey's & jackets - in traditional colors and pastels. and wearing red to a Cardinals game, when so many other teams wear Red isnt necessary. (come on houston - pick a color).

alyssa milano's stuff isnt too girlie.

besides, i thought redheads liked pink. ;-)

[stlbarb]

i would like to amend my previous answer.

Colorado Rockies :o

How much does it cost to buy an umpire?

[NOLA]

(come on houston - pick a color).



We like lots of different colors. Sometimes all at once...

http://www.astrosdaily.com/history/uniforms/index.html

[ciscokid]

besides, i thought redheads liked pink. ;-)

i for one am not touching that line :)

Rosie right on yankee hats should only come in blue

[Zydekitten]

besides, i thought redheads liked pink. ;-)
Not this one - I reject the mostly male assumption that ALL females like and want to be swathed in bubble gum (or even worse - Barbie) pink!!!

I'm a regular fan, just like the ones with a Y chromosome, and want to wear gear in the regular colors.

[Amy Winette]

I kind of like the pink :)

[Frosty]

Not this one - I reject the mostly male assumption that ALL females like and want to be swathed in bubble gum (or even worse - Barbie) pink!!!

I'm a regular fan, just like the ones with a Y chromosome, and want to wear gear in the regular colors.

On that note, what are regular team colors anymore. If anybody saw the Seahawks uniforms yesterday, they looked like they belonged on a Chicago Style hot dog, not on a football field.

[windowman]

Grew up hating the 49ers and never got over it. They cannot lose enough games. Not too fond of the Cowboys, in spite of the soap opera they have become. I also think if any team I rooted for changed its name to the "Mighty Ducks", I would have to find a new team.

[NOLA]

On that note, what are regular team colors anymore. If anybody saw the Seahawks uniforms yesterday, they looked like they belonged on a Chicago Style hot dog, not on a football field.

Those Seahawks uniforms yesterday make the Oregon Ducks' uniforms look good.

[djgriff]

Don't know if anyone else has said this, but I have to add Boise State home games to the list. Something about that blue field annoys the hell out of me.

[Frosty]

Those Seahawks uniforms yesterday make the Oregon Ducks' uniforms look good.

I'm thinking they help the opposing quarterback too.

[Lit]

Those Seahawks uniforms yesterday make the Oregon Ducks' uniforms look good.

I believe Astros fans have been barred from commenting on the attractiveness of other teams' uniforms since 1975.

[Frosty]

Don't know if anyone else has said this, but I have to add Boise State home games to the list. Something about that blue field annoys the hell out of me.


Which brings up a "worst stadiums" thread.

[NOLA]

I believe Astros fans have been barred from commenting on the attractiveness of other teams' uniforms since 1975.

As noted in the attachment to my earlier post, the rather hideous rainbow uniforms made their final appearance in Game 6 of the '86 NLCS....I guess the organization wanted to erase all memory of that awful event. But in any case, I think our commentary privileges were restored at that time.

[ScoopJohnD]

As a 49er fan, let me say that Brett Farve and the Minnesota Vikings can KISS MY M**^F*(&*%^ING ASS!!!!

[stlbarb]

On that note, what are regular team colors anymore. If anybody saw the Seahawks uniforms yesterday, they looked like they belonged on a Chicago Style hot dog, not on a football field.

for the baseball cardinals that is Red, Navy Blue, White, Grey, Black.
but i kind of like the dayglo greens & yellows for a change of pace.

some of the pale pinks are related to breast cancer awareness.

[ohio]

On that note, what are regular team colors anymore. If anybody saw the Seahawks uniforms yesterday, they looked like they belonged on a Chicago Style hot dog, not on a football field.
Gawd, no doubt! they looked like tree trimmers or street pavers...

[Delta]

Since this is a sports thread and I'm too tired to figure out where else to put it:

What's the difference between Ole Miss and Brett Farve?


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Brett Farve is still #4.

[swag]

Brett Farve is still #4.

:D

[Orleansnj]

Yeah, you right, Rosy!!! It don't matter what team you root for - I find those STUPID pink/chick team items patronizing and ridiculous - if you're a fan of team, wear the damn team colors.

All we ladies really want is "real" team gear that is sized better for women, instead of huge men's sizes.

DITTO !!!!!!!!!!!

[Zydekitten]

Those Seahawks uniforms yesterday make the Oregon Ducks' uniforms look good.
Hell, they made the Cleveland Browns uniforms (crap brown) look good! I think that's the main reason why they lost the game - they blinded themselves with the day-glo green . . . I mean I well-know it's often misty/foggy in Seattle (having spent a fair amount of time there), but DAYUM!!!

[sharon_loves_fats]

Hell, they made the Cleveland Browns uniforms (crap brown) look good!

HEY!! I LIKE brown! And yes, orange and brown DO go together!!!! (see this is what happens to you when you're born and raised in Cleveland :o)

[Zydekitten]

HEY!! I LIKE brown! And yes, orange and brown DO go together!!!! (see this is what happens to you when you're born and raised in Cleveland :o)
It's okay, darlin' - we can set you up with some gentle deprogramming and soon you'll be right as rain! ;) :D

P.S. - There's nothing intrinsically wrong with brown, but you gotta admit - those are probably the most plain, boring, uniforms in all of sports . . .

[Delta]

What exactly is a "Brown" anyway?

[swag]

Cleveland Brown is a character on Family Guy, who just got spun off onto his own show.

http://www.scritchandscratch.com/img/scratch/080623_clevelandBrown2.jpg

[sharon_loves_fats]

It's okay, darlin' - we can set you up with some gentle deprogramming and soon you'll be right as rain!

:D :D

P.S. - There's nothing intrinsically wrong with brown, but you gotta admit - those are probably the most plain, boring, uniforms in all of sports . . .

They might be plain but at least they are not hideous like the Dolphins!!!

[sharon_loves_fats]

Cleveland Brown is a character on Family Guy, who just got spun off onto his own show.


I went to high school with a kid named Cleveland Brown

[stlbarb]

Yeah, you right, Rosy!!! It don't matter what team you root for - I find those STUPID pink/chick team items patronizing and ridiculous - if you're a fan of team, wear the damn team colors.

All we ladies really want is "real" team gear that is sized better for women, instead of huge men's sizes.

yyr - plenty of pink, but since cardinals primary colors are red & white, prink isnt that far off base for us. but they have plenty of women's styled choices and women sized hats (although i have a big head and have to buy mens).
http://shop.mlb.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=1452902&cp=1452367&partnerId=ed-2977768-100528536&source=ed-2977768-100528536

2nd page before you get pink stuff here, and lots of choices in traditional colors. the saints colors rock. how about a tube top? ;-)
http://www.neworleanssaintsteamshop.com/Ladies-Apparel-p-1-c-252.html

[Moon]

Today the team I most love to see lose are the Colorado Rockies. The Braves are playing meaningful games at the end of September. Who would have thought...

[sitdancer]

yankees
cowboys
lakers (kind of love-hate: i liked the traditional lakers and their style, i just always hated shaq and especially kobe)

[barry10016]

Red Sox
Cowboys
don't give a crap about bball or hockey anymore. wonder why? ;)

[Lit]

don't give a crap about bball or hockey anymore. wonder why? ;)

All we need is one word to change our bball world though Barry:

LeBron!

Hey, a man can dream, can't he?

[barry10016]

All we need is one word to change our bball world though Barry:

LeBron!

Hey, a man can dream, can't he?

But of course. Thinking about it now, I think it's got to be at least 20 yrs since I cared what happened to the Knots and the, whats the name of our hockey team again?

[ohio]

What exactly is a "Brown" anyway?
A brownie, aka a fairy...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6QMrstBORyI/Spv945cY39I/AAAAAAAAAAM/8dwAqWL46Jk/s320/browns-mascot.jpg

[Zydekitten]

All we need is one word to change our bball world though Barry:

LeBron!

Hey, a man can dream, can't he?
Dream on, Dreamweaver . . . . ;)

[stlbarb]

Red Sox
Cowboys
don't give a crap about bball or hockey anymore. wonder why? ;)

here's a sport you might take to:
http://wftda.com/leagues

in stl, the tickets are cheap and so are the drinks.

[Moon]

Rollergirls rock.

I have a new team I hate; The Milwaukee Brewers.

[mightyradgumbo]

Not this one - I reject the mostly male assumption that ALL females like and want to be swathed in bubble gum (or even worse - Barbie) pink!!!

I'm a regular fan, just like the ones with a Y chromosome, and want to wear gear in the regular colors.

Alyssa Milano is one of the main culprit of the "feminine" colors coming into the game, her and MLB Marketing departments. Just for the record, I know a lot of female fans that wear the pink Pats and Sawks hats. Ain't the color of the hat in my opinion, it is the passion for the game. Most of my friends of the opposite gender are very articulate about the teams, more than I can say for a lot of my male cohorts.

[Moon]

Also the Florida Marlins.

What an incredible month this has been for Braves fans. I thought the Labor Day weekend nosedive was all she wrote for the boys. To play a meaningful ballgame on the last day of September was pretty special. And it was kind of them to bow out the night before hockey season started.

[ohio]

here's a sport you might take to:
http://wftda.com/leagues

in stl, the tickets are cheap and so are the drinks.
Here is a nice feature from ESPN, includes Miss Print of the Cincy Rollergirls:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3401989

[ciscokid]

here's a sport you might take to:
http://wftda.com/leagues

in stl, the tickets are cheap and so are the drinks.

try this one....

http://www.lflus.com/

talk about fantasy sports......

[barry10016]

try this one....

http://www.lflus.com/

talk about fantasy sports......

Oh baby! Now there's a sport I can get behind. ;D

[swag]

Okay, please add the Miami Dolphins to my list.

[Frosty]

Okay, please add the Miami Dolphins to my list.

I'll add the f***** Jets and the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Gee, everyone, were running Jones up the middle on the next play. Miami basically gave away their plays and the Jets couldn't figure it out. That final touchdown cost me my week in Fantasy football. 3rd and 2 and the snap to Jones. What were the Jets thinking, he was going to throw a fade?

[barry10016]

Okay, please add the Miami Dolphins to my list.

Thought it might be different this year, nope. Same 'ole Jets. :(

[Michelino]

New twist..I'm a Raider fan...Does that now mean I hate myself?

[stlbarb]

New twist..I'm a Raider fan...Does that now mean I hate myself?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10209752/Schein-9:-It's-ugly-and-crowded-at-bottom-of-NFL?GT1=39002

read '1. Foaming at the Mouth'. you deserve better

[ScoopJohnD]

New twist..I'm a Raider fan...Does that now mean I hate myself?

Here's an article about the latest monumental acheivement in recent Raiders history.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/raiders_achieve_first_down

[jonnygospeltent]

I think The Miami Heat may top the list today.

[Lit]

I think The Miami Heat may top the list today.

It's still the Yankees for me, but only because I care about and follow MLB much more than the Narcissistic Boys Association. Especially now that the Yanks are about to add Cliff Lee, as expected.

But yeah, the Heat have definitely moved toward the top of my bottom list.

[dank_bass]

The Heat move doesnt bother me ... the players are taking less than what they would elsewhere to make it happen within the rules of the game. Now as for the Yankees, there are no rules (no cap) and thats disturbing to me. The Steelers are at the top of my list followed by Yankees, Red Sox, then USC (dont tell me theyre not a pro team)

[McGregor]

It's still the Yankees for me Especially now that the Yanks are about to add Cliff Lee, as expected.


MLB needs some sort of salary cap. It's absurd and I don't guess we should blame the NYY, they are playing within the rules but I don't like it.

[jonnygospeltent]

The football union caved when the owners brought the scab players in, The NBA caved and allowed the cap when the owners threatened testing for marijuana,Baseball's union has remained strong and united so I don't forsee a salary cap coming.

[McGregor]

The football union caved when the owners brought the scab players in, The NBA caved and allowed the cap when the owners threatened testing for marijuana,Baseball's union has remained strong and united so I don't forsee a salary cap coming.

the baseball union remaining strong hasn't exactly been good for the game.

Everyone blames Selig for drug testing not coming into the game for so long but that's crap. The union wouldn't have allowed it and he knew it until the shit hit the fan 7-8 years ago with the steroid mess.

The the NFL is a better product because of the cap. I'd love to hear the argument against that.

[bennyboy]

The fucking cowboys. In fact I can't even say the Fucking Cowboys without putting fucking in front of Cowboys. I hate them all. From Rogert Staubach and Tom Landry to Bob Lilly, Chuck Howley, Bob Hayes and Hollywood Henderson.... I hate Jerry Jones, Troy (why the long face?) Aikman and Michael (Hookers and blow) Irvin. Nate Newton and Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith (I used to be okay with him till those Just for Men Commercials) and TO ( I just hate him overall though) to the big bunch of losers they have now like Tony (Keep it greasy) Romo and Wade Phillips...

[McGregor]

The fucking cowboys. In fact I can't even say the Fucking Cowboys without putting fucking in front of Cowboys. I hate them all. From Rogert Staubach and Tom Landry to Bob Lilly, Chuck Howley, Bob Hayes and Hollywood Henderson.... I hate Jerry Jones, Troy (why the long face?) Aikman and Michael (Hookers and blow) Irvin. Nate Newton and Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith (I used to be okay with him till those Just for Men Commercials) and TO ( I just hate him overall though) to the big bunch of losers they have now like Tony (Keep it greasy) Romo and Wade Phillips...

that's a quality rant right there!! Good work

[Lit]

The Heat move doesnt bother me ... the players are taking less than what they would elsewhere to make it happen within the rules of the game. Now as for the Yankees, there are no rules (no cap) and thats disturbing to me. The Steelers are at the top of my list followed by Yankees, Red Sox, then USC (dont tell me theyre not a pro team)

In terms salary alone, I don't think any of the three are leaving much on the table by making this move. Part of Riley's presentation included having the Florida income tax implications explained so that they realize the extent to which they get to keep more of what they make by being Florida residents. That is a fact. I know plenty of Connecticut people who changed their residences to Florida for precisely that reason once we instituted a state income tax here. As for the extra year Cleveland could have offered him--well, that was for an extra year. Now he is signing for five instead of six, and he'll be able to sell that sixth year (and beyond) for whatever the market will bear at that time. So, in terms of annual income, I really don't think any of the three of them is taking much of a realized hit, if any. Yes, there is something to be said for the guarantee of income for that sixth year in the event that he is injured, etc.; but barring something career-ending (or a major restructuring when the current collective bargaining agreement expires) he'll most likely make out just fine on that sixth year too. And obviously, he'll be just fine financially irrespective.

I don't like this move because I believe they all lied. This was planned years ago and if owners colluded like this it would be illegal. The players put their teams and the public through a charade to create the illusion of a choice that was already made long ago. It was obvious to anyone watching the playoffs that LeBron quit on his team. He checked out. That's not cool imo.

He also blew any shot he had of being considered one of the greats like MJ. But he decided he wanted to join Wade's team, in Wade's city, and to have fun with his friends in South Beach. Great for them. The rest of the world that wasn't already NBA groupies couldn't care less, except to root for them to fail.

[McGregor]

He also blew any shot he had of being considered one of the greats like MJ.
because he went to a team with talent (even though some would say after the big 3, they have nothing)?

If he had gone to the Clippers, it would have been okay?

[dank_bass]

In terms salary alone, I don't think any of the three are leaving much on the table by making this move. Part of Riley's presentation included having the Florida income tax implications explained so that they realize the extent to which they get to keep more of what they make by being Florida residents. That is a fact. I know plenty of Connecticut people who changed their residences to Florida for precisely that reason once we instituted a state income tax here. As for the extra year Cleveland could have offered him--well, that was for an extra year. Now he is signing for five instead of six, and he'll be able to sell that sixth year (and beyond) for whatever the market will bear at that time. So, in terms of annual income, I really don't think any of the three of them is taking much of a realized hit, if any. Yes, there is something to be said for the guarantee of income for that sixth year in the event that he is injured, etc.; but barring something career-ending (or a major restructuring when the current collective bargaining agreement expires) he'll most likely make out just fine on that sixth year too. And obviously, he'll be just fine financially irrespective.

I don't like this move because I believe they all lied. This was planned years ago and if owners colluded like this it would be illegal. The players put their teams and the public through a charade to create the illusion of a choice that was already made long ago. It was obvious to anyone watching the playoffs that LeBron quit on his team. He checked out. That's not cool imo.

He also blew any shot he had of being considered one of the greats like MJ. But he decided he wanted to join Wade's team, in Wade's city, and to have fun with his friends in South Beach. Great for them. The rest of the world that wasn't already NBA groupies couldn't care less, except to root for them to fail.

warning - unorganized thoughts ahead

excellent points... I didnt know that about the difference in taxes in FLA. Wouldnt Lebron have been able to bend Cleveland over for whatever amount he wanted though? The Collusion aspect is interesting. When the Pats had their run in the NFL, guys were restructuring contracts to keep the core together, is this any different?

I think i have to mention also, that im as casual a fan of the NBA as there is. Actually, I kind of hate the NBA. That being said , Ive enjoyed wayching what LJ does on the court. I would have liked to have seen him stick it out in Cleveland.

[ScoopJohnD]

Miami Heat, and I'm not a big basketball fan. But it just ties into my newfound hatred of LeBron James. But I can console myself in the fact that he will bring to the Heat and Miami his tradition of disappearing in the playoffs for years to come.

[Lit]

because he went to a team with talent (even though some would say after the big 3, they have nothing)?

If he had gone to the Clippers, it would have been okay?

Joining two other stars--one of whom is arguably the second or third best player in the league and the other of whom is probably top ten--is a cop out imo. Although MJ, Bird and Magic all had help, as did Kobe, I don't think you'd ever see them make a move like this. It's as if Bird and Magic decided to join the same team instead of going against each other. It's not competitive. It's not going to be fun to watch if they are essentially the South Beach Globetrotters.

Wade already has a championship without LeBron. The fact that LeBron felt that he needed that much help to win a championship himself imo diminishes/dilutes any legacy he thought he might achieve as the greatest player ever. He's going to have a tough time even topping Kobe as the best player in the league.

I think the was the worst choice for the NBA and the worst choice for LeBron if he was concerned about his "brand" and his legacy. But yeah, it'll be fun and a lot easier for him playing in South Beach with two other all-stars and friends. That was his choice, but I don't like it. I'm sure he's crushed...

[McGregor]

I'm not following the Lebron hate. I don't get it.

What exactly did he do wrong? Sign with a team he thinks he can win titles with?

[rosetree]

I don't like this move because I believe they all lied. This was planned years ago and if owners colluded like this it would be illegal. The players put their teams and the public through a charade to create the illusion of a choice that was already made long ago. It was obvious to anyone watching the playoffs that LeBron quit on his team. He checked out. That's not cool imo.

He also blew any shot he had of being considered one of the greats like MJ. But he decided he wanted to join Wade's team, in Wade's city, and to have fun with his friends in South Beach. Great for them. The rest of the world that wasn't already NBA groupies couldn't care less, except to root for them to fail.

I totally agree with you Lit!
They have made a mockery of the NBA (not that it needed it). I understand playing with your friends and all that, but this is a business! This is like the inmates running the asylum. ...and if they get Chris Paul to join them (as they reportedly agreed upon) I am going to be pissed!
.....and what about the legalities of Paul signing on with LeBron's agency???? Everything is just starting to smell real bad. :(

[festivalgirl]

I'm not following the Lebron hate. I don't get it.

What exactly did he do wrong? Sign with a team he thinks he can win titles with?

The hour long LBJ Infomercial may have something to do with it.

[McGregor]

Joining two other stars--one of whom is arguably the second or third best player in the league and the other of whom is probably top ten--is a cop out imo. Although MJ, Bird and Magic all had help, as did Kobe, I don't think you'd ever see them make a move like this. It's as if Bird and Magic decided to join the same team instead of going against each other. It's not competitive. It's not going to be fun to watch if they are essentially the South Beach Globetrotters.

Wade already has a championship without LeBron. The fact that LeBron felt that he needed that much help to win a championship himself imo diminishes/dilutes any legacy he thought he might achieve as the greatest player ever. He's going to have a tough time even topping Kobe as the best player in the league.

I think the was the worst choice for the NBA and the worst choice for LeBron if he was concerned about his "brand" and his legacy. But yeah, it'll be fun and a lot easier for him playing in South Beach with two other all-stars and friends. That was his choice, but I don't like it. I'm sure he's crushed...
Yea I guess his legacy may not be what it could with that move but like you said, I'm not sure he cares so much about that.

As an athlete, I would want to win titles (and make money), I'm not sure I would care what the world thought of me after it was over.

Kobe obviously does care.

[McGregor]

The hour long LBJ Infomercial may have something to do with it.

Nobody made anyone watch it.

And it was on a sports channel...during a slow sports period. I don't get why everyone got all upset over that. Seems like people are looking for something to bitch about in all of this.

[rosetree]

I think the was the worst choice for the NBA and the worst choice for LeBron if he was concerned about his "brand" and his legacy. But yeah, it'll be fun and a lot easier for him playing in South Beach with two other all-stars and friends. That was his choice, but I don't like it. I'm sure he's crushed...

If he was concerned about his "brand" or legacy, he would have gone to the Knicks. He could have rescued a once proud franchise and been a billionaire when the floodgates of endorsements were opened.
This is a selfish move in my eyes.....JMHO

[festivalgirl]

It's still the Yankees for me, but only because I care about and follow MLB much more than the Narcissistic Boys Association. Especially now that the Yanks are about to add Cliff Lee, as expected.

But yeah, the Heat have definitely moved toward the top of my bottom list.

If the Yankees do in fact trade for Lee today, it is because they have built up their farm and have what the Mariners have asked for .... catching. The Mets have depleted their farm and have nothing to give.

Last night's NYY starting line up had 5 home grown guys ..... #6 was part of a pinch hitting situation.

[Phatpapa]

The fucking cowboys. In fact I can't even say the Fucking Cowboys without putting fucking in front of Cowboys. I hate them all. From Rogert Staubach and Tom Landry to Bob Lilly, Chuck Howley, Bob Hayes and Hollywood Henderson.... I hate Jerry Jones, Troy (why the long face?) Aikman and Michael (Hookers and blow) Irvin. Nate Newton and Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith (I used to be okay with him till those Just for Men Commercials) and TO ( I just hate him overall though) to the big bunch of losers they have now like Tony (Keep it greasy) Romo and Wade Phillips...

+1

[festivalgirl]

Nobody made anyone watch it.

And it was on a sports channel...during a slow sports period. I don't get why everyone got all upset over that. Seems like people are looking for something to bitch about in all of this.

You didn't have to watch it to know it existed. It was a new low in self-promotion. Seems to me I remember the Favre Hate Fest recently over his need for self-promotion and need for the limelight. Rather that spend 2 months, LeBron packed it all into one hour.

[festivalgirl]

The fucking cowboys. In fact I can't even say the Fucking Cowboys without putting fucking in front of Cowboys. I hate them all. From Rogert Staubach and Tom Landry to Bob Lilly, Chuck Howley, Bob Hayes and Hollywood Henderson.... I hate Jerry Jones, Troy (why the long face?) Aikman and Michael (Hookers and blow) Irvin. Nate Newton and Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith (I used to be okay with him till those Just for Men Commercials) and TO ( I just hate him overall though) to the big bunch of losers they have now like Tony (Keep it greasy) Romo and Wade Phillips...

+1

.... right there with you ....

[McGregor]

You didn't have to watch it to know it existed. It was a new low in self-promotion. Seems to me I remember the Favre Hate Fest recently over his need for self-promotion and need for the limelight. Rather that spend 2 months, LeBron packed it all into one hour.

I'll agree with the self-promotion angle but that just seems par for the course with all pro athletes these days, not just Lebron.

Last night's NYY starting line up had 5 home grown guys ..... #6 was part of a pinch hitting situation.
This is true but certainly you can understand the frustration fans of other MLB fans have at the Yankees being able to sign whoever they want, whenever.

[ScoopJohnD]

I'm not following the Lebron hate. I don't get it.

What exactly did he do wrong? Sign with a team he thinks he can win titles with?

Let's see, orchestrated an hour long waste of time that rivaled Geraldo Rivera's Al Capone's Vault special. Strung along his city and his team, wants to market himself as a player equal to MJ or any of the greats when in reality so far he couldn't carry their shoes and this move emphasises that. If he's "The King", stay with Cleveland and MAKE them a winner, or go to another team and MAKE them a winner, don't latch onto a team and a player that has already won. Or if you do, just cut the bs and low key it.

He's Basketballs A-Rod, and even A-Rod has learned to "blend" as much as he can. He's won his championship, but do you think he garners the same respect as some other players?

[Lit]

If the Yankees do in fact trade for Lee today, it is because they have built up their farm and have what the Mariners have asked for .... catching. The Mets have depleted their farm and have nothing to give.

Last night's NYY starting line up had 5 home grown guys ..... #6 was part of a pinch hitting situation.

Spare me. The Yankees are able to boast all of that because they don't have to deplete their farm to make all the other moves when they consistently pay the top salaries to the most players and outspend every other team by a factor that is so significant that it consistently gives them a major competitive edge over every other team, even the Red Sox and Mets who are the next biggest spenders. The only people on the planet who don't see this are Yankee fans, and even most of them admit it, adding "it's not my money."

The rules allow it, and as we've seen it doesn't always guarantee championships, but there's a reason why everyone on the planet uses the Yankees as the only example of the team that "buys" its championships. It's because they do. It is cool that they are able to boast so many of their own homegrown players, but it is only because of their vast financial edge deployed for other moves--as well as to keep those players-- that they are able to do so.

[Lit]

If he was concerned about his "brand" or legacy, he would have gone to the Knicks. He could have rescued a once proud franchise and been a billionaire when the floodgates of endorsements were opened.
This is a selfish move in my eyes.....JMHO

Agree 100%

[festivalgirl]

I'll agree with the self-promotion angle but that just seems par for the course with all pro athletes these days, not just Lebron.


This is true but certainly you can understand the frustration fans of other MLB fans have at the Yankees being able to sign whoever they want, whenever.

I do understand but no one seems to remember the busts. I would think the Yankee haters would get more enjoyment out of the King George deals that went really badly.

Do you hate the Phillies for doing the same thing with the same guy last year? Deadline trades for teams in the Playoff race happen every year. Angels did it a few years ago, Phillies, Brewers ...... Cashman isn't willing to give up the farm for a rental.

[McGregor]

Let's see, orchestrated an hour long waste of time that rivaled Geraldo Rivera's Al Capone's Vault special. Strung along his city and his team, wants to market himself as a player equal to MJ or any of the greats when in reality so far he couldn't carry their shoes and this move emphasises that. If he's "The King", stay with Cleveland and MAKE them a winner, or go to another team and MAKE them a winner, don't latch onto a team and a player that has already won. Or if you do, just cut the bs and low key it.

I don't see anything wrong with the ESPN special. It's pro sports. It's entertainment. It's what pro athletes do now. He didn't owe Cleveland one thing. He was free to go where he wanted. If that's where he wanted to go, fine by me. Why shouldn't he make as much money as he can?

He's Basketballs A-Rod, and even A-Rod has learned to "blend" as much as he can. He's won his championship, but do you think he garners the same respect as some other players?
Wait a minute. He's not basketball's A-Rod. ARod is complete douchebag. What has Lebron done that rivals anything ARod has done? ARod took steroids and then lied about it to everyone. Lebron has done nothing that touches that.

But to your last point, I agree. I don't think ARod has gotten as much respect in NY than if he had stayed in Seattle for instance and won it but if he had done that, he would have made less money and probably would not have won anything, like Lebron in Cleveland.

All Lebron has done is market himself and take an opportunity that was in front of him. Don't compare that to ARod, please.

[McGregor]

Spare me. The Yankees are able to boast all of that because they don't have to deplete their farm to make all the other moves when they consistently pay the top salaries to the most players and outspend every other team by a factor that is so significant that it consistently gives them a major competitive edge over every other team, even the Red Sox and Mets who are the next biggest spenders. The only people on the planet who don't see this are Yankee fans, and even most of them admit it, adding "it's not my money."

The rules allow it, and as we've seen it doesn't always guarantee championships, but there's a reason why everyone on the planet uses the Yankees as the only example of the team that "buys" its championships. It's because they do. It is cool that they are able to boast so many of their own homegrown players, but it is only because of their vast financial edge deployed for other moves--as well as to keep those players-- that they are able to do so.

don't they also receive extra picks when they buy FA's for a year and they leave?

I don't know the specifics of that rule but I'm pretty sure that exists.

[festivalgirl]

Spare me. The Yankees are able to boast all of that because they don't have to deplete their farm to make all the other moves when they consistently pay the top salaries to the most players and outspend every other team by a factor that is so significant that it consistently gives them a major competitive edge over every other team, even the Red Sox and Mets who are the next biggest spenders. The only people on the planet who don't see this are Yankee fans, and even most of them admit it, adding "it's not my money."

The rules allow it, and as we've seen it doesn't always guarantee championships, but there's a reason why everyone on the planet uses the Yankees as the only example of the team that "buys" its championships. It's because they do. It is cool that they are able to boast so many of their own homegrown players, but it is only because of their vast financial edge deployed for other moves--as well as to keep those players-- that they are able to do so.

The Yankees spent years depleting the Farm for those big contracts under the direction of King George. It was stupid and didn't win a WS. Now that the team is under Hal the Younger, the farm has been replenished. Money doesn't replenish your farm - good scouting/smart signings do.

Minaya was stupid enough to go down the same path .... deplete the farm for big names. It doesn't work. The Mets will have to come to that conclusion some time after they have new ownership/management. The Mets are pretty screwed up in that area - would you want to sign up for that?

The Red Sox are somewhere in between. The fact that they are still in the race with all of their injuries is a testament to their Farm. Epstein knows what he's doing, just need ownership on his side.

[ScoopJohnD]

I stand by my LeBron comments and as for baseball, I sure wish half the venom directed at the Yankees would be directed to the teams who plead poverty but then pocket the money the Yankees pay them instead of reinvesting in the team (Pittsburgh for example)

[McGregor]

I stand by my LeBron comments and as for baseball, I sure wish half the venom directed at the Yankees would be directed to the teams who plead poverty but then pocket the money the Yankees pay them instead of reinvesting in the team (Pittsburgh for example)
I agree with that 100% too but those teams really don't impact the game in the same way (obviously).

With the current NYY rotation, if they don't win the WS it will be a complete failure. The fact they've only one it once in the last 7-8 years is unreal with that kind of payroll disparity they have with the rest of the league.

This thread is making my fri workday go by much better. Thank you!

[goodabouthood]

Easy. The Dallas Cowgirls.

[festivalgirl]

I stand by my LeBron comments and as for baseball, I sure wish half the venom directed at the Yankees would be directed to the teams who plead poverty but then pocket the money the Yankees pay them instead of reinvesting in the team (Pittsburgh for example)

Thank you!

If you your team salary is less than the profit sharing money you receive, the left over amount should go to the teams who want to spend and become better.

I think the Mariners are stupid for the Lee move. They have a good team. Sure they are way behind, but it's just All Star Break .... Texas will swoon in the heat, the Angels are really beat up, and Oakland, well they're Oakland. I don't really understand the "We're behind so let's get rid of the best players we have and fall farther behind" game plan.

[PaulC]

Spare me. The Yankees are able to boast all of that because they don't have to deplete their farm to make all the other moves when they consistently pay the top salaries to the most players and outspend every other team by a factor that is so significant that it consistently gives them a major competitive edge over every other team, even the Red Sox and Mets who are the next biggest spenders. The only people on the planet who don't see this are Yankee fans, and even most of them admit it, adding "it's not my money."

The rules allow it, and as we've seen it doesn't always guarantee championships, but there's a reason why everyone on the planet uses the Yankees as the only example of the team that "buys" its championships. It's because they do. It is cool that they are able to boast so many of their own homegrown players, but it is only because of their vast financial edge deployed for other moves--as well as to keep those players-- that they are able to do so.



yup,..the yankees take in the most money,.. and then they turn around and spend the most money...

all agents and players know they can get at least a 20% add on when the yankees get involved... the yankees home grown guys don't play for a discount,..if anything they extort more money from the yankees because they know the team has it,..and they know they want to protect their brand....

then they have the exact opposite of the no state income tax thing as players demand and receive a premium to play in new york,.. in the major league section of town that is....

great article here on last nights circus act......

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Author and LeBronologist Buzz Bissinger described it as TV's equivalent of waterboarding. New York Post columnist Mike Vaccaro called it an "awful night for Cleveland, worse night for sports, worst night for ESPN."

Eric Stangel, the head writer and executive producer for The Late Show with David Letterman, delivered an equally scathing review on Twitter: "I'm keeping my 2 yr old up to watch the LeBron James Special. I want her to see the exact moment our society hit rock bottom."

The decision on "The Decision" finally came at 9:27 p.m., following the kind of milking best done on a farm. Watching the LeBron James reality show on Thursday night, I gained a new respect for TV's Amish in the City and Temptation Island. This was not a good night for sports television, even if the ratings turn out to be big.

ESPN executives had said repeatedly on Wednesday that James would announce his decision in the first 10 to 15 minutes of the show. Not so. The show opened with Stuart Scott, Michael Wilbon, Chris Broussard, and Jon Barry chatting around a table for 10 minutes about the magnitude of the moment, before Scott read something off a teleprompter that cited James' greatness. That was followed by a feature in which viewers were told how LeBron had dazzled and amazed us and that he was the most coveted prize in this year's free-agent class. The Bristol crew finally tossed it over to freelance interviewer Jim Gray in Greenwich, Conn. ... 22 minutes into the show.

Then, in a decision that defied logic, reason, drama and journalism, Gray asked 16 questions over six minutes before getting to the question that needed to be asked. He asked James if he was still a nail-biter, if he wanted to sleep on his decision, and he even repeated a question ("What did you expect from/what have you thought about this process?") before finally asking the following: "The answer to the question everyone wants to know: LeBron, what is your decision?" The inane and extended foreplay was excruciating and tortured, and the veteran journalist was destroyed on social media, some famous voices among the critics. Tweeted Keith Olbermann: "Jim Gray, my pal, I am about to retroactively take Pete Rose's side." Offered ESPY host Seth Meyers: "Foreplay from Jim Gray just as satisfying as I've always imagined it would be."

If Gray had a highlight, it was his asking James about going to Dwyane Wade's team and not being the headliner. "For me, it's not about sharing," James said. "It's about everybody having their own spotlight and doing what's best for the team." He later asked how James could explain this to Cleveland and what the major reason was for leaving the Cavaliers, and got James to give up the news that Erik Spoelstra will remain the Miami Heat coach (at least for now). As James answered Gray's questions, I'm sure I wasn't alone in thinking this: Any chance we could get a shot of the crowd's reaction in Miami or Cleveland?

The most compelling moment of the program came at 9:52 p.m., when producers hustled to get footage of James' No. 23 jersey burning on the ground in Cleveland. Wilbon -- he and Barry both performed above this circus on the night -- asked the player how he felt about the image. Said a clearly nervous James: "I can't get involved. .... This is a business. I had seven great years in Cleveland. I hope the fans understand, and maybe they won't."

Late on Thursday night, ESPN executive vice president Norby Williamson, who had told reporters the announcement would come early in the show, responded to the late reveal. "Our plan was to go to the announcement within the first 15 minutes," said Williamson. "It turned out the LeBron interview began 22 minutes into the live show. The larger point I was trying to make is that the news would be presented within the first part of the program, to allow for analysis and perspective on the front and back end of the announcement. I think we accomplished that despite the fact that my prediction was a little off."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/richard_deitsch/07/09/espn.lebron/index.html#ixzz0tDIo0EGu

[McGregor]

I don't really understand the "We're behind so let's get rid of the best players we have and fall farther behind" game plan.

16 games out is just about a hopeless situation

great article here on last nights circus act......
consider the source, SI hating on ESPN? Shocker.

[festivalgirl]

I agree with that 100% too but those teams really don't impact the game in the same way (obviously).

With the current NYY rotation, if they don't win the WS it will be a complete failure. The fact they've only one it once in the last 7-8 years is unreal with that kind of payroll disparity they have with the rest of the league.

This thread is making my fri workday go by much better. Thank you!

Yankee fans will be the first to tell you that a WS can't be bought - it has to be won. It's not how much you spend but who you spend it on. Everyone looks at the big signings as why they won the WS last year. I look at a simple trade - Nick Swisher, the outfielder no one wanted. He brought a spirit into the clubhouse that had been missing for years. I can't remember the last time they were a real team. (Plus, it got rid of Wilson Betemit) A bunch of show ponies won't win - a team will.

[festivalgirl]

16 games out is just about a hopeless situation


consider the source, SI hating on ESPN? Shocker.

1978. The Mariners have the pieces especially with Lee.

[McGregor]

1978. The Mariners have the pieces especially with Lee.

what's the '78 reference? Yankees-Sox?

Wouldn't Lee be a FA after this year?

[ScoopJohnD]

16 games out is just about a hopeless situation

For THIS year.....however Cliff Lee, Felix Hernandez, Ichiro is a pretty good nucleus.

[McGregor]

For THIS year.....however Cliff Lee, Felix Hernandez, Ichiro is a pretty good nucleus.

Is Lee a FA though after this season? I doubt he would chose to stay in Sea if so.

[festivalgirl]

what's the '78 reference? Yankees-Sox?

Wouldn't Lee be a FA after this year?

Yankees were down 14 games in July ..... on paper, this Mariner team is better.

Yes he is. To fuel the anti-Yankee fire, Cashman would not make the trade for a rental so a contract must be in the works. After Lee kicked our ass again last week in NY, he was asked why he pitched so well there (kicked us in the WS, too). "I like pitching here" .... tipped his hand, didn't he.

[festivalgirl]

For THIS year.....however Cliff Lee, Felix Hernandez, Ichiro is a pretty good nucleus.

David Aardsma, Chone Figgins and Casey Kotchman ain't too bad either.

[dank_bass]

Cashman isn't willing to give up the farm for a rental.

r u kiddin? This is all Cashman did for years. Eventually it stopped working, and their farm system was decimated ... seems to be healed now

[dank_bass]

Yankee fans will be the first to tell you that a WS can't be bought - it has to be won. It's not how much you spend but who you spend it on. Everyone looks at the big signings as why they won the WS last year. I look at a simple trade - Nick Swisher, the outfielder no one wanted. He brought a spirit into the clubhouse that had been missing for years. I can't remember the last time they were a real team. (Plus, it got rid of Wilson Betemit) A bunch of show ponies won't win - a team will.

Basesball isnt so much as a team sport as others ... Its a collection of individual achievements. Given the talent that the Yankees have on their roster they SHOULD win the WS every year. Thats part of what makes rooting against them so much fun. If they dont win the world series, its a colossal failure, since they are better than almost every team at every position. Compare their 7-8-9 hitters to the rest of the league ... Im not sure how the numbers will look, but I have a good guess

[dank_bass]

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[festivalgirl]

r u kiddin? This is all Cashman did for years. Eventually it stopped working, and their farm system was decimated ... seems to be healed now

it's what george wanted him to do .... george is not running the team any more.

[McGregor]

Yea Nick Swisher hit:
.083 against Minn in the ALDS
.150 against LAA in the ALCS
.133 against Philly in the WS

[PaulC]

r u kiddin? This is all Cashman did for years. Eventually it stopped working, and their farm system was decimated ... seems to be healed now



there was a much stronger hand pullin' the strings behind many of cashmans mistakes....

the biggest mistake that cashman made was talkin' that stronger hand out of goin' after big pappi once the twins let him go... george told cashman to go and get papi when he wasn't nearly so big,.. but cashman insisted he didn't have a spot for him as giambi and nick johnson helped fill out 2 of the 25 spots back then...

george knew a thing or two,.. which means i wasn't the only one who noticed that papi was a yankee killer when he was w/ the twinkies (my 2nd favorite team goin' all the way back to the 60's).....

[dank_bass]

wait a minute ... youre part of the evil empire paul c? A boy from Boston??

[festivalgirl]

Yea Nick Swisher hit:
.083 against Minn in the ALDS
.150 against LAA in the ALCS
.133 against Philly in the WS

I know ... I said it was his spirit and personality that helped them become a team again. He also reminded them that it is a game and should be fun.

Those numbers are the exact reason he spent the winter with Kevin Long (hitting coach) to fix his swing and Dave Eiland (pitching coach) to fix his throws from RF.

[festivalgirl]

wait a minute ... youre part of the evil empire paul c? A boy from Boston??

that would be disney ......

even with a salary cap, angelos still wouldn't spend any money.

[PaulC]

The Yankees spent years depleting the Farm for those big contracts under the direction of King George. It was stupid and didn't win a WS. Now that the team is under Hal the Younger, the farm has been replenished. Money doesn't replenish your farm - good scouting/smart signings do.




to be fair,..the yankees are able to gamble on draft picks that sink to lower rungs due to health concerns or signin' chances... they have the money to risk on guys who either are dealin' w/ injuries that other teams can't afford to gamble on,.. or guys who have mentioned that they will most likley commit to college if bigger bucks aren't on the table... plus they have a bigger pocket to go and scout,..and buy,.. international players... they signed montero at age 16..... he is goin' to hammer the ball in the majors at some point (i have watched him closely for the last 4 springs,..the dude is the strongest yankee hitter),.. but he most likely won't be stayin' behind the plate too long due to his size... w/ that in mind,..and w/ the yankees bein' rock solid in catchin' prospects,.. the yankees will move him for lee....

gotta remember if montero has to move positions as expected,.. where does he go w/ the yankees???.. they are locked into 1st basemen/dh types for years to come w/ the agin' arod and tex under contract for a good many more years...



you know i'm a huge yankee fan,.. but their money does allow them certain gamblin' privileges...

[McGregor]

I know ... I said it was his spirit and personality that helped them become a team again. He also reminded them that it is a game and should be fun.

Those numbers are the exact reason he spent the winter with Kevin Long (hitting coach) to fix his swing and Dave Eiland (pitching coach) to fix his throws from RF.

I know, just giving you a hard time. Those numbers are a small sample size anyway.

[PaulC]

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ahhhh,.. nothin' like chantin' out your anti-free market, socialist aggenda???

[festivalgirl]

to be fair,..the yankees are able to gamble on draft picks that sink to lower rungs due to health concerns or signin' chances... they have the money to risk on guys who either are dealin' w/ injuries that other teams can't afford to gamble on,.. or guys who have mentioned that they will most likley commit to college if bigger bucks aren't on the table... plus they have a bigger pocket to go and scout,..and buy,.. international players... they signed montero at age 16..... he is goin' to hammer the ball in the majors at some point (i have watched him closely for the last 4 springs,..the dude is the strongest yankee hitter),.. but he most likely won't be stayin' behind the plate too long due to his size... w/ that in mind,..and w/ the yankees bein' rock solid in catchin' prospects,.. the yankees will move him for lee....

gotta remember if montero has to move positions as expected,.. where does he go w/ the yankees???.. they are locked into 1st basemen/dh types for years to come w/ the agin' arod and tex under contract for a good many more years...



you know i'm a huge yankee fan,.. but their money does allow them certain gamblin' privileges...

sure it does .... but gotta spend money to make money. you also have to build an organization people want to join. if the rumors are true, montero is moving organizations .... he's the offer for lee.

george et al spent $10 mil in '73 .... now valued at $1 billion. rather than hate them, i'd follow the business model. they also don't depend on the team for their income which helps.

[McGregor]

they also don't depend on the team for their income which helps.

Exactly, don't they make most of their money with their TV deal?

Nobody else can touch that.

[festivalgirl]

I know, just giving you a hard time. Those numbers are a small sample size anyway.

I know ..... that's why I'm playing along.

[festivalgirl]

Exactly, don't they make most of their money with their TV deal?

Nobody else can touch that.

The Steinbrenner family has marine shipping/shipbuilding, hotel and horse businesses as well. I would guess they live just fine on those three alone.

The Mets & Sawx also have their own networks ..... TV money certainly helps.

[festivalgirl]

Hmmmm, looks like someone is willing to give up the farm for Lee. I'm guessing Rangers (they were rumored to be the front runner last night)....... the Mariners might just be using the Eagles model - trade your best player within the division. ????????

[hewboy22]

good stuff in here!

to answer the thread question, would have to say the Patriots, with the Braves/Phillies/Dolphins jockeying for 2nd place. maybe not so much the Dolphins anymore though - that was more of a Marino complex. lol.

it's the Pats because they are a division rival, but mainly because of Belichick. he became the head coach of the Jets and then "resigned as HC of the NYJ" in a note the next fuggin' day! then he takes the Pats job and proceeds to win 3 Super Bowls with them. Arrrggghh!!! Hard to argue with Brady's stats but his incessant whining and complaing to the Officials, looking for flags, drives me up a wall! not to mention The Tuck Rule game, Spygate, Rodney Harrison...

[McGregor]

good stuff in here!

to answer the thread question, would have to say the Patriots, with the Braves/Phillies/Dolphins jockeying for 2nd place.

You're going to hate the Braves alot more after tonight when they light up Mr. Knuckleball.

:)

[hewboy22]

You're going to hate the Braves alot more after tonight when they light up Mr. Knuckleball.

:)

lol. no way!

Fear the Dickey!

[McGregor]

lol. no way!

Fear the Dickey!

HA! That's great.

[chopitulas]

1 (by far) The LA Dodgers
2 The LA Lakers (the Clippers don't really count)
3 St. Louis Rams (they will always be the LA Rams to me)
4 Dallas Cowgirls

I grew up in San Francisco and the above are pretty much in one's DNA if you are from there.

5 NY Yankees

As someone may have mentioned, it would be nice to see a salary cap in MLB.

[hewboy22]

HA! That's great.

:)

i will say, it's not going to be the same with out ol' Coxie out there next year. always admired him, and love watching him mix it up with the umps! hopefully he has a reason to get pissed off tonight ;)

[McGregor]

:)

i will say, it's not going to be the same with out ol' Coxie out there next year. always admired him, and love watching him mix it up with the umps! hopefully he has a reason to get pissed off tonight ;)

He'll probably get tossed even if he doesn't have a reason. :) I'm still sort of hoping he changes his mind. I think he still enjoys doing it. I think he thought the fans/organization wanted a change because frankly up until this year, things had been going downhill.

Should be a good series, looking forward to it. Both teams are in a better position than they thought they'd be in at the start of the year.