THR Projects Status

[festbabe]

Here's a summary of ALL the projects (ever). Let me know any questions there are - contact me here on the board or heather at threadheadrecords dot com

Fundraising in process:
THR Christmas/Holiday compilation - $1160 raised in two days
Sanchez solo 'Return to Storyville' - $1560 out of $2000
Margie Perez - $1800 out of $2000
Ingrid Lucia - $3045 out of $15k
Shamarr & Paul duo - $2160 out of $5k
Fatien Ensemble - $8300 out of $10k
Rick Trolsen - $6500 out of $10k
Susan Cowsill 'Lighthouse' - $15,600 out of $20k

Fundraising complete, CD in production:
Matt Perrine
Mary Lasseigne
Susan Cowsill 'Just Believe It'
Marc Stone

CDs complete, sales in progress:
Alex McMurray
Nightcrawlers
Shamarr Allen

CDs complete, payback in progress:
Sanchez 'Pieces' book
Bouchez 'Stew'
Glen David Andrews

Complete and repaid in full:
Boutte 'Good Neighbor'
Sanchez 'Mystery Street'

[eZe]

Thanks for the update.....will dig in the couch and car seats and see what I can come up with..

[chrisjoseph]

Thanks for doing this. I would add the following:

1. We have closed fundraising for Susan's Lighthouse CD and Rick Trolsen's CD.
2. Shamarr's and Paul's CD is being recorded now, and will be made for under 3K.
3. John has paid 50 percent of his contribution to the NOMC. Alex has paid all of his contribution to NOMC.
4. Sanchez' solo CD is recorded and will be out before November.
5. Mary Lasseigne's album should be out in September.
6. If anyone needs an update on Susan's projects, please email offline. It's too long to post here.
7. We will be announcing a new project (a DVD!) next week.
8. Plans are in the works for a TV show. And that's all I have to say about that for now.

[festbabe]

Thanks for the additional detail

[Carolina Beadhead]

Out of curiosity, what's up with Marc's CD?

[steeleye]

It's been said before, but worth repeating...Threadheads freaking ROCK!

Huge thanks and kudos to all of you who are driving the "business" side of TH Records.

[chrisjoseph]

Out of curiosity, what's up with Marc's CD?Should be done this month. Whether he releases it soon or waits closer to Jazzfest, I'm not sure.

[Corona]

wow! amazing results! Just wish I had more money to spread around :(

[i wanna be in NOLA]

From Heather's post... Sanchez solo 'Return to Storyville' - $1560 out of $2000

4. Sanchez' solo CD is recorded and will be out before November.

oh... wait... I didn't see this before I made my donation. Confusion reigns in my head.

[NYMAMA]

OK anybody else curious about thatTV showburp?

[freebo]

Um, YES:

Me.

[CEfromLA]

[QUOTE=chrisjoseph;280862]Thanks for doing this. I would add the following:
6. If anyone needs an update on Susan's projects, please email offline. It's too long to post here.

That sounds scary....

[festbabe]

OK anybody else curious about thaTV showblurb?

what? what?

[rosetree]

OK anybody else curious about thaTV showblurb?

no burps or anything?????
C'mon Chris, throw us a bone!

[glinda]

no burps or anything?????
C'mon Chris, throw us a bone!

or a wink, twitch, cough, hiccup........

[festivalgirl]

OK anybody else curious about thatTV showburp?

Can it (or the DVD) get Steve some work?? :o

[chrisjoseph]

TV Show. Nod. Wink. Burp. Business plan being developed. Burp.

[festivalgirl]

TV Show. Nod. Wink. Burp. Business plan being developed. Burp.

Who's your "Inside" person?

[chrisjoseph]

Not sure what you mean.

[festivalgirl]

Not sure what you mean.

Sorry ... someone in the TV Biz helping with the plan.

[chrisjoseph]

We do. A couple of people in New Orleans. You, Steve and I can talk next Friday. And bring friends!!! We want to more than fill the room.

[Delta]

We do. A couple of people in New Orleans. You, Steve and I can talk next Friday. And bring friends!!! We want to more than fill the room.

As long as it's not Louisiana Film Studios and Wayne Read!

[festbabe]

Here's a lazy Sunday afternoon update on the Holiday CD project:

There has been $2103 contributed as of this afternoon. This comes from 36 donors, 14 who are first-time participants with THR! Amounts range from $10 to $125, with the average being $55.

[chrisjoseph]

I just posted this info on Facebook....

[festbabe]

Folks are rocking and rolling today -- we've got a new total of $4225 toward the $7k goal. Merry, merry Threadhead!

[chrisjoseph]

Can we make it to 5K by the end of today?

[Orleansnj]

huh - so I'm really jazzed about this project (no pun intended) and I was trying to figure out how to shake a little more change out of the wallet and I realized that I spend FAR too much on those purchases that really add up and are easily missed: coffee, snacks, lunch out...

so - one large iced coffee is $2.60 a day * 5 days a week (yes, I really do buy that each afternoon) = $13 a week * 4 weeks in a month - that's $52.00 dollars. Holy crap - that's a lot of money.

Rather than frittering it away on sub-standard coffee anyway - I'm going to do without my September coffee and make an additional donation to this album - because the lasting impact of this CD vastly outweighs the utility of a cup of iced coffee in the afternoon.

If y'all have a few places you might be able to eek out a couple of extra dollars, I'm askin' everyone to play along here and bring this one to fruition.

[chrisjoseph]

Love those ideas!!!

[NYMAMA]

OK ONJ you got me. Just gave up my coffee money for the month also

[funkkjunkie]

I'm in for my daily iced tea. :D

[MaloGator]

What happened to Kinky Tuscaderos...did that fall off the radar? Its still on the site list.

[chrisjoseph]

Last I heard, the CD was to be released this month.

[CEfromLA]

Chris, we'll give you a check on Friday when we see you (avoiding paypal fees!).

[MaloGator]

What happened to Kinky Tuscaderos...did that fall off the radar? Its still on the site list.

Last I heard, the CD was to be released this month.

Great! Looking forward to it. I missed that, I haven't been around too much lately.

[LynnMargaret]

Ok, the original post on this thread has made me go misty. How totally amazing y'all are!

I'm sorry if I missed it somewhere, but how do I donate? Do I pick a specific project or it just goes into the pot? Which is TOTALLY fine! Just curious!

Please advise!

Thanks!

[BigDag]

Ok, the original post on this thread has made me go misty. How totally amazing y'all are!

I'm sorry if I missed it somewhere, but how do I donate? Do I pick a specific project or it just goes into the pot? Which is TOTALLY fine! Just curious!

Please advise!

Thanks!

You can do either. Go to threadheadrecords.com and click the "donate" icon. It's all explained there. And thanks for your help!

[funkkjunkie]

LynnMargaret, there may be other projects in need of money but right now there is a push for the christmas cd. If you want to donate to that, donate to the general fund and then, if there's no place to indicate it's for the xmas cd, when chrisjoseph sends you a thank you email, you can respond back and tell him if it was for that specific project.

[Marc Stone]

Hey Susan!

Here's an update in response to your inquiry about progress on my CD:

I had all of the basic tracks done. Unfotunately one tune, despite 2 attempts, still wasn't working for me. We are scrapping that tune for now and going to Axis Studio on Sept 29 to record the bed for a different tune that is road-tested and I know we can get a good take on. Karl Himmel will play drums, Sam Price will play bass, Joshua Paxton will play keys, and Vasti Jackson will produce. While we are at Axis will put Paxton to work on their beautiful Yamaha Grand piano and gorgeous vintage Hammond B3 to finish the keyboard tracks. We will also have Karl add some drums to the existing track of "Much Too Much", which was released as just a piano/guitar/vocal track on the EP.

Talking to Craig K and Mr. Mullins about laying some Bonerisms on 2 or 3 tracks in a overdub session at my house prior to the session at Axis. Engineer extraordinaire Dave Fogelman will come to NOLA on Oct 3 (after he films his television debut, more on that another time) and spend a week finishing overdubs, including all final vocals and additional instrument overdubs. Players slated for overdubs are Alfred "Uganda" Roberts - congas, Anthony Dopsie - accordion, Big Al Carson, Harry Sterling, Amanda Walker and others- background vox, and maybe a very few other tracks, players TBD. I will finish the guitar tracks and Vasti may throw in a couple as well. That should wrap all tracking (11 songs) and then it's time to mix and master. Release date TBD.

musicians on the tracks to date: Sam Price, Joe Krown, Keith "One Love" Sonnier, Seguenon Kone, Kirk Joseph, Vasti Jackson, Steve Holley, Tony Hall, Raymond Weber, Bill Davis, Michael Skinkus, Christof Waibel, Sean Carey, Johnny Allen (from NYC, not JA of the Subdudes or JA the Cajun singer)

Thanks to everyone for being patient with this project. It's really my first rodeo in terms of a full-length studio release of my own material. Lots of factors, not the least of which is my own inexperience making my own records in the studio, have caused this to be a long process. Fortunately I think the finished product will be considerably better as a result of the time I have had to grow into the demands of the project and write new, or rewrite previously existing, tunes for the CD. I have sent partial tracks to CJ and LIT to check out and had some nice, in depth discussion with LIT about the music. I really think I benefitted from having the gut input from LIT, since we don't know each other outside of the bored and he is an avid and thoughtful listener, but not a professional in the music biz. Not everyone will tell you what they really think, and not many people have the ability to describe in detail their reaction to music without it going through the filter of someone who has worked in the biz.
As always, anyone who is curious and wants to hear some of the in-progress tracks that were not on the EP and send some comments on them, are welcome to contact me.

So that's where it's at. Hope ya like what you hear when it's done!

[Festngator]

Thanks Marc for the update

[Carolina Beadhead]

Thanks, Marc! Really looking forward to this one.

[LynnMargaret]

LynnMargaret, there may be other projects in need of money but right now there is a push for the christmas cd. If you want to donate to that, donate to the general fund and then, if there's no place to indicate it's for the xmas cd, when chrisjoseph sends you a thank you email, you can respond back and tell him if it was for that specific project.

HA! I was just logging it to report that I cho-cho-chose XMASS CD - I just finished up my paypal donation! I had thought about it during the weekend and that's what kept rising to the top of my mental list! On the same page as y'all - go figure!

[funkkjunkie]

YYR. It's a beautiful thing, this synchronicity amongst us. :D

[chrisjoseph]

The radio interview I did with Drew Miller on Saturday Sept 5 is now posted on the THR website (thanks Ohio!) at the top of this page:

http://www.threadheadrecords.com/photos.htm

[i wanna be in NOLA]

I've been sitting here listening to Alex's Cannonball cd. It's truly wonderful!

[chrisjoseph]

might be my favorite CD of the year. But wait until you hear Paul's new solo CD....

[LynnMargaret]

I've been sitting here listening to Alex's Cannonball cd. It's truly wonderful!

It has been in heavy rotation on my ipod since it came out! I love, love, love it.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

might be my favorite CD of the year. But wait until you hear Paul's new solo CD....

I'm definitely looking forward to that one!

[festbabe]

Ok - quick update, folks.

There's been alot of activity the last two weeks and I'm getting the bookkeeping caught up this weekend.

The really good news is-

-Paul/John have made the final pay-back for 'Stew' :)
-Craigory has made a $2k repayment of the $10k Nightcrawlers project :) :)

I'll have emails out to the investors later today or tomorrow (Sat/Sun) with your investment amounts and a request for a response on payments/reinvestments.

It's great to be a Threadhead :D

[i wanna be in NOLA]

I know there was a big push a couple weeks ago to get final funding for the Holiday CD project. Is that one done?

[chrisjoseph]

Budget has gone up a bit, so we still need to raise another 1k or so....

[festbabe]

More updates:

Paul's Solo CD has been fully funded by a "I'll make up the difference" Threadhead :)

The THR Holiday CD has been fully funded just this morning (woo-hoo!)

Ingrid Lucia is about to make a big push to her fanbase to raise funds (and thanks to the THs who rolled over their Stew and Nightcrawler payments to Ingrid).

Just learned this morning that Shamarr is ready to make a partial repayment on his project!! More information coming soon.

Two new projects are finalizing ('finalising', for some of you) details and will be ready to announce later this week.

Also a note of thanks to the THR donors who consistently roll the repayments over to current and future projects. When this idea kicked off, I thought maybe a few would take this option and the majority would take the payments, but it has been the other way around, with more than 90% of folks re-investing. Especially grateful given the economic times we're in.

Can I say it enough?? Threadheads. Rock.

[chrisjoseph]

Thanks to all of you who have invested $$ in the projects, to buying the CD's, and/or have spent your time and energy (especially Bry, Susan, Heather, and Ozzie)!!!!!!!!!!

[Mexi]

More updates:

Paul's Solo CD has been fully funded by a "I'll make up the difference" Threadhead :)

The THR Holiday CD has been fully funded just this morning (woo-hoo!)

Ingrid Lucia is about to make a big push to her fanbase to raise funds (and thanks to the THs who rolled over their Stew and Nightcrawler payments to Ingrid).

Just learned this morning that Shamarr is ready to make a partial repayment on his project!! More information coming soon.

Two new projects are finalizing ('finalising', for some of you) details and will be ready to announce later this week.

Also a note of thanks to the THR donors who consistently roll the repayments over to current and future projects. When this idea kicked off, I thought maybe a few would take this option and the majority would take the payments, but it has been the other way around, with more than 90% of folks re-investing. Especially grateful given the economic times we're in.

Can I say it enough?? Threadheads. Rock.

Great update. Thank You!

[i wanna be in NOLA]

More updates:

The THR Holiday CD has been fully funded just this morning (woo-hoo!)

Just learned this morning that Shamarr is ready to make a partial repayment on his project!! More information coming soon.

Two new projects are finalizing ('finalising', for some of you) details and will be ready to announce later this week.



So, I understand that the holiday project has additional funding needs and that there are two new projects close to being announced. I've got a few THR bucks to roll over but I'm interested in hearing about the new projects before deciding where that rollover is going to go. Are the new projects announced somewhere?

[ohio]

So, I understand that the holiday project has additional funding needs and that there are two new projects close to being announced. I've got a few THR bucks to roll over but I'm interested in hearing about the new projects before deciding where that rollover is going to go. Are the new projects announced somewhere?
threadheadrecords.com (http://www.threadheadrecords.com/)
click on "Current Projects"

[chrisjoseph]

One is the DVD project that is under Current Projects on the THR site. The other is: we are talking with Betty Harris about working with her on her new album. That one is not ready yet, though.

[mwgirlonherown]

Anymore discussion with Paul Cebar???

[Gards]

One is the DVD project that is under Current Projects on the THR site. The other is: we are talking with Betty Harris about working with her on her new album. That one is not ready yet, though.

Interesting Betty Harris story if ive got it right.I think the performer was Betty
A melbourne public radio DJ who is also a lawyer and part time promoter of good music.he has brought Betty/Syl Johnson and others down to Melbourne.He saw a compilation of Bettys material on CD in a store somewhere let her know about it and she said it was the first she knew of the CD,I believe that detective work was done and outstanding royalties were paid.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

threadheadrecords.com (http://www.threadheadrecords.com/)
click on "Current Projects"

Did that... didn't see any projects that weren't there a week ago.

One is the DVD project that is under Current Projects on the THR site. The other is: we are talking with Betty Harris about working with her on her new album. That one is not ready yet, though.

Thanks, Chris.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Anymore discussion with Paul Cebar???

I'd be all over that one!

[chrisjoseph]

interestingly enough, Paul and I talked two jazzfests ago about THR and his work....he's close friends with my cousin (who used to live in NOLA) and has also been talking with her about working with us. And last week Paul emailed me about helping him.

Here's the dilemma: He's not a New Orleans artist. Which means it would not fit "our mission." Thoughts????

[i wanna be in NOLA]

True.. he's got a good following here but funding for him might be difficult a la Rick because he isn't as well known. Also, we've got plenty of projects that DO meet the mission that aren't fully funded.

dunno.... I'm torn.

[rosetree]

interestingly enough, Paul and I talked two jazzfests ago about THR and his work....he's close friends with my cousin (who used to live in NOLA) and has also been talking with her about working with us. And last week Paul emailed me about helping him.

Here's the dilemma: He's not a New Orleans artist. Which means it would not fit "our mission." Thoughts????

I know that everyone loves Betty Harris, and she recorded in New Orleans, is that what makes her a "New Orleans artist"?

[i wanna be in NOLA]

From the website...

Threadhead Records is a way for Louisiana-based musicians to continue to produce the music they crave to create and, in return, gives their fans the music they love to hear. It’s a truly wonderful partnership.

Please help us rebuild New Orleans, one song at a time.


So, I guess if this is the "mission" then Paul doesn't fit. I have no knowledge of Betty Harris or her fit into that statement.

[chrisjoseph]

Of course, I could change the mission with a few keystrokes on our website. :)

Here's info on Betty Harris:

Renowned in deep soul circles for the devastating ballad "Cry to Me," singer Betty Harris was born in Orlando, FL, in 1941 and raised primarily in Alabama. The child of preachers, her deep church roots conflicted with her desire to sing secular soul music, and at 17 she left home to pursue a performing career, briefly apprenticing under R&B star Big Maybelle before eventually landing in California, cutting the 1960 single "Taking Care of Business" for the Douglas label. Record promoter Babe Chivian recommended that Harris relocate to New York City, promising her an audition with Brill Building producer and songwriter Bert Berns -- there she performed a slow, gospel-inspired rendition of "Cry to Me," an uptempo Berns-produced hit for Chivian's client Solomon Burke.

Berns immediately dispatched Harris to the recording studio, and in just three takes she wrapped "Cry to Me," issued on Jubilee in 1963 -- after the record became a New York radio smash, it broke nationally, cracking the R&B Top Ten and the pop Top 40 in the process of surpassing Burke's original. Soon Harris headlined the legendary Apollo Theater, mounting a national tour after recording her Jubilee follow-up, "His Kiss" -- the single stiffed, however, and when "Mo Jo Hannah" met a similar fate, Berns opted to cut his losses.

During a 1965 tour, Harris met New Orleans composer and producer Allen Toussaint, and with the superbly slinky "I'm Evil Tonight" became the first artist to record for his fledgling Sansu label. With Toussaint at the helm, the bluesy balladry of Harris' Jubilee sides gave way to a funky, sensual dynamic that heralded a new era of New Orleans R&B. The 1966 ballad "Sometime" was backed by the brilliant "I Don't Want to Hear It," Toussaint's edgiest and most aggressive production to date. The subsequent "12 Red Roses" further refined the approach, and with 1967's "Nearer to You" Harris finally returned to the R&B Top 20, delivering another sublimely emotional performance.

"Love Lots of Lovin'," a duet with fellow Toussaint charge Lee Dorsey, closed out the year -- Harris planned to support the record on tour with Otis Redding, but on December 10, the soul giant lost his life in a plane crash. Harris forged on, with 1968's "Mean Man" delivering her grittiest effort to date; backed by a session group that would soon evolve into the Meters, she then ended her Sansu tenure with the fierce "Trouble with My Lover," reuniting with Toussaint for one final collaboration, the 1969 funk cult classic "There's a Break in the Road" (licensed to the SSS International label).

With her career at an impasse, Harris abruptly retired from performing in 1970. From there her legend grew, and rumors spread that she served as James Carr's road manager and even drove a tractor-trailer to make ends meet. In reality, Harris simply focused on raising her family, and while she shunned the music industry she continued singing in her church choir -- after settling in Hartford, CT, in 1997, she even began offering vocal lessons. Still, Harris remained oblivious to the growing awe afforded her '60s output by soul aficionados, respect generated largely by the U.K. release of the Soul Perfection Plus retrospective.

Then in 2001, her daughter found several Betty Harris fan sites on the Web, prompting the singer to join a soul mailing list to announce her present whereabouts -- her re-emergence caused a stir in deep soul circles, and soon Boston-based guitarist and producer Chris Stovall Brown offered to helm Harris' first recording session in 35 years. On April 17, 2005, she also headlined her first live appearance in over three decades, performing at a benefit for her daughter's Hartford alma mater; weeks later, Harris also performed at New Orleans' annual Ponderosa Stomp. In 2007 she released what was, amazingly, her first real studio album, the Jon Tiven-produced Intuition.

[jonnygospeltent]

interestingly enough, Paul and I talked two jazzfests ago about THR and his work....he's close friends with my cousin (who used to live in NOLA) and has also been talking with her about working with us. And last week Paul emailed me about helping him.

Here's the dilemma: He's not a New Orleans artist. Which means it would not fit "our mission." Thoughts????

I think Paul's music fits the spirit of New Orleans as well as anyone.Seeing him 20 years ago was my gateway into all this stuff.

[Lit]

I'd love to see us be involved in a project with Paul Cebar. I associate him closely with Fest and New Orleans because I saw him down there all the time when I started attending Fest in '95. We could never understand how he could not score a spot at Fest when he was killing it around town at night. Some especially memorable nights at Cafe Brazil. His music definitely has roots in New Orleans moreso than many Fest artists.

I know many of our THR artists are not Louisiana-born, and some have even taken up residence in other towns and other countries in recent years before relocating to the area.

I would support making whatever modifications we would need to make to our mission in order to have it include helping someone like Paul publish more of his music. He would still abide by the same rules of giving back to the causes we support, and he would be furthering the goal of getting more of the music we love out there. If we need to shore up the New Orleans connection, how about a collaboration with another local artist? There are a few that jump to my mind as very good matches with Paul, but I'll save that for another conversation if/when we move this idea further along.

[mwgirlonherown]

I think Paul's music fits the spirit of New Orleans as well as anyone.Seeing him 20 years ago was my gateway into all this stuff.

Jonny to the rescue. I just composed a comment and refreshed because I thought it wasn't strong enough. I feel braver now that I know the GT is in the room!

True, he is not a "New Orleanian" however Paul has supported of New Orleans music and culture over the years. His music shares many of the same influences; Caribbean, gospel, roots, R&B/soul.

One other thing, I wasn't familiar with Rick Trolsen until Threadhead Record Day after fess this past year. I bought the cd and it is currently one of favorites (and I've played the heck out of it here). I had a chance to pony up for his project just yesterday and was pleased to do so.

I am torn tho about Paul C's project taking resources from New Orleanian artists.

[Lit]

True.. he's got a good following here but funding for him might be difficult a la Rick because he isn't as well known. Also, we've got plenty of projects that DO meet the mission that aren't fully funded.

dunno.... I'm torn.


I don't think that funding a project with Paul Cebar would face those same difficulties that were experienced with Rick's project. I know Rick is also very worthy, but I believe that Paul is probably better known both in New Orleans and nationally, at least among the demographic from which we would expect to get funding.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Like I said... I'd be all over it if it was offered as a project. I'm torn only on the THR mission, as chris put it. If we're focused on rebuilding New Orleans and helping Louisiana based musicians then Paul might meet the spirit, but not the letter, of that mission.

[Lit]

Like I said... I'd be all over it if it was offered as a project. I'm torn only on the THR mission, as chris put it. If we're focused on rebuilding New Orleans and helping Louisiana based musicians then Paul might meet the spirit, but not the letter, of that mission.

I'm a spirit over letter guy, at least when it comes to something like this. Especially when we are the ones who can adjust the letters to fit the spirit. But I do understand the point and think reasonable minds can (and may) differ about it.

[Staxsun]

I love Betty Harris, too, but even when she was recording in New Orleans, she didn't live there. In fact, she has never resided in Louisiana to my knowledge.

[Frosty]

Paul Cebar & The Milwaukeeans does not sound very New Orleanian to me. I'd throw out Sonia Dada or Funkadesi for other Chicago based groups that embody the spirit of New Orleans through their musical gumbo. However, I truly feel this should be for the artists struggling to make their home and art in today's New Orleans. There are many worthy artists with far less exposure than Paul Cebar who just need a break in New Orleans.

[Lit]

Paul Cebar & The Milwaukeeans does not sound very New Orleanian to me. I'd throw out Sonia Dada or Funkadesi for other Chicago based groups that embody the spirit of New Orleans through their musical gumbo. However, I truly feel this should be for the artists struggling to make their home and art in today's New Orleans. There are many worthy artists with far less exposure than Paul Cebar who just need a break in New Orleans.


FWIW, I believe his most recent band is Paul Cebar and Tomorrow Sound, not The Milwaukeeans.

Perhaps Sonia Dada or Funkadesi have played in New Orleans often and I have just never noticed; I do know that Paul Cebar used to stay there for the Fest weeks and perform regular gigs all over town.

In any event, I can see that this issue is going to stir some strong reactions from some, so it's probably not worth fighting the fight and alienating folks.

By this standard I guess that would mean that a Betty Harris project is also a non-starter.

[Delta]

If the mission is stretched or re-written for one artist, will it be stretched or re-written for any other artist?

[Lit]

If the mission is stretched or re-written for one artist, will it be stretched or re-written for any other artist?

Well it sounds like it was already headed there for Betty Harris.

[Delta]

Well it sounds like it was already headed there for Betty Harris.

Yes it does, although that isn't a done deal. I guess it's a good thing this came up before it was finalized since there seems to be 2 schools of thought on it.

And it's nice to hear an attorney come down on the side of "spirit" too. All too often they come down on the side of "letter."

[Frosty]

FWIW, I believe his most recent band is Paul Cebar and Tomorrow Sound, not The Milwaukeeans.

Perhaps Sonia Dada or Funkadesi have played in New Orleans often and I have just never noticed; I do know that Paul Cebar used to stay there for the Fest weeks and perform regular gigs all over town.

In any event, I can see that this issue is going to stir some strong reactions from some, so it's probably not worth fighting the fight and alienating folks.

By this standard I guess that would mean that a Betty Harris project is also a non-starter.

I know his backing band now has a different name but it doesn't change the fact he is a Midwestern artist, and a very fine one indeed. It's not just that though, but also, has Paul Cebar struggled to rebuild his home or lost gigs due to the destruction or closing of the venues where he plays weekly to support himself? Is he unheard of outside of New Orleans and needs financial help to record so his music can be spread? It is not the letter of the law I bring to question but the spirit of the mission?

On that note, the ultimate form of Democracy lies in the $$$. If people support it, the project will fund. If not, it won't. Do I feel strongly against changing the spirit of the mission, yes and no. Yes in that it will be an afront to those in New Orleans seeking the same assistance while struggling with hardships Paul Cebar does not have to endure, and no, in that this has been a wonderful project that has helped many fine artists to let their voices be heard.

This isn't my baby to make the determination as to which direction we want to go. And the good that has been done will remain, no longer which direction TH decides to go. Nothing will take that away. Ultimately, a shift to non-New Orleans related, better established musicians will result in a ho-hum reaction from me, and not a strong one.

[Lit]

As much as I'd like to see projects with both Betty Harris and Paul Cebar happen, I don't think it's worth the trouble it's sure to cause because of the differing views on the issue.

So...I'm moving on, and I'm going to recommend an act that I think merits consideration for a future THR project: Schatzy.

http://schatzymusic.com/

Saw them at Fest this year and loved them. Picked up their Unraveling disc and it is great. I would like to hear more from them, and I would expect that a project might include such other locals as Jeremy Daveport, and other THR artists like Alex McMurray and Marc Stone, all of whom have been collaborators with frontman/founder Greg Schatz at one time or another.

[Frosty]

As much as I'd like to see projects with both Betty Harris and Paul Cebar happen, I don't think it's worth the trouble it's sure to cause because of the differing views on the issue.

So...I'm moving on, and I'm going to recommend an act that I think merits consideration for a future THR project: Schatzy.

http://schatzymusic.com/

Saw them at Fest this year and loved them. Picked up their Unraveling disc and it is great. I would like to hear more from them, and I would expect that a project might include such other locals as Jeremy Daveport, and other THR artists like Alex McMurray and Marc Stone, all of whom have been collaborators with frontman/founder Greg Schatz at one time or another.

Opinions are good as long as we realize we don't always get things exactly how we want them. The great thing with this giving model is we choose which projects to support.

[funkkjunkie]

I stand, or maybe I should say dance, with the group that wants to keep our focus on musicians living in and around New Orleans. I like Betty Harris and love Paul Cebar but imo they don't fit the mission. Have you heard from 101 runners?

[Frosty]

I stand, or maybe I should say dance, with the group that wants to keep our focus on musicians living in and around New Orleans. I like Betty Harris and love Paul Cebar but imo they don't fit the mission. Have you heard from 101 runners?

I know Russell Batiste, Jr. wants to put together an album and even has some guys lined up. Don't know if a conversation has been had with him. I'm sure there are artists we suggest as well who also might not want to agree to our terms.

[Lit]

Opinions are good as long as we realize we don't always get things exactly how we want them. The great thing with this giving model is we choose which projects to support.

Didn't mean to put another burr under your saddle, guy. Just suggesting another act that fits both the spirit and letter of the THR mission--at least as my caveman mind understands it.

In any event, I never meant to suggest that I didn't realize at all times--here and everywhere else in life--that I don't always get things exactly how I want them. Nor did I suggest that I ever expected otherwise here. I learned that lesson a long time ago, and have been reminded of it often. Life has a way of doing that. But thanks for the refresher.... Should we cue the Stones' song now?

[Frosty]

Didn't mean to put another burr under your saddle, guy. Just suggesting another act that fits both the spirit and letter of the THR mission--at least as my caveman mind understands it.

In any event, I never meant to suggest that I didn't realize at all times--here and everywhere else in life--that I don't always get things exactly how I want them. Nor did I suggest that I ever expected otherwise here. I learned that lesson a long time ago, and have been reminded of it often. Life has a way of doing that. But thanks for the refresher.... Should we cue the Stones' song now?

Ouch, I had to reread my post after reading yours to understand how my words came across. Those weren't words meant for you but more for myself. The collective "we" was more of a national comment as well. But, what I was really trying to say is that if things aren't exactly how I want them, I won't get upset. The "we" was directed to how we all need to learn that on a national basis, no matter which side of the political spectrum we are on.

[NYMAMA]

I stand, or maybe I should say dance, with the group that wants to keep our focus on musicians living in and around New Orleans. I like Betty Harris and love Paul Cebar but imo they don't fit the mission. Have you heard from 101 runners?

You took the words right out of my mouth. I agree with you.

[swag]

Of course, I could change the mission with a few keystrokes on our website. :)



Yes, but the incorporation and 501(c)3 papers have already been filed, right? What was the stated mission on those? Be careful about using any nonprofit monies for purposes outside the mission, to avoid jeopardizing the nonprofit status. (Disclosure: IANAL)

[chrisjoseph]

Two different companies....THR Inc. loans money (all of our projects to date have been THR, Inc.) THR Foundation, which is expecting its 501c3 notice from the IRS any day now, will give grants (not loans). Once we get the 501c3 from the IRS, I'll be posting much more info about it. At any rate, when we're talking loans, we're talking Threadhead Records, Inc. not the Foundation.

[chrisjoseph]

THR, Inc. is actually not a non-profit company (and those words have been taken off of our website). It is a fan-funded and volunteer run organization which returns all contributions to its investors. But, legally, it is a for-profit company. If only. It has never made a dime of profit.

[glinda]

I stand, or maybe I should say dance, with the group that wants to keep our focus on musicians living in and around New Orleans. I like Betty Harris and love Paul Cebar but imo they don't fit the mission. Have you heard from 101 runners?

Me three.... Rebuilding New Orleans one song at a time.

[stlbarb]

Me three.... Rebuilding New Orleans one song at a time.

THR catch phrase?
at least a button.

[chrisjoseph]

By the way: I don't know that there is a "right answer" as to who we support and who we don't. For me, it's got to be some kind of past and/or present connection with New Orleans, and to make sure they are recording their project in New Orleans (so as to "spend Louisiana" as the state calls it). Now, I fully admit that "past or present connection" is in the eyes of the beholder....but I think Betty Harris would qualify. Paul Cebar might (or might not), but if he wasn't willing to record his album in New Orleans, then I don't think he should be considered.

Other considerations: whether we think we can raise the $$ for a particular artist, and the artist's ability to pay back the funds.

By the way, we have created a new page on the THR website, which (I hope) explains more about "our process" (some of the conditions are new and/or modified from how we've operated in the past). See:

http://www.threadheadrecords.com/howitworks.htm

[Belle]

THR catch phrase?
at least a button.

Wasn't Paul Sanchez the first to it on this phrase? It is perfect.

[chrisjoseph]

yep, we've been using that phrase for about two years.

[ohio]

I guess that's Glinda's point...the phrase kinda presupposes that we only deal with artists who live & work in Nola.

[chrisjoseph]

As I said, it's a tough call. If Betty Harris (who does have strong ties to New Orleans) spends $15,000 in New Orleans, using a New Orleans studio, producer, mixer, New Orleans musicians, etc. isn't that helping Rebuild New Orleans One Song at a Time?

[ohio]

Indeed it is. An emotionally charged issue at times.

[chrisjoseph]

Not to mention the hundreds of dollars that would be spent at LMF from THeads and others who would buy the CD....

[Lit]

I agree that there is no right answer, and reasonable minds will differ on what projects fulfill our mission. IMO any attempt to draw a bright line will only lead to more problems, not less. As but one example, if we say we are limiting ourselves to artists who live and work in NOLA, is there a minimum requirement in terms of the time they have been living there, how much of their work is done there, and how long they are required to remain there after receiving the loan? Paul moved away after the Thing and apparently planned to live elsewhere permanently, and then moved back. I believe Alex was living overseas and then in NYC (or vice versa, I can't remember which) before moving back again recently.

Situations change. Opportunities present themselves. IMO THR should be used to expand possibilities, not limit them. If a THR artist moves away shortly after receiving a loan because of life circumstances, will that be considered a breach of the trust with THR because s/he is no longer part of the New Orleans community? As long as the work is recorded in Louisiana and the 10% is used for our charitable purposes like NOMC, SIV and THR Foundation, I think we are furthering the mission of "rebuilding New Orleans, one song at a time."

Yes, there also needs to be a legitimate connection between the artist and New Orleans, but as Chris noted that is often going to be in the eyes of the beholder. Obviously the Dave Matthews Band wouldn't qualify despite recording locally and residing there while doing so. A project needs to pass the "smell test," and we each have different noses. I think it's worth discussing the projects being considered here, in the forum from which THR began, and letting the opinions expressed help guide the judgment and discretion of those on the THR board, who then decide which projects to pursue and present for funding. As has been noted, the ultimate democracy here is everyone's ability to choose which projects to fund. That's a great governor on the process, and that's why the board members would be wise to take into consideration the opinions expressed among the likely sources of funding when deciding which projects to pursue.

[Delta]

Under the theory that recording in NOLA brings in money to the area, wouldn't that mean anyone who records there, no matter who they are, would qualify for consideration? If recording in NOLA is a requirement, does that exclude NOLA artists who are still relocated to another area and not yet able to return home?

I'm not familiar with Betty Harris so have no idea what her strong ties to NOLA are other than her recording there 40 years ago. When people who are familiar with her hear her name, do they automatically associate her with New Orleans?

Maybe I'm off in left field, but it seems to me that a "New Orleans artist" would be one who could be heard live around New Orleans on a fairly regular basis.

[Frosty]

I agree that there is no right answer, and reasonable minds will differ on what projects fulfill our mission. IMO any attempt to draw a bright line will only lead to more problems, not less. As but one example, if we say we are limiting ourselves to artists who live and work in NOLA, is there a minimum requirement in terms of the time they have been living there, how much of their work is done there, and how long they are required to remain there after receiving the loan? Paul moved away after the Thing and apparently planned to live elsewhere permanently, and then moved back. I believe Alex was living overseas and then in NYC (or vice versa, I can't remember which) before moving back again recently.

Situations change. Opportunities present themselves. IMO THR should be used to expand possibilities, not limit them. If a THR artist moves away shortly after receiving a loan because of life circumstances, will that be considered a breach of the trust with THR because s/he is no longer part of the New Orleans community? As long as the work is recorded in Louisiana and the 10% is used for our charitable purposes like NOMC, SIV and THR Foundation, I think we are furthering the mission of "rebuilding New Orleans, one song at a time."

Yes, there also needs to be a legitimate connection between the artist and New Orleans, but as Chris noted that is often going to be in the eyes of the beholder. Obviously the Dave Matthews Band wouldn't qualify despite recording locally and residing there while doing so. A project needs to pass the "smell test," and we each have different noses. I think it's worth discussing the projects being considered here, in the forum from which THR began, and letting the opinions expressed help guide the judgment and discretion of those on the THR board, who then decide which projects to pursue and present for funding. As has been noted, the ultimate democracy here is everyone's ability to choose which projects to fund. That's a great governor on the process, and that's why the board members would be wise to take into consideration the opinions expressed among the likely sources of funding when deciding which projects to pursue.

Very well put. I agree that each andevery artist presents a different situation and will present different opinions. Open discussion is good. And please accept my apology for how my words came across yesterday. I had to reread my post to see what I was trying to say was far from what the words conveyed. In no way was I telling YOU to be a big boy and accept not getting your way. I was speaking to my understanding that I won't always get my way.

[Delta]

And by the way Lit, I'm glad you changed your mind about discussing this on the board. Your thoughts on the issue are very well presented.

[Frosty]

Under the theory that recording in NOLA brings in money to the area, wouldn't that mean anyone who records there, no matter who they are, would qualify for consideration? If recording in NOLA is a requirement, does that exclude NOLA artists who are still relocated to another area and not yet able to return home?

I'm not familiar with Betty Harris so have no idea what her strong ties to NOLA are other than her recording there 40 years ago. When people who are familiar with her hear her name, do they automatically associate her with New Orleans?

Maybe I'm off in left field, but it seems to me that a "New Orleans artist" would be one who could be heard live around New Orleans on a fairly regular basis.

That was my opinion. One that not only is living there now, but playing there to survive now. One that relies on weekly gigs at local clubs to make a living.

[chrisjoseph]

it gets complicated. As I said, it's case by case. Everyone will have different opinions. Which has already occurred. Some projects we've done have had much more support than others. We go forward, we pick our artists, and we learn from our successes and mistakes.

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Hey, chris... still pondering rollover options here.

I saw where someone said they recently donated to Rick. I also recall that the open period to fund his project was wrapping up in September. Where is he on funding and is today the last day to donate? The artist project button for his project is still active.

Thanks!

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Not to mention the hundreds of dollars that would be spent at LMF from THeads and others who would buy the CD....

Even more so if you could book her into THMonday or the City Park event.

[glinda]

Hmmm..... this is reminding me of the conversations about who "qualifies" to be on the schedule of the "New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival." No right answer, different perspectives. So far, haven't all the artist projects been chosen by Chris, then funding comes in (or not so much)? It's worked well to date, altho I imagine the requests will only keep growing, and the funds not necessarily as quickly.

[Lit]

Hmmm..... this is reminding me of the conversations about who "qualifies" to be on the schedule of the "New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival." No right answer, different perspectives.

That is also a worthy discussion imo. Although I would expect our opinions to have far less impact (if any) on the ultimate decisions there.

[Marc Stone]

Hi everyone,

This puts me in a tough position here, since I recommended Betty (and would be heavily involved in any project with her) but am also a THR artist who's support for my album was based much more on that fact that people were aware that I was living and working in New Orleans more than any great familiarity with my music.

I totally understand the feelings of people who want to keep funds focused on artists living and working in New Orleans, I know that's why you guys have supported my project (nearly finished, thank god! cut the last beds yesterday and will be tracking overdubs with lots of cool people, including other THR artists this week and next). I know that supporting New Orleans based musicians first and foremost is what THR does.

Let me try to clarify the Betty situation.

Bringing Betty to THR never even crossed my mind until someone on the bored suggested a Betty @ the Old Point CD a while back. Once Betty made it clear to me that she wanted to work in New Orleans for her next CD because of the connection she feels with the city and how much she enjoys working with NO musicians, I told her about THR and brought the idea to Chris.

Betty never lived in New Orleans, and only worked here recording for Allen Toussaint and Marshall Sehorn's Sansu label, for which she cut 20 sides which have come to be regarded as classics of New Orleans R&B and Funk.
Soul music aficionados have always associated her with New Orleans, but in fact her deeper personal association with the city did not begin until after Katrina. As a result of her association with NO, Mohair Slim (the Aussie DJ in this thread) asked her to come to Australia after Katrina and play a benefit for NOMC (I'm pretty sure, maybe other NOLA charities as well) that raised over $30,000 for Katrina victims. She still works regularly with Slim.

Over the years since Betty's return she has worked with a lot of different bands from around the world, and after a lot of consideration she decided that she wanted to do the first "real" Betty Harris album in New Orleans (her Evidence Records release "Intuition" was completely devised and executed by the producer before Betty ever set foot in the studio, it is NOT what anyone familiar with her and her music would recognize as being in the spirit of what she is about). She wants her new CD, as Chris pointed out, to be a New Orleans project from the ground up. She also wants to donate her time and talents to the causes THR supports and has already talked to Chris and I about coming down during JF to do benefits for the NOMC. Because she has a certain international legend status amongst serious soul fans who do associate her with NO, she also has the potential to draw a lot of new donors toward THR.

So no, Betty Harris is not from New Orleans and never lived here. She is a recognized part of New Orleans musical history and has made it a point to establish a connection with the city and has come down here more than once to play gigs where I know money was not the motivation so much as just playing here and being involved in music down here. If she does a THR record, the money from THR will be spent in the NO community to continue an already established part of the city's musical legacy.

Betty is the real deal when it comes to the type of music that many of us love, one of the originators. I hope she gets to make the album that she is planning and gets to record all of her originals, which despite being stronger than most of the material on her last record were rejected by her producer.

Regardless of what you guys decide about the parameters of THR's mission, I am very proud to be associated with the label and I love what you guys do.

Marc

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Thanks, Marc.

That sounds like "spirit" to me :)

[Lit]

Bringing Betty to THR never even crossed my mind until someone on the bored suggested a Betty @ the Old Point CD a while back.


Guilty.

[Frosty]

Hi everyone,

This puts me in a tough position here, since I recommended Betty (and would be heavily involved in any project with her) but am also a THR artist who's support for my album was based much more on that fact that people were aware that I was living and working in New Orleans more than any great familiarity with my music.

I totally understand the feelings of people who want to keep funds focused on artists living and working in New Orleans, I know that's why you guys have supported my project (nearly finished, thank god! cut the last beds yesterday and will be tracking overdubs with lots of cool people, including other THR artists this week and next). I know that supporting New Orleans based musicians first and foremost is what THR does.

Let me try to clarify the Betty situation.

Bringing Betty to THR never even crossed my mind until someone on the bored suggested a Betty @ the Old Point CD a while back. Once Betty made it clear to me that she wanted to work in New Orleans for her next CD because of the connection she feels with the city and how much she enjoys working with NO musicians, I told her about THR and brought the idea to Chris.

Betty never lived in New Orleans, and only worked here recording for Allen Toussaint and Marshall Sehorn's Sansu label, for which she cut 20 sides which have come to be regarded as classics of New Orleans R&B and Funk.
Soul music aficionados have always associated her with New Orleans, but in fact her deeper personal association with the city did not begin until after Katrina. As a result of her association with NO, Mohair Slim (the Aussie DJ in this thread) asked her to come to Australia after Katrina and play a benefit for NOMC (I'm pretty sure, maybe other NOLA charities as well) that raised over $30,000 for Katrina victims. She still works regularly with Slim.

Over the years since Betty's return she has worked with a lot of different bands from around the world, and after a lot of consideration she decided that she wanted to do the first "real" Betty Harris album in New Orleans (her Evidence Records release "Intuition" was completely devised and executed by the producer before Betty ever set foot in the studio, it is NOT what anyone familiar with her and her music would recognize as being in the spirit of what she is about). She wants her new CD, as Chris pointed out, to be a New Orleans project from the ground up. She also wants to donate her time and talents to the causes THR supports and has already talked to Chris and I about coming down during JF to do benefits for the NOMC. Because she has a certain international legend status amongst serious soul fans who do associate her with NO, she also has the potential to draw a lot of new donors toward THR.

So no, Betty Harris is not from New Orleans and never lived here. She is a recognized part of New Orleans musical history and has made it a point to establish a connection with the city and has come down here more than once to play gigs where I know money was not the motivation so much as just playing here and being involved in music down here. If she does a THR record, the money from THR will be spent in the NO community to continue an already established part of the city's musical legacy.

Betty is the real deal when it comes to the type of music that many of us love, one of the originators. I hope she gets to make the album that she is planning and gets to record all of her originals, which despite being stronger than most of the material on her last record were rejected by her producer.

Regardless of what you guys decide about the parameters of THR's mission, I am very proud to be associated with the label and I love what you guys do.

Marc

Thanks Marc. It's hard to define spirit but I know it when I see it.

[Chas_P]

After reading Marc's post and then reading this link it seems to me that she certainly should be taken for consideration and is worthy of a project.

http://funky16corners.tripod.com/5_betty_harris_1.htm

If I hadn't just rolled some funds over into the Christams CD project I would have definitely saved it for this if it becomes an actual project.

[Delta]

Thanks Marc. That answered my original question about Betty beautifully.

[Belle]

Keeping it simple and flexible seems best...we are a loose group anyway.

So far so great with THR..

[Lit]

Thanks Marc. It's hard to define spirit but I know it when I see it.

I was going to invoke the now-defunct Potter Stewart obscenity test myself yesterday; but then I remembered that the last time I did that was the soul test I tried to apply to Bon Jovi, and that didn't go over too swimmingly. So I decided to use "smell test" instead.

BTW, no worries about our exchange yesterday. Thanks for clearing up your intent, and sorry I mistook it for an attempt to lecture me. Part of the problem with this mode of communication--especially for those of us, like me, who are ardent non-users of emoticons--is that context can easily be lost. It has happened to me more than a few times, mostly due to my frequent (over)use of sarcasm.

Keeping it simple and flexible seems best...we are a loose group anyway.

Loose Threads?

[Frosty]

I was going to invoke the now-defunct Potter Stewart obscenity test myself yesterday; but then I remembered that the last time I did that was the soul test I tried to apply to Bon Jovi, and that didn't go over too swimmingly. So I decided to use "smell test" instead.

BTW, no worries about our exchange yesterday. Thanks for clearing up your intent, and sorry I mistook it for an attempt to lecture me. Part of the problem with this mode of communication--especially for those of us, like me, who are ardent non-users of emoticons--is that context can easily be lost. It has happened to me more than a few times, mostly due to my frequent (over)use of sarcasm.



Loose Threads?

I'm not sure if The Loose Threads can be considered a New Orleans group. :):):)!!!HAHAHA!

[Lit]

I'm not sure if The Loose Threads can be considered a New Orleans group. :):):)!!!HAHAHA!

Of course not. It's the splinter group for the funding of projects that are only loosely, but not strictly, related to the mission.

[Frosty]

Of course not. It's the splinter group for the funding of projects that are only loosely, but not strictly, related to the mission.

The Loose Marbles may qualify though!

[Delta]

The Loose Marbles may qualify though!

On first read, I thought that said Loose Morals.

[Frosty]

On first read, I thought that said Loose Morals.

Have Moose been known to rest on their lorals?

[Rossvegas]

I don't know if this helps - and I'm certainly not advocating it as the "catch all" system to identify a THR project - but we had/have a system up here in Canada that might apply. They are known as the CANCON regulations, and they determine whether or not an artist is considered "Canadian" or not in terms of airplay requirements.

Very simply, back in the day, the government decided that they needed to find a way to promote Canadian artists so they mandated that the radio stations would be required to play a minimum amount of Canadian content. In order to determine your "CANCON points", you had to know just how much of the project was actually Canadian. I could be wrong, but I believe that you received one point each for:

Canadian Songwriter
Canadian Performer
Canadian Studio
Canadian Producer

This system is/was somewhat controversial because some people in the US music business perceived it as a "quota" and subsequently wouldn't take Canadian artists (or their sales up here) seriously because they believed that the market was falsely created. Others tout it as the foundation of the entire industry, and a very necessary part of our evolution...they're both right.

One of the most unusual/controversial cases involved Bryan Adams who recorded an album with Mutt Lange. Since the studio and producer were non-Canadian, and since Bryan is technically signed to the US division of the record company, the Canadian Radio and Television Commission (CRTC) were forced to state that Bryan wasn't Canadian. That didn't go over well...

Anyway, some type of "NOLACON" system might be a good, non-emotional way to evaluate whether or not a project is THR-worthy or not.

[Festngator]

If enough people support a project then it should be a THR project. Everyone has a voice and a right to say they are not interested if they want to

[CEfromLA]

If enough people support a project then it should be a THR project. Everyone has a voice and a right to say they are not interested if they want to

No money=no THR project
money=THR project

Doesn't get much simpler than that.....

[Chas_P]

If enough people support a project then it should be a THR project. Everyone has a voice and a right to say they are not interested if they want to

This would work for now I think because of the core group and the realization of what the original intent was/is. As pointed out by Marc though, the Harris project could bring in more supporters that are not affiliated with the intent of what we are trying to accomplish. Over time, we may find ourselves outnumbered and before we know it, we could be funding a Bon Jovi CD. :rolleyes:

While not wanting to have this "controlled" by a select committee, we have to be aware of what success and the future could bring. But for a current harris project, I vote Aye.

Oh that's right, Talk Like a Pirate day has passed.

[chrisjoseph]

If enough people support a project then it should be a THR project. Everyone has a voice and a right to say they are not interested if they want to

Totally agree. And that's how it's been done in the past. And as we grow, and with experience, we are getting a better feel for what is feasible, and what isn't. The Betty Harris project (and I should emphasize, this is not a done deal), would be great. First, she'll put out a fine album. Second, we will get paid back. Third, if it gets picked up or licensed, THR and the THR Foundation will get some money that we can plow back into the coffers. Fourth, she will spread the gospel of THR. She gets what we're doing.

[ozzie]

Who would know better than we Threadheads that you don't need to live or work in New Orleans to love, care for, foster and be a part of New Orleans.

[chrisjoseph]

Who would know better than we Threadheads that you don't need to live or work in New Orleans to love, care for, foster and be a part of New Orleans.

Well said.

[Festngator]

By the way I am in line for the Betty Harris project

[Lit]

By the way I am in line for the Betty Harris project

Now you need to work on getting a "Betty Harris Live at the Old Point" record out there...

After instigating it with that post I guess I am too. At least now I know what I'm going to do with my rollover money from the other projects...

[barry10016]

Who would know better than we Threadheads that you don't need to live or work in New Orleans to love, care for, foster and be a part of New Orleans.

What Oz said. :D

[funkkjunkie]

Touche, ozzie. :D

[ozzie]

Hey Funkky, have you seen this photographer's work... Christopher Porche West. Beautiful Indians!

[Festngator]

http://www.porche-west.com/

[funkkjunkie]

yes. Beautiful stuff. Is it his work that's in Snug?

[saturn]

Who would know better than we Threadheads that you don't need to live or work in New Orleans to love, care for, foster and be a part of New Orleans.


Perfectly stated, Ozzie. :D

[Carolina Beadhead]

As Chris already knows, I have a problem with not adhering to "truth in advertising". Could this be solved not changing our mission but by creating a category for special projects that involve predominately NO musicians, etc. and explaining why they qualify??

[Lit]

As Chris already knows, I have a problem with not adhering to "truth in advertising". Could this be solved not changing our mission but by creating a category for special projects that involve predominately NO musicians, etc. and explaining why they qualify??

This is directly from the THR website:

Our mission is to help New Orleans musicians who were victims of the flooding that occurred from the failed levees, which took place in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. To this day, most of the musicians in New Orleans are still attempting to rebuild their lives.
Each CD project is funded by the fans themselves through THR; the money is loaned to the artist and is paid back by the musicians within six months of the CD's release to the public. Loan recipients also agree to pay back an additional 10 percent charitable return to the Threadhead Records Foundation, New Orleans Musicians Clinic, or other similar charities benefitting New Orleans musicians.

As long as the 10 percent charitable return still goes to charities benefitting New Orleans musicians, I don't see how it causes any problem with adherence to "truth in advertising." I didn't find the "Lousiana-based" language in a quick scan of the site, so I don't know where it appears or in what context. If that's an issue, perhaps it can be changed to make clear that it is Louisiana-based recordings.

[chrisjoseph]

There are many ways to help musicians....with Betty, she will be hiring New Orleans musicians to play with her on her CD.

[chrisjoseph]

And her 10 percent will go to charities benefitting New Orleans musicians.

[chrisjoseph]

Ultimately, you all decide what qualifies by deciding whether or not to fund it.

[Frosty]

Getting off the current discussion. How about a Deacon John/Wanda Rouzan or just a Deacon John CD? His Jump Blues CD from a few years back is fantastic. Maybe we could even do a full fledged New Orleans All-Star R&B Revue CD?

[CEfromLA]

Who would know better than we Threadheads that you don't need to live or work in New Orleans to love, care for, foster and be a part of New Orleans.

AMEN!

[ohio]

Getting off the current discussion. How about a Deacon John/Wanda Rouzan or just a Deacon John CD? His Jump Blues CD from a few years back is fantastic. Maybe we could even do a full fledged New Orleans All-Star R&B Revue CD?
I'd donate to that!

[chrisjoseph]

From Paul, on the recording sessions for the Holiday CD:

The record is going to knock your socks off, people are going to love this record. It isn't only a cool holiday record. This is a great New Orleans music record. it's The Rolling Road Show/Threadhead roster in one package, playing together and creating something unique and wonderful.
P.S.

[MaloGator]

From Paul, on the recording sessions for the Holiday CD:

The record is going to knock your socks off, people are going to love this record. It isn't only a cool holiday record. This is a great New Orleans music record. it's The Rolling Road Show/Threadhead roster in one package, playing together and creating something unique and wonderful.
P.S.

That is so great to hear, but we knew it would be all along.

[NYMAMA]

Getting off the current discussion. How about a Deacon John/Wanda Rouzan or just a Deacon John CD? His Jump Blues CD from a few years back is fantastic. Maybe we could even do a full fledged New Orleans All-Star R&B Revue CD?

i love Decon John and the R&B review sounds great!

[Phatpapa]

Ultimately, you all decide what qualifies by deciding whether or not to fund it.

You are so right, Chris. I am able to give my $$ to whoever I choose.

[Bluemon]

Who would know better than we Threadheads that you don't need to live or work in New Orleans to love, care for, foster and be a part of New Orleans.

I also feel those musicians that were living and working in New Orleans before Katrina, but have not returned, should not be excluded from consideration. They still play New Orleans music. Many of them still hire New Orleans musicians to play with them. I do not feel there should be a residency requirement. As long as the charitable donation goes to help New Orleans musicians, why wouldn't we try to fund as many projects and appeal to as wide a group of donors as possible? We have the opportunity to explain the artists' connection to NOLA on the current project page where we ask for donations. Each individual can then decide if the connection is close enough for them to fund the project.

[Lit]

You are so right, Chris. I am able to give my $$ to whoever I choose.

And I really do appreciate you saving your beans to support my solo a capella project PP. It's going to knock your socks off.

[MaloGator]

Ultimately, you all decide what qualifies by deciding whether or not to fund it.

It would seem that a decision should be made before it reaches "THR project" status. Once it becomes a fundable project, isn't it in our best interest to see that CD come to fruition? We wouldn't want to lose artists' faith by taking on projects that don't ultimately get funded. And, of course, each would have to have reasonable expectaion that all obligations could, and would, be fulfilled. There are many artists that recieve much TH love, but there needs to be love from others ($$) as well, in order to sell records so that the funding dollars may be reimbursed.

[Frosty]

And I really do appreciate you saving your beans to support my solo a capella project PP. It's going to knock your socks off.

I'll be sure to roll over some $$$ for you when I get repaid from the Bon Jovi Brass Band project.

[Lit]

I'll be sure to roll over some $$$ for you when I get repaid from the Bon Jovi Brass Band project.

The BJ BB rocks. We are looking to do a spoken word/brass-hop collaboration for our next project. William Shatner may join us.

[Frosty]

The BJ BB rocks. We are looking to do a spoken word/brass-hop collaboration for our next project. William Shatner may join us.

Wow, talk about a band to go where no band has gone before!

[NOLA]

It would seem that a decision should be made before it reaches "THR project" status. Once it becomes a fundable project, isn't it in our best interest to see that CD come to fruition? We wouldn't want to lose artists' faith by taking on projects that don't ultimately get funded. And, of course, each would have to have reasonable expectaion that all obligations could, and would, be fulfilled. There are many artists that recieve much TH love, but there needs to be love from others ($$) as well, in order to sell records so that the funding dollars may be reimbursed.

That's a very good point, Malo. Maybe THR could poll the top [20? 50?] lenders to THR projects for their reaction to a proposed project before it goes live. I guess it is the THR Board that is making those decisions now, but perhaps an indication of support (or non-support) from a broader cross-section of historical supporters would be helpful in their decision making. Everyone is ultimately entitled to vote (with their dollars) on projects that are accepted by THR, but we wouldn't want to get ourselves in a position where multiple projects are not getting the needed funding - it just wouldn't look very good.

This brings to mind another question (for Chris or the Board) that has been rattling around in my head for a while. What is the payment waterfall as money starts coming in from CD sales? I'm guessing any outstanding expenses are covered first - is THR next in line? Is the NOMC contribution paid out on a percentage basis as payments are made to THR by the artist, or is NOMC paid first, or paid last? And what happens in a case like Ingrid, where she is also soliciting donations elsewhere - does THR/THR donors get paid back first, or are we last, or somewhere in between? If we only get repaid after others are made whole, that sets up a somewhat different business proposition as I see it.

[Frosty]

That's a very good point, Malo. Maybe THR could poll the top [20? 50?] lenders to THR projects for their reaction to a proposed project before it goes live. I guess it is the THR Board that is making those decisions now, but perhaps an indication of support (or non-support) from a broader cross-section of historical supporters would be helpful in their decision making. Everyone is ultimately entitled to vote (with their dollars) on projects that are accepted by THR, but we wouldn't want to get ourselves in a position where multiple projects are not getting the needed funding - it just wouldn't look very good.



I know Chris has run ideas before us prior to announcing the project. Glen David Andrews comes to mind. I remember the post when he was under consideration and I emphatically responded, YES. Unfortunately, I could not vote as much as I wanted to with my $$$ as they were still tied up in the innaugural John Boutte CD.

I'm not even sure where my remianing $$$'s are now but I think they are in projets that are still underfunded. I'll need them back for the aforementioned Bon Jovi Brass Band project.

[NOLA]

I know Chris has run ideas before us prior to announcing the project. Glen David Andrews comes to mind. I remember the post when he was under consideration and I emphatically responded, YES. Unfortunately, I could not vote as much as I wanted to with my $$$ as they were still tied up in the innaugural John Boutte CD.

I was thinking of something more systematic than just throwing it out on the Bored, but you are right, Chris did solicit input that way for GDA. I was under the impression that the THR Board was making those decisions now as I don't remember seeing any threads asking for prior input on the new projects that were announced this summer...I coulda missed it, though.

I'm not even sure where my remianing $$$'s are now but I think they are in projets that are still underfunded. I'll need them back for the aforementioned Bon Jovi Brass Band project.

C'mon, folks, who else is in for the BJ BB project beside Frosty and Lit??

[Frosty]

I was thinking of something more systematic than just throwing it out on the Bored, but you are right, Chris did solicit input that way for GDA. I was under the impression that the THR Board was making those decisions now as I don't remember seeing any threads asking for prior input on the new projects that were announced this summer...I coulda missed it, though.



C'mon, folks, who else is in for the BJ BB project beside Frosty and Lit??

True, input may be more behind the scenes now. I guess those early cases pretty much set in my mind how things worked. My involvement since those two projects has been reduced. Hopefully, that will ramp back up this coming year.


C'mon people, BJBB is a great project. Bon Jovi's ties to New Orleans are well known. He had the most talked about show at last year's Jazz Fest and he did make that stripper video.

[Lit]

C'mon, folks, who else is in for the BJ BB project beside Frosty and Lit??

To be clear, there are two separate BJ BB projects under consideration. The first one, to which Frosty is referring and has committed, is more straight-ahead brass/trad jazz. The second one, which is still in the discussion phase and is not a done deal yet, is the spoken word/brass-hop collaboration between me and the BJ BB, and possibly William Shatner. Both will be recorded in New Orleans, with New Orleans musicians, to ensure a sufficient connection with the THR mission.

[Frosty]

To be clear, there are two separate BJ BB projects under consideration. The first one, to which Frosty is referring and has committed, is more straight-ahead brass/trad jazz. The second one, which is still in the discussion phase and is not a done deal yet, is the spoken word/brass-hop collaboration between me and the BJ BB, and possibly William Shatner. Both will be recorded in New Orleans, with New Orleans musicians, to ensure a sufficient connection with the THR mission.

Actually, my project is being recorded in Canada with Canadian musicians, but according to the Canadian Radio Matrix, it is considered New Orleanian.

[Lit]

Actually, my project is being recorded in Canada with Canadian musicians, but according to the Canadian Radio Matrix, it is considered New Orleanian.

Ah, my bad. Well, with Mutt Lange producing it's sure to be a hit for THR in any event.

[Frosty]

Ah, my bad. Well, with Mutt Lange producing it's sure to be a hit for THR in any event.

He even plans on adding a fiddle or two so it will sell with the country audience. The first track will be Pour Some Bourbon On Me.

[Lit]

He even plans on adding a fiddle or two so it will sell with the country audience. The first track will be Pour Some Bourbon On Me.

Pure genius that guy. That track alone just guaranteed funding from Malo, eZe and Sharonlovesfats. I bet they'll even volunteer for the video.

[festbabe]

You guys are cracking me up.

[NOLA]

You guys are cracking me up.

I bet the money is rolling in for these two projects, right Heather?

[Frosty]

You guys are cracking me up.

And I was starting to wonder if anyone else was reading this shi*!

[rosetree]

http://www.philgooch.com/forums/thread_direction.jpg;) :D

[Phatpapa]

http://www.philgooch.com/forums/thread_direction.jpg;) :D

And are you surprised, Rosie?

[Frosty]

http://www.philgooch.com/forums/thread_direction.jpg;) :D

Is that a proposed album cover?

[festbabe]

I bet the money is rolling in for these two projects, right Heather?

I've got the spreadsheets set up and am pestering the artists of the current projects to hurry up with repayments so we all have something to reinvest with. I (heart) Bon Jovi.

[ohio]

To be clear, there are two separate BJ BB projects under consideration. The first one, to which Frosty is referring and has committed, is more straight-ahead brass/trad jazz. The second one, which is still in the discussion phase and is not a done deal yet, is the spoken word/brass-hop collaboration between me and the BJ BB, and possibly William Shatner. Both will be recorded in New Orleans, with New Orleans musicians, to ensure a sufficient connection with the THR mission.
I hear Bill can get good deals on airfare & hotel.....

[Carolina Beadhead]

http://www.philgooch.com/forums/thread_direction.jpg;) :D

Or perhaps

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p308/rowdymom81/ThreadDriftcopy.png

[sharon_loves_fats]

Pure genius that guy. That track alone just guaranteed funding from Malo, eZe and Sharonlovesfats. I bet they'll even volunteer for the video.

Count me in for the video shoot. With enough bourbon I might not even mind having to listen to Bon Jovi :D

[stynger]

That's a very good point, Malo. Maybe THR could poll the top [20? 50?] lenders to THR projects for their reaction to a proposed project before it goes live. I guess it is the THR Board that is making those decisions now, but perhaps an indication of support (or non-support) from a broader cross-section of historical supporters would be helpful in their decision making. Everyone is ultimately entitled to vote (with their dollars) on projects that are accepted by THR, but we wouldn't want to get ourselves in a position where multiple projects are not getting the needed funding - it just wouldn't look very good.

This brings to mind another question (for Chris or the Board) that has been rattling around in my head for a while. What is the payment waterfall as money starts coming in from CD sales? I'm guessing any outstanding expenses are covered first - is THR next in line? Is the NOMC contribution paid out on a percentage basis as payments are made to THR by the artist, or is NOMC paid first, or paid last? And what happens in a case like Ingrid, where she is also soliciting donations elsewhere - does THR/THR donors get paid back first, or are we last, or somewhere in between? If we only get repaid after others are made whole, that sets up a somewhat different business proposition as I see it.

These are all good suggestions and questions. It would be nice to know how these things work.

[Festngator]

It would seem that a decision should be made before it reaches "THR project" status. Once it becomes a fundable project, isn't it in our best interest to see that CD come to fruition? We wouldn't want to lose artists' faith by taking on projects that don't ultimately get funded. And, of course, each would have to have reasonable expectaion that all obligations could, and would, be fulfilled. There are many artists that recieve much TH love, but there needs to be love from others ($$) as well, in order to sell records so that the funding dollars may be reimbursed.

I think ideas should be floated and if supported go on to a project

[Delta]

It would seem that a decision should be made before it reaches "THR project" status. Once it becomes a fundable project, isn't it in our best interest to see that CD come to fruition? We wouldn't want to lose artists' faith by taking on projects that don't ultimately get funded. And, of course, each would have to have reasonable expectaion that all obligations could, and would, be fulfilled. There are many artists that recieve much TH love, but there needs to be love from others ($$) as well, in order to sell records so that the funding dollars may be reimbursed.

You have nailed some of my thoughts on this issue. Very well said.

[festivalgirl]

Once a CD is funded and made, is there any requirement for the artist to actually sell it? I know that might sound silly, but projects sit on shelves all the time. The artists agree to the payback/donation arrangement but is there any time frame? Don't mean to sound harsh, but not everyone has the same sense of responsibility to repay loans in a timely matter.

[chrisjoseph]

All good questions...I'm headed out of town for work today, and have my son's birthday party Saturday....will try to address all of these by Sunday night. Thanks.

[chrisjoseph]

By the way, yesterday, the Threadhead Records Foundation received its 501c3 (tax exempt) status from the IRS....which is GREAT news!

Please keep in mind that we have TWO separate organizations (much like, say, Tipitinas)....Threadhead Records, Inc., which is which is actually a for-profit company (but has lost money, and will continue to do so in the short-term), and the Threadhead Records Foundation (which is the non-profit, tax-exempt organization).

All projects to date have been through THR, Inc. Any future projects involving loans to musicians (as we have done in the past) will continue to be run through THR, Inc. (the IRS made it very clear to us last month that they don't want THRF to be loaning money).

THRF, on the other hand, will give grants, not loans. Also, to correct a post above, THRF has a Board of Directors, not THR, Inc.

THRF will probably announce preliminary plans for its first 1-2 projects in the next month or so. THRF will also now be able to solicit donations that are tax deductible to the donor. We are also going to have to build a separate website for the Foundation.

More on all of this later this weekend....

[windowman]

By the way, yesterday, the Threadhead Records Foundation received its 501c3 (tax exempt) status from the IRS....which is GREAT news!

Please keep in mind that we have TWO separate organizations (much like, say, Tipitinas)....Threadhead Records, Inc., which is which is actually a for-profit company (but has lost money, and will continue to do so in the short-term), and the Threadhead Records Foundation (which is the non-profit, tax-exempt organization).

All projects to date have been through THR, Inc. Any future projects involving loans to musicians (as we have done in the past) will continue to be run through THR, Inc. (the IRS made it very clear to us last month that they don't want THRF to be loaning money).

THRF, on the other hand, will give grants, not loans. Also, to correct a post above, THRF has a Board of Directors, not THR, Inc.

THRF will probably announce preliminary plans for its first 1-2 projects in the next month or so. THRF will also now be able to solicit donations that are tax deductible to the donor. We are also going to have to build a separate website for the Foundation.

More on all of this later this weekend....

BIG congrats to everyone involved. This is great news!

[Frosty]

By the way, yesterday, the Threadhead Records Foundation received its 501c3 (tax exempt) status from the IRS....which is GREAT news!

Please keep in mind that we have TWO separate organizations (much like, say, Tipitinas)....Threadhead Records, Inc., which is which is actually a for-profit company (but has lost money, and will continue to do so in the short-term), and the Threadhead Records Foundation (which is the non-profit, tax-exempt organization).

All projects to date have been through THR, Inc. Any future projects involving loans to musicians (as we have done in the past) will continue to be run through THR, Inc. (the IRS made it very clear to us last month that they don't want THRF to be loaning money).

THRF, on the other hand, will give grants, not loans. Also, to correct a post above, THRF has a Board of Directors, not THR, Inc.

THRF will probably announce preliminary plans for its first 1-2 projects in the next month or so. THRF will also now be able to solicit donations that are tax deductible to the donor. We are also going to have to build a separate website for the Foundation.

More on all of this later this weekend....


Woohoo!!!

And Chris, all this discussion on how things could be, should be, blah blah blah. I love what you all have done here. I just handed out another card yesterday to another NOLAphile who was unfamiliar with our work. But not with the artists involved.

[rosetree]

This is great news in the growth of THR!
BIG Congrats!

"From small things, mama
Big things one day come"
Y'all are living that quote! :D

[chrisjoseph]

Dept. of small worlds...I am here in San Francisco...I just ran into Threadhead Ellen on the BART subway.

[Music is Art]

As the director of a music-based not for profit myself, I know that the decisions on whether to take on new projects can be a big step forward for an organization - or could be their downfall.

(And btw I know there are two different groups here technically, but I'm talking about THR.)

First and foremost, any project needs to meet the organization's vision and mission statements. It's good that we're using the THR's mission statement to discuss things, but it seems like it needs to be followed-up with some core values or details as it is subject to wide interpretation.

Some of that interpretation seems to make sense and adhere pretty closely to the core mission - a band fronted by a non-New Orlenian but one that uses all NOLA musicians, is recorded in NOLA, etc. In my opinion, some of the other interpretations are a little more shaky, especially the one that no matter who the artist is if they're donating to NOLA charities it has an impact. I know the Bon Jovi stuff is a joke, but using the above way of reading our mission statement it would actually qualify!

More than anything, I agree with the point that decisions need to be made PRIOR to the project going public and soliciting funds. Once it's a listed project, we have a vested interest in its success as we don't want to have failures along the way. Not only that, but as we seem to not want to have too many projects going at once (and we may need a discussion on how many is too many), the decision to include one project may mean another is delayed or excluded - perhaps not now, but as we get more successful and well-known it's probable.

So "my vote" would be to give top priority to artists living and working in NOLA/Louisiana, secondary priority to dispaced NOLA/Louisiana artists who agree to record in NOLA, third choice to non-New Orleanians who want to record a "NOLA album" using all NOLA musicians and recording in the city, and that's it. That's a method that can work now and also work in the future as we grow.

Of course, how they get picked after they meet those criteria is another story...

[Carolina Beadhead]

I absolutely agree with that, Music. It fits everything we've ever written, had written or said in interviews. It would be totally defendable criteria.

[chrisjoseph]

To all: ultimately, this IS the process....hearing your input/feedback, getting private emails from some of you....seeing what projects get fully-funded vs. partially funded (unfortunately, there is no way we can provide a guarantee to an artist that we will reach there funding goal, though in most (not all) cases we have......different people support different projects....some musicians are more popular with contributors than others....some choose to only contribute via buying the CD's (which is absolutely fine)....some contribute by spreading the word about the projects....some contribute their sweat to putting the website and graphics together, or doing the bookkeeping.....

but please keep in mind that this is an all volunteer effort....we lurch forward,sometimes making mistakes, but fortunately, through this kind of input, more of the time making the right decisions.

Also, I've turned down COUNTLESS projects (mostly from New Orleans-based musicians)....we can't do it all, much as I would like to. We pick and choose, we help who we can.

Believe me, your input is heard, loud and clear. For example, some of you think we should do the Betty Harris project, some don't. Ultimately, assuming she will agree to our terms (and I think she will), we're going to do it. I expect that some of you won't be happy with that (why her over someone else??). But again, this is not a perfect system, and we can't please everybody all of the time.

I love all of your support, and welcome all comments, positive and constructive criticism.

CJ

[Frosty]

To all: ultimately, this IS the process....hearing your input/feedback, getting private emails from some of you....seeing what projects get fully-funded vs. partially funded (unfortunately, there is no way we can provide a guarantee to an artist that we will reach there funding goal, though in most (not all) cases we have......different people support different projects....some musicians are more popular with contributors than others....some choose to only contribute via buying the CD's (which is absolutely fine)....some contribute by spreading the word about the projects....some contribute their sweat to putting the website and graphics together, or doing the bookkeeping.....

but please keep in mind that this is an all volunteer effort....we lurch forward,sometimes making mistakes, but fortunately, through this kind of input, more of the time making the right decisions.

Also, I've turned down COUNTLESS projects (mostly from New Orleans-based musicians)....we can't do it all, much as I would like to. We pick and choose, we help who we can.

Believe me, your input is heard, loud and clear. For example, some of you think we should do the Betty Harris project, some don't. Ultimately, assuming she will agree to our terms (and I think she will), we're going to do it. I expect that some of you won't be happy with that (why her over someone else??). But again, this is not a perfect system, and we can't please everybody all of the time.

I love all of your support, and welcome all comments, positive and constructive criticism.

CJ

Just note that despite my opinions stated before an the spirit of the mission, I think the Betty Harris CD wil be a fine addition to the Threadhead label.

I do have concerns about underfunded projects and how this is the result of overcommitting to projects and the economy. I just don't want to let musicians down who we have committed to.

[glinda]

Dept. of small worlds...I am here in San Francisco...I just ran into Threadhead Ellen on the BART subway.

Threadhead vibes - we find each other even when we're not trying.

[eZe]

Pure genius that guy. That track alone just guaranteed funding from Malo, eZe and Sharonlovesfats. I bet they'll even volunteer for the video.

Bourbon?!!! I"M IN :)

[eZe]

I'm so far behind (blame the bourbon). Great news Chris!!! Thanks to you and those who worked the widgets on this!

[funkkjunkie]

Way cool on the convergence with mymecca in san fran!

[i wanna be in NOLA]

Excellent news, chris! CONGRATS and THANKS for all the hard work.

[Orleansnj]

Okay - I've been off the board for 4 days and had to read through 11 pages on this topic.....and it was well worth the read.

I love the suggestions of Music who noted that if there is a stated criteria that fulfills both the spirit and provides the 'letter' it would be great.

I also think things have worked incredibly well - like off the charts well - for a loose organization with no formal assigned responsibilities and a group of very serious, dedicated volunteers.

Chris has picked up a lot of the slack in doing the things that don't have volunteers and actively shys away from any recognition....but he really deserves a lot of credit as does everyone else here.

My 15 cents on this is that if we create 'tiers' of support for New Orleans and they are some sort of loosely construed priorities - then we can be flexible in who we fund. Ultimately, we, as the fans, determine a project's early viability with our pledges.

I also believe, very firmly, that those who may support New Orleans the most do not necessarily have to live in New Orleans. While supporting those musicians may be our highest priority - others have made very convincing arguments that those who support rebuilding by hiring musicians, recording in New Orleans studios etc. are all part of the effort.

[Michelino]

Under the theory that recording in NOLA brings in money to the area, wouldn't that mean anyone who records there, no matter who they are, would qualify for consideration? If recording in NOLA is a requirement, does that exclude NOLA artists who are still relocated to another area and not yet able to return home?

I'm not familiar with Betty Harris so have no idea what her strong ties to NOLA are other than her recording there 40 years ago. When people who are familiar with her hear her name, do they automatically associate her with New Orleans?

Maybe I'm off in left field, but it seems to me that a "New Orleans artist" would be one who could be heard live around New Orleans on a fairly regular basis.

This makes the most sense to me...and what I understand the mission of Threadhead giving was mainly about.

[chrisjoseph]

Again, this is not black or white. What if, say, Henry Butler or Cyril Neville wanted to do a project with us? Neither lives in New Orleans anymore, and I'm guessing that Cyril only plays there 1-2 a year right now. I think looking for certainty on most of the criteria is not generally realistic.